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The World Is Running Out of Elements

Geology

Make no mistake: We are running out of elements. As humans have filled in all the corners of the periodic table, each element has resulted in technological innovation.

Europium and indium are crucial for televisions and touch screens. Rhenium is necessary in fighter jet engines. And to avoid some of the effects of climate change, we need lithium and cobalt for electric vehicle batteries, tellurium for solar panels and dysprosium for wind turbines.

Yet we cannot make these elements — they formed, along with Earth, billions of years ago. To replenish our dwindling stores and keep up with a growing, modernizing world, we must mine for more.

Prospectors are widening their search as they seek fresh sources of raw materials that won’t disrupt populated areas — no one wants a mine in their backyard. They’re looking for natural ores in places once considered too remote to mine, before the materials’ demand justified the costs and arduous journeys: the Arctic, the deep sea and even the asteroids nearest Earth.

But after a century of heavy industrial activity, we also have a wealth of human waste products full of reclaimable elements: wastewater, discarded consumer electronics and even pollution in the atmosphere. Technologies that scientists are developing to clean up these wastes can literally turn trash into treasure. “If you’re going to remove it, why not recover it?” says William Tarpeh, a chemical engineer at Stanford University.

Raw Materials


The Arctic

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As warmer land and water temperatures melt glaciers and sea ice around the globe, permafrost also has started thawing. The changes to permafrost destabilize existing buildings and any future construction in the Arctic. The lack of ice roads on frozen rivers and lakes limits travel across the Arctic, including in areas that would be potential mining sites. (Credit: Jane Rix/Shutterstock)

The Great White North is already a familiar location for mining.  The industry has been an economic mainstay of Arctic countries for centuries. Finland’s Ojamo iron mine began production in 1530, while Sweden’s Falun Mine operated as far back as the Viking era. And still today, mines scattered throughout Russia’s tundra supply some 40 percent of the world’s palladium, essential for catalytic converters and fuel cells. But the Arctic’s extreme temperatures and unforgiving landscape have precluded vast swaths from exploitation.

That may soon change. “The exploration up in the North is not finished,” says Janice Zinck, the director of green mining innovation with the federal agency Natural Resources Canada. “We’re really just scratching the surface in terms of what’s out there.”

Renewed interest in the Arctic has been driven by a shift in demand. Base metals like iron and copper, used in bulk for infrastructure, aren’t the top priority today. Now, the push is on for more so-called technology metals, such as the rare earth elements dysprosium and terbium, which strengthen magnets and give screens color.

Arctic nations joined forces from 2012 to 2016 on the Circum-Arctic Mineral Resource Project to compile data on the region’s riches. They identified several major deposits, including one of the world’s largest sites of rare earth elements at Kvanefjeld in Greenland. And as the Arctic Circle warms, more areas like Greenland’s interior and the Arctic Ocean’s seafloor will open up. But the changing climate also increases the challenges, warns Zinck. Thawing permafrost destabilizes existing and future buildings and mining structures, while the melting of valuable ice roads — frozen rivers or paths on frozen lakes — limits travel.

Sustainability will be key for future Arctic mines, says Zinck. Mining companies operating in Norway, for example, have been required since 2010 to restore the area at the end of a mine’s life. “Rebuilding after extraction should be an obligation,” says geologist Morten Smelror, former director of the Geological Survey of Norway.

The Deep Sea

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Deep-sea polymetallic nodules (above) often contain nickel, cobalt and copper. Nautilus Minerals intends to use its seafloor production tools (left) to cut, extract and collect material in search of seafloor resources. (Credit: Emma Critchley/Nautilus Minerals)

Jules Verne predicted the existence of valuable seafloor minerals only a few years before their actual discovery. In Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea, Captain Nemo of the submarine Nautilus says, “There exist, at the bottom of the sea, mines of zinc, iron, silver, and gold, the working of which would most certainly be practicable.”

Three years later, in 1873, the real-life English exploration ship HMS Challenger proved Nemo right when it hauled up curious, potato-sized black rocks from the floor of the Pacific: so-called polymetallic nodules rich with manganese, iron, nickel and cobalt, among other metals. Over the next 150 years, scientists found two more types of metal-rich resources beneath the waves: deposits of seafloor massive sulfides, often found at the boundaries of tectonic plates, that have copper, gold and silver; and cobalt crusts, which grow on underwater volcanoes scattered worldwide, including a large population in the Pacific.

With deposits of high-grade metals dwindling, companies have begun making plans to tap these element-rich deposits. As a bonus, seafloor mining faces fewer of the problems associated with terrestrial mining. For one, the seafloor is in nobody’s backyard, so disturbance to communities is minimal. Oceans also cover more than 70 percent of the planet, potentially hiding enough elements to supply all of humanity’s needs for the foreseeable future. And, perhaps most crucially of all, while every nation keeps mineral rights within 200 nautical miles of its coastline, the seafloor’s elements in international waters don’t belong to any one country.

