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Are Russia and Saudi Arabia Still Pumping Too Much Oil?

Production

This year, the oil market has faced some of the worst supply disruptions in recent times and yet prices remain stuck in the $60s.

OPEC’s oil production tumbled the most in 16 years last month after the worst-ever attack on Saudi Arabia’s energy infrastructure temporarily halved its output. Earlier in the summer, Russia’s Druzhba contamination crisis forced it to make sharp output cuts and U.S. financial sanctions on Iran remain in force.

And yet, Brent crude has averaged around $66 a barrel for most of 2019, far from a price which suggests the world faces an oil shortage. As Russian energy minister Alexander Novak and his newly-appointed Saudi counterpart Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman meet on Wednesday at a conference in Moscow, the world may be wondering whether they’re still pumping too much oil.

OPEC Supply Plunges After Saudi Attack

Last month’s output loss was biggest since 2002

“Minister Novak and Prince Abdulaziz recognize they face considerable peril next year” as prices may continue their slide, said Bob McNally, president of Rapidan Energy Group. “Oil-demand growth is hitting the skids as macroeconomic, trade, and political risk drivers continue to intensify, from Brexit to impeachment through Persian Gulf conflict risk and the U.S.-China trade war,” he said.

Oil has just ended its worst quarter since late last year on demand risks, putting pressure on Saudi Arabia, which is heavily dependent on petrodollars and aims to start the initial public offering for its state crude giant Saudi Aramco this month. For Russia’s surplus-running budget, weaker oil is less of a problem yet the country will need full coffers as it plans to increase spending in the next three years to revive its sluggish economy.

Novak said on Wednesday uncertainty over global crude demand and price volatility are making it difficult to forecast how the oil market will behave this winter in the northern hemisphere.

Market Reassurance

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Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman

Photographer: Karim Sahib/AFP via Getty Images

Meeting at Russian Energy Week, both countries’ energy ministers will likely focus on reassuring the market that the Saudi attacks have left global supply unscathed. They may also advocate for continued production cuts from the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries and its allies, Joe McMonigle, Senior Energy Advisor at Hedgeye Risk Management LLC, said.

“I think they will want to plow ahead of keeping OPEC+ cuts in place and will start using concerns about the global economy and trade war to stay the course,” McMonigle said. “This gives an opportunity to provide some lift to prices, especially with the pending Aramco IPO.”

Click here to read about how Aramco is seeking investors for its IPO

To be sure, Novak and Prince Abdulaziz will be careful when outlining the future of the cuts. As history has shown, “it’s a prerogative of leaders to take such decisions on strategic partnership,” said Ildar Davletshin, London-based energy analyst at Wood & Co.

In September, Russia’s average daily oil output still exceeded its OPEC+ target even after producers made deeper cuts from a month earlier. The country pumped about 11.25 million barrels of crude and condensate last month, according to government data, meaning Russia produced 60,000 barrels a day more than its OPEC+ cap. Novak said on Wednesday that Russia was “aiming to comply” with the OPEC+ deal in October.

Not There Yet

Russia’s average output in September remained above its OPEC+ target

Source: Bloomberg calculations based on the Energy Ministry’s CDU-TEK data

Day Two of the St Petersburg International Economic Forum 2019

Alexander Novak

Photographer: Chris J. Ratcliffe/Bloomberg

It was Russian President Vladimir Putin, who announced the most recent extension to OPEC+ production cuts in late June after meeting the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman in Japan. His statement, made just two days before OPEC+ officially gathered to discuss future cooperation on output curbs, showed it was decisions made by Russia and Saudi which drove action across the whole group.

Putin is also making a keynote speech at the conference, although he’s unlikely to reveal whether Russia intends to commit to further cuts before the extension deadline, in March 2020. Putin said in June that oil at $60-$65 a barrel suits Russia “just fine.”

Whatever efforts Russia and Saudi Arabia may make this week to reassure that they can balance the oil market, they may have to redouble them by the end of the year.

“When we get to December, the outlook for 2020 will seem more oversupplied than it does today,” McNally said. By then, the question will be “less whether Moscow and Riyadh will signal unity and resolve to keep a floor under oil prices next year, but instead whether their signaling and supply policies will be sufficient to keep pace with fast-shifting fundamentals.”

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95 Comments on "Are Russia and Saudi Arabia Still Pumping Too Much Oil?"

  1. Davy on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 12:11 am 

    Just so y’all no. I’ll be back in the morning with more off topic copied and pasted zero~iq BS spam, and I mite even through in a word salid essay or too. Just cause i can; cus I’m a moron.

    stupid dumbases allof you

  2. Davy on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 12:31 am 

    Oops, sorry, I forgot.

    We want JuanP and hes ugly dumbass wife deported from my country. Thats the most important thing in the hole world wide world to me.

    Cus i’m a idiot and i don’t have a life.

    dumbasses

  3. Cloggie on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 1:17 am 

    “ ThankUPoster, Davy and Cloggie compete for the most worthless and numerous posts. Both are vying for the title of Village Idiot. I think it is a tie.”

    makati is still butthurt that I don’t share his amateuristic views regarding the potential of renewable energy and for years he has kept posting blogposts from fellow incompetents Alice Friedman and this 90 year oldtimer, whose name I have forgotten. that you can’t have an autark renewable energy base. He will find no supportfor that view from people who know what they are talking about.

    Both davy and makati desperately keep struggling to keep their superfluous 2010 peak oil collapse world view alive, where NW-European countries are showing the way forward. America rose with oil, it will come down with it.

    No worries, they both get their desired collapse allright, but it won’t be peak oil-based, but the immanent collapse of empire, world-wide. The death of globalism is immanent, globalism of which this Brexit farce is a last spasm.

  4. makati1 on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 2:09 am 

    Cloggie, I’m much more into the real world than you can ever be. You project your personality on others and act as if they care, just like Davy.

    BTW: A piece of paper from some corporate hall of “higher learning” (university/college) doesn’t make you ‘educated’. It only proves that you paid the fee, stayed mostly sober and attended enough classes to pass.

    You act as if the EU is important. CLUE: it isn’t. I laugh at the antics there as it tries to cover up all of the same bullshit, lies and insanity that also exists in the US. When you are in the box…

    I am a student of the real world, Cloggie. You never ‘graduate’ that course until you die. The diploma is how you live your life, not what brainwashing your professors poured into your brain while they had their hands in your pocket.

    I don’t give a damn about ‘peak oil’ or peak anything, Cloggie. I do not need most of the shit you do. You cannot understand that comment because you hide from real life or deny it. I don’t have to worry about freezing if Russia cuts off your FFs. I won’t do without necessities because the imports stopped. Your country imports most of what you need. Mine makes it in country. And on and on…

    I’m prepared for the coming shit storm. Obviously you are not. Aww! LMAO!

  5. Cloggie on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 3:07 am 

    “BTW: A piece of paper from some corporate hall of “higher learning” (university/college) doesn’t make you ‘educated’. It only proves that you paid the fee, stayed mostly sober and attended enough classes to pass.”

    That’s absurd. In your view making a serious effort to master a discipline is meaningless. Don’t tell me that if you have a tooth-problem, you go to a blacksmith rather than a dentist who attended five years in medical college.

    “You act as if the EU is important. CLUE: it isn’t. ”

    The EU is an important geopolitical player, just like Russia, China and decreasingly the US. All Americans, including you, think they have Europe in their pocket and if necessary is a place to throw bombs upon, to keep it in their pocket. No, Europe isn’t going to rule the world anymore, Anglos thoroughly ensured that on behalf of their kosher masters. But we are about to escape from disastrous and toxic Anglo-Zionist influence once and for all and let the Anglos, or what’s left of them, fall flat on their faces all by themselves as a result of their globalist, borderless world.

    #Timber

    “I am a student of the real world, Cloggie. You never ‘graduate’ that course until you die. The diploma is how you live your life, not what brainwashing your professors poured into your brain while they had their hands in your pocket.”

    Yeah, yeah. More chest beating. You do know that in real life references from mom or yourself don’t count?

    “I do not need most of the shit you do.”

    What does that even mean? You fly, I fly. You have solar panels, I have. I have a small car, you probably no longer do, but have owned one at least until my current age. You have internet, I have. You have a vegetable garden, I have. You have a fridge, I have. What’s the bloody difference?