No deep-sea mining operations are running now, but companies and countries are eager to change that. Australian company Nautilus Minerals intends to begin commercial mining of seafloor massive sulfides off the coast of Papua New Guinea once it untangles itself from financial trouble. Diamond Fields Resources is looking to do the same off the coast of Saudi Arabia in the Red Sea. As for international waters, all eyes are on the International Seabed Authority to set global deep-sea mining laws this year, after it finishes assessing the potential environmental impact.

“I’m quite optimistic about that process, slow and bureaucratic as it is,” says biologist Adrian Glover of the Natural History Museum in London, who is involved with the International Seabed Authority’s assessment. “It’s been very successful in an emerging industry and getting people thinking about environmental risks and legal responsibilities, well before the industry starts. And that’s a really positive thing.”

The Asteroids

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Asteroids may one day be sources for platinum. But first we’d have to capture one robotically, shown in this artist’s rendering from NASA. (Credit: NASA)

Before NASA’s Apollo missions to the moon, our only firsthand knowledge of space rocks came from the meteorites that had fallen to Earth. Now, not only have we studied moon rocks, but we’ve also collected samples directly from asteroids and comets. And it turns out space is full of useful materials. Of the roughly 20,000 known asteroids closer than Mars, more than 700 are metallic, says Mitch Hunter-Scullion, founder and CEO of Asteroid Mining Corporation in the U.K.

While actually mining asteroids would be, ahem, astronomically expensive, one metal alone could make it worth the trip. “The business case is driven by the price of platinum,” says mechanical engineer Amanda Hughes of the University of Liverpool. In terrestrial mines, ore that contains 5 parts per million of platinum is worth mining. An asteroid about a half-mile wide with at least 10 ppm of platinum could turn a profit, she says. About 50 asteroids fit that description, according to Hunter-Scullion’s estimate. (Some meteorites have been found with over 120 ppm of platinum.)

Hunter-Scullion is building a comprehensive database of other potential resources that might be found in these platinum-rich asteroids, including base metals like iron and nickel, as well as organic carbon and phosphorus, to further boost mining profits. He’s also hoping to find water, which could support humanity’s expansion into space.

Asteroid mining could happen in two ways: by bringing an asteroid to Earth and extracting its minerals here, or — more likely — by crushing the asteroid in space and returning to Earth with the element-rich concentrates. If asteroid mining sounds like science fiction, that’s because it still is. Scientists would need to figure out, for example, how to smash and collect rocks in zero gravity. They are already taking the first steps of this process, looking for platinum-rich asteroids — prospecting from over 100 million miles away.

Reclaimed Materials


Liquid Wastes

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Researchers in Australia are working on using bacteria to mine old tailings storage ponds, such as this one in Queensland, for cobalt. (Credit: Dominic Brown)

Toxic algal blooms, acidic streams and metal-tainted soils have one thing in common: These environmental calamities result from wastewater that’s rich in minerals and metals. Wastewater has traditionally occupied the middle ground between carrying too few elements to be exploited as a resource, but too many to be healthy for the environment. That is now changing, thanks to mounting environmental concerns and the soaring costs of materials.

The targeted elements are as diverse as the possible sources. Human and animal sewage is a good source of nitrogen and phosphorus, essential ingredients in making fertilizer for plant growth. Desalination operations — which turn saltwater into safe drinking water — produce concentrated brines full of useful metals that are discarded back into the oceans. And the 14 billion tons of waste tailings — leftover, metal-containing sludge from mines — generated every year contain reclaimable elements, including rare earth metals.

The advantage of prospecting in these wastes is that the elements aren’t trapped inside of rocks. Instead, the challenge is one of careful chemical separation of the wanted from the unwanted at a molecular level. To do this, researchers have designed what are called capture agents, molecules and materials that bind only to the desired substances. Some have engineered bacteria to secrete proteins that bind to specific elements, for example.

This approach of treating wastewater as a resource is already underway around the world. Water treatment plants in North America and Europe have established phosphorus recovery systems to counter harmful algal blooms, with a handful even selling the reclaimed nutrients as fertilizer. In 2018, researchers in Australia developed a material that could extract lithium from desalination brines and fracking wastewater. And geo-environmental scientist Anita Parbhakar-Fox of the University of Queensland is working on bacteria that can mine old tailings ponds for cobalt, an increasingly important element for electric vehicle batteries.

“It pays to go look at waste,” she says.

Solid Wastes

Umicore
(Credit: Umicore)

Urban mining sounds impressive, but it’s really just a glorified term for recycling. It’s an idea that has been around for millennia, says industrial ecologist Peter Afiuny, who is executive vice president of Urban Mining Co. in Austin, Texas. Battered and broken Iron Age weapons were melted down and reforged in later ages, medieval Britain built churches with stone from Roman ruins, and metals like tin and aluminum are recycled in high amounts today. It’s common sense to harvest the rare components in today’s discarded consumer products, from cellphones to tractors, for the products of tomorrow. And, as a bonus, these “ores” are already in the urban areas where they are most needed, instead of buried in mines in hard-to-reach locations.

The problem, however, is that these elements are really spread out. “The [original] mine is disseminated over thousands and tens of thousands of households,” says industrial engineer Christian Hagelüken of materials company Umicore, based in Brussels. Mining all those appliances and electronics first requires gathering them all into one area.