    “I don’t have to worry about freezing if Russia cuts off your FFs. I won’t do without necessities because the imports stopped. Your country imports most of what you need. Mine makes it in country. And on and on…”

    Russia won’t cut our ff because Europe is about to defect to Russia, away from Anglostan. You think you have no problem, but in reality you are living in the cross-hairs of geopolitical tensions between China and empire. The Ps were occupied by Japan in WW2, expect the Ps to be occupied by China if China feels strong enough to challenge the US, for instance if JH Kunstler’s CW2 breaks out in the US. And you my friend, will be seen as the enemy:

    https://tinyurl.com/y6yfy752
    (US POWs in Ps 1942)

    This could be you, certainly if you are 100% white, as you claim you are, rather than half Filipino, son of an American GI and Filipino mother, forced to flee from invading Japanese in 1942, exactly matching your age and the whole reason why you left the US in the first place, a very unusual thing to do for an old white guy (but not impossible).

  6. Cloggie on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 3:21 am 

    Unless Westminster acts, no-deal is as good as certain, initiating the end of the West, good-riddance to that:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7549155/No10-warns-Boris-Johnson-fight-No-Deal-election-against-hostile-EU.html

    “‘If this deal dies it WON’T be revived’: No10 warns Brussels that Boris Johnson is not ‘bluffing’ and WILL force through No Deal if negotiations break down in furious threat to END cooperation with any ‘hostile’ EU nation that supports a Brexit delay”

    Bye-bye BoJo!

    LOL, he seriously thinks he can threaten EU countries. Just go to the US and apply to become its 51st state. That’s what the majority of the Brexiteers want anyway:

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2019/10/06/eu-get-serious-with-your-army/

    …and continue where we left off in 1939, this time with MUCH better continental European cards.

  7. makati1 on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 4:54 am 

    Cloggie, I “mastered” many disciplines without a college ‘education’. I can tell you the many times I had to train the new “grads” how to actually do their job in the real world. I learned practical skills that made my life secure in fields that were needed and always will be. Now I train others in the same skills. Only god knows how many million new ‘grads’ are unemployed or working at dog walking while trying to pay off their beer tabs that were run up on money borrowed from the government and now has them chained to a life of debt.

    “The bloody difference” is, that my life can continue very much as it is now, after the SHTF and all the globalization goes away, which it will, or be so curtailed you will worry 24/7/365 about surviving until the next day. I won’t.

    I don’t need refs from anyone. My 40+ years in construction kept me employed with a good salary and bennies. Word-of-mouth does not require paper bullshit. I moved up from mason’s helper, to carpenter, to design drafting, then estimating/bidding and project manager of multi-million dollar projects. i still have those useful skills.

    As far as Russia, I would not put too much faith in that idea. Russia is one of the few countries that is independent of the rest of the world where it counts. If/when the EU collapse’, and it will, who knows where Russia’s FFs will go? I think they will go East, not to what is left of debtor Europe. We shall see.

  8. Nightly JuanP garbage on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 5:17 am 

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  9. Davy on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 5:18 am 

    JuanP Davy ID theft and sock puppet noise are now the largest comment part of this forum. My responses of self-defense are part of this too. It could end tomorrow if JuanP would ignore me. I will ignore him and all is well for others to participate. The problem is JuanP likes this activity. He is mentally ill and this gives him expression that he enjoys. He had his feelings hurt 18 months ago because he demanded I be silent and I wouldn’t go. He gave me an ultimatum which was really just a trigger for his mental illness to run wild. He cannot control himself.

    People like cloggo and makato support this shit by not taking a stand against it and enabling him by playing along. JuanP is one of makato’s main supporters so he is going to continue to play along. Annoymouse is a stalker and bully but is rarely here so is irrelevant. Cloggo likes juanP bad behavior because he provides cover from debates with his extremist agenda. Cloggo believed an enemy of my enemy is my friend type shit. Cloggo tries to say these ID thefts and socks are MOBster which is absurd. MOBster is gone most of the time these days and when he was here he was too much into being heard to do ID theft and socks. Cloggo is also afraid JuanP will turn his madness on him so he plays his deceptive game of whining about the destruction of this unmoderated forum but liking the cover. This is dishonest behavior. Occasionally JuanP does take cloggo’s ID but not often so I am sure cloggo has no interest of being on the receiving end of stalking and ID theft.

    It is my hope the site owners institute a bare minimum of moderation with password protected ID’s. Further if they could limit IP’s with ID’s. It appears the site owners either have no time or don’t care. It is my opinion this apathy is driving off quality participation. No, I am not leaving because that is a victory for censorship by stalking, cyber bullying, and digital gaming. How else can you describe “supremacist muzie jerk” than a mentally ill gamming. JuanP thinks he is clever and funny. He also attacks people and pretends to support people through this sock. This guy is mad and it is often the mentally unhinged that destroy the fabric of a good place.

    If you dislike me and like this shit then you are one of those who approve of censorship and have a message that does not stand on facts. I am not being put out by this because it is part of my mental training for the end game of the decline process. We are going to be attacked from all sides directly and indirectly and human and non-human. Get tough and be able to fight injustice. JuanP is injustice, period. The injustice is twofold, he is ruining a forum for intelligent debate and he is getting away with cyber bullying, stalking, and sock noise. This bad behavior has been going on for 18 months daily and excessively. I could see the occasional attack and or routine debate of the facts but there is no knowledge being debated nor a topic thread. There is no other word for it but “BAD”. If you support this you are bad too.

  10. Davy on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 5:18 am 

    Syria – Trump Gives A Green Light For Another Turkish Invasion
    https://tinyurl.com/y2g2fuco moon of alabama
    https://tinyurl.com/y4f95x4w map

    “Erdogan wants to take a 30 kilometer deep strip including the M4 highway which runs west to east in that area. But the border area Erdogan marked is quite populated with some 850,000 people living there. Most of them are Kurds. Turkey wants to replace those Kurds with the Syrian mob that it armed and supported against the Syrian government troops. These people and their families currently live in Turkey. To move them into north Syria would be one of the largest ethnic cleansing operation the world has seen in recent times. A saying goes “The Kurds have no friends but the mountains.” But there are no mountains in Syria’s north east. While the YPG might want to fight off a Turkish invasion they have little chance to succeed. The land is flat and the YPG forces only have light arms.”

  11. Davy on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 5:19 am 

    “US withdrawal in Syria is only a small number of special operators, says Trump administration”
    https://tinyurl.com/y2wqbe88 military times

    “A senior administration official told reporters Monday that Sunday’s announcement did not constitute a full U.S. withdrawal from Syria and that only 50 to 100 U.S. special operations forces were moving to other locations in Syria. The official explained that Trump’s decision to move the special operators out of the zone of a potential Turkish operation was done to protect troops and keep them out of the crossfire. Those troops are moving to more secure areas over the next several days, the official said. “The Department of Defense made clear to Turkey — as did the president — that we do not endorse a Turkish operation in Northern Syria,” Jonathan Hoffman, the chief Pentagon spokesman said. “The U.S. armed forces will not support, or be involved in any such operation.”

  12. Davy on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 5:22 am 

    “Cloggie, I “mastered” many disciplines without a college ‘education’”

    You didn’t mast humility and honesty. If you did then you would not cut down higher education. You would acknowledge that many fields require specialized training. You cut them down because you only have a high school degree and did not have the temperament to do continuing education. Youa re a fraud and a intellectual light weight.

  13. Cloggie on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 5:56 am 

    “People like cloggo and makato support this shit by not taking a stand against it and enabling him by playing along.”

    BS!

    I have repeatedly said I deeply dislike this garbage posting.

    It was me who repeatedly urged the admin to finally get his act together and install proper accounts with password, if necessary with (junk) email verification. That is sufficient to halt ID-theft.

    But please no moderation.

  14. Cloggie on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 6:00 am 

    ““Cloggie, I “mastered” many disciplines without a college ‘education’””

    Congratulations, there is indeed no need for a college degree to be good at something, but now you want to insinuate that my solid Dutch seventies-eighties university engineering degree is worthless, or what?

    I have picked up that many US rightwing sites, like LewRockwell, are deeply skeptical about present day US college, especially the “humanities” section as well as the astronomical debt that comes with a degree. But I still trust that US engineering is still world class. There is no such thing as Marxist engineering.

  15. Davy on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 6:02 am 

    “BS! I have repeatedly said I deeply dislike this garbage posting.”

    And then you claim it is the MOBster mainly because he is your nemesis and the garbage is useful to blame on him. Now that MOBser is gone but you continue this farce.

    “It was me who repeatedly urged the admin to finally get his act together and install proper accounts with password, if necessary with (junk) email verification. That is sufficient to halt ID-theft. But please no moderation.”

    Agreed
    …but quit the dishonesty on JuanP. You are smart enough and been on forums long enough to know the who and what’s of trolling. You are being dishonest for ulterior motives. I have been battling this for 18 months. For several months JuanP battled me as JuanP but now it is mostly socks and ID theft. You can step up to the table and condemn him or you are enabling him. This half way shit is a lie.

  16. Cloggie on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 6:10 am 

    “And then you claim it is the MOBster mainly because he is your nemesis and the garbage is useful to blame on him. Now that MOBser is gone but you continue this farce.”

    He is indeed gone as MOBster, because he knows he has lost the debate, exactly like Apneaman did (if these two are not the same person in the first place). Identity theft-confusion and deception is their middle name.

    Schopenhauer: these folks are the Grandmaster of the Lie.

    These people act from stealth and don’t like it when they get a yellow piece of cloth glued to their chests, because they know that historically that is the beginning of their end:

    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/expelled.htm

    Won’t be different in the USofA in 202x. Precisely where our friend JHK is afraid of.

    #110

    But a 100% economy man and kosher-illiterate like you has no feelers for that. The subject simply doesn’t interest you. You prefer to gaze at stock charts and track where your carriers are.

  17. Cloggie on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 6:14 am 

    “I have been battling this for 18 months.”

    Waste of time given the circumstances on this board. We all know who the real Davy is and who is fake.

    “You are smart enough and been on forums long enough to know the who and what’s of trolling. You are being dishonest for ulterior motives.”

    JuanP has repeatedly denied it was him and I believe him. I can’t prove it was mostly MOBster, I judge by intuition (that admittedly could be mistaken) and general knowledge of the absolute sadistic and evil vermin his tribe represents.

  18. Davy on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 6:18 am 

    “And then you claim it is the MOBster mainly because he is your nemesis and the garbage is useful to blame on him. Now that MOBser is gone but you continue this farce.”
    “He is indeed gone as MOBster, because he knows he has lost the debate, exactly like Apneaman did (if these two are not the same person in the first place). Identity theft-confusion and deception is their middle name.”
    LIAR, show we one example of a MOBster indicator?? I have some saved some comments by you against this JuanP activity which your acknowledge.

    “Schopenhauer: these folks are the Grandmaster of the Lie.”
    You are a disciple of lies to further your agenda.

    “You prefer to gaze at stock charts and track where your carriers are.”
    You prefer to manufacture stories to further your Euro Chauvinism lie. You claim an absurd united Eurasian front against an Anglo foe. Your Euroland is not even united let alone Asia. You are one of the biggest lies on this forum but at least you can debate and do not delve into JuanP trolling behavior.

  19. A blast from the past on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 6:23 am 

    JUANP PUPPETEERING
    I HATE DAVY on Sat, 3rd Nov 2018 8:10 am Davy has so many enemies, including ones he doesn’t know about, it’s unbeleivable. Why? Because Davy is the biggest fucking douche bag to walk this planet. Yeah, I’m not on ur list and I fucking hate ur guts as well Davy boy. God, how I wish Davy boy and me went to school together. I would have punded his fucking face and loved it.
    JUANP PUPPETEERING
    I HATE DAVY on Sat, 3rd Nov 2018 8:18 am Forgot to say why I hate u. Every part, every fiber of who ur reeks like the most stinking garbage dump imagainable- u make the smell of rotting flesh smell better than the odor u emit. U have so many goddamned enemies u can’t keep track. Its because you are a vile quasi human wretch. EVERY NEGATIVE HUMAN TRAIT U EMBODY IN SPADES. NO WONDER U ARE SO UNIVERSALLY HATED.
    JUANP ADMITTING
    JuanP on Sat, 3rd Nov 2018 8:59 am OK, Davy, I take credit for fucking with you. I will fuck with you for as long as I can; I enjoy doing it. ROFLMFAO! Come on, Exceptionalist, grow a pair and take it like a man. It is time you fought some real battles and stopped hiding behind your murdering, criminal, terrorist government. Go take back the streets of St. Louis! LOL! You are such a sad fuck, Exceptionalist! Not even your children love you!
    DAVY SHOWING DISCOVERY TO NEDER
    Davy on Sat, 3rd Nov 2018 9:09 am Satisfied neder?
    NEDER AGREEING
    Cloggie on Sat, 3rd Nov 2018 9:26 am JuanP, perhaps you concentrate on more positive subjects, like perma-culture and scale back a little on personal attacks.
    DAVY IDENTITY THEFT
    Davy on Sat, 3rd Nov 2018 4:11 pm I forgot to add, I hate you too nederdumbassNazis. Ive called you a disgusting semi-human on many occasions. Though are the best friend I have in this world, and will ever have, I still hate you.
    JUAN P DECEPTIVELY BACK PEDDLING
    JuanP on Sat, 3rd Nov 2018 8:19 pm Someone is stealing my identity and reposting old comments after editing them. It has to be Delusional Davy. Please tell me we don’t have more than one derandged lunatic on the board! With the Exceptionalist it is more than enough. ROFLMFAO! You are all a bunch of freaks. I am the only one here who is NOT bat shit crazy! I swear! I am sane! I swear! ROFLMFAO!

    DAVY:
    Well, here is the classic board lunatic playing his deranged games. We have all the games here. We have puppeteering, identity theft, admitting the games, attacks, then deceptive backpedaling. Juan, you are the one enjoying these games not the rest of the board. It looks like billy does too because I know billy wants a return to the old days when 5 of you at once came after me. He doesn’t do well alone. Juan, the one thing you are not capable of doing is debating ideas. This is proof you have lost your battle. You are now irrelevant and just more board noise distracting us from our search for the truth. Juan, you are a decent guy when you are on your medication. When you are not you a flaming lunatic. SEEK HELP

    JuanP on Thu, 8th Nov 2018 9:22 am Ridiculous Davy “DIRTY JUAN IDENTITY THEFT” Do you have any evidence to back up your ridiculous claims that I engage in identity theft, moron? No, you don’t, yet you keep throwing the first stone. Well, I promise you that I will make your life hell until you stop. Enjoy it! I am going to be on your ass until at least next year now, prick. You asked for it. You will regret it like you always do because I can beat the crap out of you all the time if I want.

    JuanP on Thu, 8th Nov 2018 9:26 am To the board. Davy has been constantly insulting me and falsely accusing me of stealing his identity for weeks and I held back out of consideration for others, but I intend to fuck with him until next year now. Sorry for what’s coming. You can blame Davy for it as he is 100% responsible. Thank Davy for it!

    Cloggie on Sat, 10th Nov 2018 3:54 am Mob is ruining this board, but Juan isn’t exactly helping either.

  20. Cloggie on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 6:38 am 

    “You prefer to manufacture stories to further your Euro Chauvinism lie. You claim an absurd united Eurasian front against an Anglo foe”

    Never said that. Here is my prediction, once again:

    – China is busy creating the conditions in the SCS to create the excuse to expel Anglo navies. I expect a Chinese anti-US ultimatum at a for China opportune moment. Europe is not obliged by treaties to support an Anglo navy presence in the SCS. IF the US picks up the gauntlet we will have a direct confrontation in East Asia, where Europe will remain neutral. So NO combined Eurasian anti-Anglo front.

    – As we can hear from all sides (like Trump or JHK), the US is teetering on the bring of CW2. If a serious armed conflict in the SCS (or Gulf) would occur, I expect THAT to be the trigger of CW2 in the US. Another trigger could be an impeachment of Trump by the Dems, exactly as DJT warned against.

    – Brexit. A no-deal Brexit has become a serious possibility. Expect in that case that the UK will not pay the 39B divorce bill (to pay for pensions of British EU civil servants and other purposes). Expect the EU to retaliate (blockade) and that things could get very hostile very quickly.

    So now we would have 2 flash points on both extremities of Eurasia: SCS and Northsea.

    Still no anti-Anglo united Eurasian front. Yet. Or ever.

    If the European Americans can motivate themselves to a serious uprising, expect countries like Italy, Russia, Eastern European countries to support that uprising with clandestine weapons deliveries (via Alaska and Mexico) as well as freelancers (like Russian freelance fighters in Donbass).

    From that moment on Europe and China will be fighting the same enemy: ZOG-USA (Washington). Expect a gradual coordination to take place. Very similar to what happened between 1933-1945 in Europe, when there was no official alliance between the US and USSR either (not until Barbarossa), but where in shady backrooms Roosevelt, Stalin and the UK war party around Churchill were in bed as of 1933-1934.

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/27/churchill-stalin-alliance-as-of-1934/

    I can very well imagine that meetings have already taken place between Juncker and Xi, making jokes while looking at a world map. No need for signatures under treaties to get an “mutual understanding”. Like making jokes over the isolated position of Australia, wink-wink.

  21. Cloggie on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 6:42 am 

    “Your Euroland is not even united let alone Asia.”

    Go tell that to Tess May of BoJo. Most British observers confirm that Barnier outfoxed Britain. Regarding Brexit, the EU operates as a united front. But than again, EU-UK relations from now on is like US-Canada. Get used to it, London.

    Asia is not united, China is.

  22. Davy embraces this message on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 6:46 am 

    Davy

    Good Morning Little Ms. Sunshine,

    You poor thing, looks like we woke up on the wrong side of the bed today or is it just a bad case of the Tuesdays?

    Let’s make today an official Happy Camper Day.

    Give our love to your fatty golden boy with the adorable pubic hair transplant. After all, birds of a feather flock together.

    Hugs and kisses,

    The Gang

  23. Davy on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 6:55 am 

    JuanP you are outed as a lunatic and a troll. Pretty much everyone dislikes how you have destroyed this forum except you. You are a psychopathic individual. This is from your pie hole not made up by me. You are proud of these things and it shows with you noise and bad behavior.

    BTW, I thought you were going to hack my blog? second thoughts? Criminal

  24. Davy on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 7:16 am 

    Hi Guys,

    Here’s a quick update to my post of 10 June:

    Excluding my ID Theft and Sock Puppetry, I am spending less time on this lame unmoderated forum to concentrate on my own blog. I do want to thank all those who have attacked me with giving me material for growth. I have saved the best of my comments for my new blog. I have years worth of material. I have enjoyed moderating the worst of you and neutering your selfish useless agendas. I will still be here it is just I will be spending more time putting out a blog. I don’t expect much of a following with my blog. This is more a personal effort to assemble what I have learned over the last 10 years of formulating my REAL Green Deep Adaptation. For the stalkers here I hope you find my blog and visit the comment forum. It will be only lightly moderated to prevent juanpee identity theft and excessive cloggo spamming. LOL. There will be a prize for juanpee and annoymouse if you can stalk my blog. Double LOL. Anyway fuck my enemies and many thanks to those who contributed to my metamorphous.

    I guess I could have joined the moderated section at PO dot com, but I knew I’d get my ass permanently banned. I’ll try not to let the door smack me up the backside on the way out.

    Goodbye to ALL of you dumbasses.

  25. JuanP iD theft on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 7:47 am 

    Davy said Hi Guys, Here’s a quick update to my post of…
    Davy approves this message said Hi Everyone: Here’s a fine example of how po…

  26. JuanP on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 7:51 am 

    Delusional Davy “JuanP you are outed as a lunatic and a troll. Pretty much everyone dislikes how you have destroyed this forum except you. You are a psychopathic individual.”
    You are projecting again, Exceptionalist! ROFLMFAO!

  27. JuanP on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 8:05 am 

    I’m glad I was able to flee from my 3rd world hole and move to the US. Of course, I’m still 3rd world, but that doesn’t matter. The US has an insatiable thirst for cheap chinese plastic and anything 3rd world. The US is hellbent to become a 3rd world nation by importing as much 3rd world as can be.
    And that’s where I come into play. I’m here to fulfill this desire.

  28. Davy on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 8:21 am 

    There you go troll. I flushed the lagoon creature. JuanP. You can’t have it both ways. You are either legitimate or illegitimate. Puppeteering and ID theft means you are dirty and low IQ. Ban the dreg.

  29. More Dirty Davy Low IQ ID Theft and Puppeteering on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 9:17 am 

    Nightly JuanP garbage on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 5:17 am

    A blast from the past on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 6:23 am

    Davy embraces this message on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 6:46 am

    JuanP iD theft on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 7:47 am

    JuanP on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 7:51 am

    JuanP on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 8:05 am

  30. Davy on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 9:43 am 

    This is the only thing I posted and this is total correct and pertinate to the scum bag juanP bad behavior:

    Nightly JuanP garbage on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 5:17 am

    A blast from the past on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 6:23 am

  31. JuanP postings on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 9:43 am 

    Davy embraces this message on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 6:46 am

    JuanP iD theft on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 7:47 am

    JuanP on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 7:51 am

    JuanP on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 8:05 am

  32. More Dirty Low IQ JuanP ID Theft and Puppeering on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 9:58 am 

    Davy on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 9:43 am

    JuanP postings on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 9:43 am

  33. Davy on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 10:06 am 

    Everything I post is total correct.

    Everything everybody else post is not total correct. Unless I say so.

    Dumbasses

  34. JuanP garbage on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 10:49 am 

    JuanP ID theft

    Davy said Everything I post is total correct. Everything ev…

    More Dirty Low IQ JuanP ID Theft and Puppeering said Davy on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 9:43 am JuanP postings…

    Davy said WordPress davy blog is not legitimate factual refe…

  35. Cloggie on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 12:13 pm 

    “And then you claim it is the MOBster mainly because he is your nemesis and the garbage is useful to blame on him”

    Empire dave, please don’t words you don’t understand. Words like “nemesis”:

    the inescapable agent of someone’s or something’s downfall. “injury, consistently his nemesis, struck him down during the match”

    Considering MOBster is retreating it is more like that I am his nemesis than the other way around.

    To bad MOBster is gone. Now we will never know what the German army was thinking in 2009 about peak oil.

  36. Cloggie on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 12:21 pm 

    So much for “Bamber”:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-amber-rudd-boris-johnson-second-referendum-eu-dominic-cummings-no-deal-a9147006.html

    “Brexit: Amber Rudd ready to back second referendum as she attacks ‘desperate’ Boris Johnson”

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-latest-businesses-customs-forms-hmrc-a9147866.html

    “Businesses would have to spend £15bn a year on filling out customs forms if there is no-deal Brexit, HMRC document says”

    Everything about British society is volatile:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-general-election-brexit-uk-study-opinion-poll-a9147376.html

    “Boris Johnson’s push for general election is in danger of backfiring, study indicates”

    The researchers claim that almost half – 49 per cent – of the public did not vote for the same party in the three most recent national elections, pointing to an extremely volatile political landscape in Britain.

    Between the 1964 and 1966 elections, 13 per cent of voters switched allegiances, but 43 per cent changed their views between 2010 and 2015, and 33 per cent switched from 2015 to 2017, the researchers added.

    The outcome of a next election is completely unpredictable.

    ““Almost half the electorate are now floating voters,” said Professor Jane Green, who contributed to the latest edition of the British Election Study, which goes back to 1964.”

    And the usual British obsession with WW2 and anything German:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-eu-angela-merkel-latest-xenophobic-arron-banks-a9147551.html

    Brexit group Leave.EU condemned for ‘xenophobic’ tweet about Angela Merkel

    The picture of Ms Merkel carried the caption, ‘We didn’t win two world wars to be pushed around by a Kraut’

    https://pbs.twimg.com/ad_img/1181513813721526272/sgg35obz?format=jpg&name=orig

    Fortunately mr Gove found to right words in parliament to deal with this.

  37. Davy on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 12:38 pm 

    “Considering MOBster is retreating it is more like that I am his nemesis than the other way around. To bad MOBster is gone. Now we will never know what the German army was thinking in 2009 about peak oil.”

    Aren’t you cute cloggo. LOL. I am happy the dipshit is gone too and now if we could rid the board of juanP nonsense maybe some quality people will drop in to visit.

  38. Davy on Tue, 8th Oct 2019 4:02 pm 

    BTW cloggo, I’m real partial to cute guys. Specially ones with ebony penuses.

  39. JuanP on Wed, 9th Oct 2019 7:18 am 

    I trust you guys realize just how insane I appears. It’s my ID theft and sock puppets and fascination with all cocks (ebony).

  40. JuanP on Wed, 9th Oct 2019 7:19 am 

    Oh daddy, I love it when you tell me, “DADDY’S HOME AND HE’S FEELING LIKE A MAN.” That gets me so horny. And that’s when I love to say, “FUCK my PUSSY.”

  41. JuanP on Wed, 9th Oct 2019 7:24 am 

    ” I am planning ID theft and socks all day”

    This applies to any poster I disagree with and I got all the time in the world since i have nothing better to do with my time.

    Pathetic, eh?

  42. JuanP on Wed, 9th Oct 2019 7:30 am 

    I sure hope y’all enjoyed my spamming the discussion with my usual off topic copied and pasted dumbass bullshit. Cause it sure made me feel like the toll I am.

  43. JuanP on Wed, 9th Oct 2019 7:32 am 

    You fuckers know I’m Troll Triggerred when I use the ‘C’ word, my mommy told me that I was a cunt one time

  44. JuanP on Wed, 9th Oct 2019 7:41 am 

    I trust you guy realizes just how insane I appear. Realization requires an IQ above 10. So no, obviously he does not.

  45. Davy on Thu, 10th Oct 2019 4:01 am 

    Got nothin’ better to do so why not ID theft???

    JuanP on Wed, 9th Oct 2019 7:18 am

    JuanP on Wed, 9th Oct 2019 7:19 am

    JuanP on Wed, 9th Oct 2019 7:24 am

    JuanP on Wed, 9th Oct 2019 7:30 am

    JuanP on Wed, 9th Oct 2019 7:32 am

    JuanP on Wed, 9th Oct 2019 7:41 am

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