A second challenge is dismantling today’s incredibly complex products. Elements now suffuse technology like spices in an elaborate dish — iPhones, for instance, contain a dash of indium, a sprinkling of terbium and hints of some 70 other elements. Most consumer products were never designed to be easily disassembled and recycled, so reducing that big pile of merchandise into its ingredients is tricky.

To that end, companies have pioneered various methods to better reclaim the valuable parts of our old tech. Urban Mining Co. focuses on extracting neodymium-iron-boron magnets from hard drives, wind turbines and more, turning them into powder and making new magnets directly from that. And Umicore’s furnaces can melt and separate any of 17 elements from old catalytic converters and circuit boards.

But while this strategy brings a recycling approach to mining, it does pose an inherent conflict with sustainability: Mining obsolete products for materials only works if the original products have a short lifetime to begin with. If our tech tools live as long as we do — a goal in any environmentally sound future — this mine will become increasingly scarce.

Gaseous Wastes

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Carbon Engineering has opened a pilot plant in British Columbia that captures about a ton of carbon dioxide each day. It aims to build a plant shown in an artist’s rendering, to absorb 2.2 billion pounds of CO2 annually. (Credit: Carbon Engineering, Ltd.)

It may sound futuristic (or ridiculous) to extract resources from the air, but we’ve effectively been doing it since 1913. The Haber-Bosch process converts atmospheric nitrogen into ammonia, which is used for fertilizers and explosives. Today, scientists want to reclaim a different element that humanity has been moving into the atmosphere for over a century, one with far higher stakes: carbon.

Humans have been releasing the carbon buried in fossil fuels in the form of carbon dioxide, with disastrous effects. Anthropogenic climate change is linked to melting ice sheets and rising seas that are predicted to flood coastal cities and island nations. Stronger storms and droughts have become the norm. The U.N.’s 2018 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report concluded that developing carbon-capture technologies is now a necessity if we’re to stave off the worst effects of climate change.

But it’s not easy. One of the biggest problems is that, even though carbon dioxide levels are high, the gas still makes up just 0.04 percent of the atmosphere. To draw this tiny amount of carbon from the air effectively, the startup company Carbon Engineering in Squamish, British Columbia, built a device that forces air into contact with an alkaline solution that absorbs carbon dioxide. Inside the device, the alkaline solution flows downward, guided by ridged plastic surfaces, like corrugated cardboard, nestled upright. The solution coats those surfaces, creating a vast area of contact with air as it streams through the device horizontally, helping it grab those minute amounts of carbon in the air.

Currently, Carbon Engineering’s pilot plant captures about a ton of carbon dioxide per day, and the company is planning a full-scale plant that would absorb a million metric tons (or just over 2.2 billion pounds) of CO2 annually.

But unlike the carbon in fossil fuels, which comes packed with energy thanks to the hydrogen atoms it carries, carbon dioxide is fairly inert. So for mined carbon to be repurposed back into fuel, energy needs to be injected (in the form of new hydrogen atoms) back into the carbon. Iceland-based Carbon Recycling International and others have made huge strides in this area, turning CO2 emissions from power plants into fuels like liquid methanol.

Carbon Engineering’s strategy is to cobble together established chemical processes to first reduce carbon dioxide to carbon monoxide, and then convert that into a light synthetic crude oil.

Eventually, we might be able to pull our fuels literally out of thin air.


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57 Comments on "The World Is Running Out of Elements"

  1. DT on Sun, 17th May 2020 1:39 am 

    “Eventually, we might be able to pull our fuels literally out of thin air.” OH my yes, right out of thin air, We would all be such fools NOT to believe that.

  2. Cloggie on Sun, 17th May 2020 2:21 am 

    “Eventually, we might be able to pull our fuels literally out of thin air.” OH my yes, right out of thin air, We would all be such fools NOT to believe that.

    We already can:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2019/05/13/hydrogen-out-of-thin-air/

    Apart from in nuclear reactors, it is not possible to destroy elements and hence we cannot run out of elements.

    86% of steel is recycled:

    https://www.steelsustainability.org/recycling

    A large part of the world’s steel production is based on reuse of scrap metal. Production of new steel from scrap metal takes 10 times less energy than it takes from iron ore, an interesting statistic with positive consequences for the EROI of wind turbines, as after 30-50-100 years use, you can create a new wind turbine at a fraction of the original energy cost. Ad infinitum.

    Once population growth will have stopped, for one reason or the other, at some point mining no longer will be necessary as all the “elements” you ever need will already be above the ground.

    This does not apply for everything. Difficult to see how you can “recycle” fertilizer like phosphate. But the most lush tropical rain forests have existed for eons, without the need for phosphate mining. The key is population reduction.

  3. Cloggie on Sun, 17th May 2020 3:14 am 

    “Spread Isolation Quality European Homes”

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2020/05/17/spread-isolation-quality-european-homes/

    What a thermostat company can learn from its cloud data.

  4. Sissyfuss on Sun, 17th May 2020 8:57 am 

    I love the smell of hopium in the morning. It smells like a clogged anus.

  5. dissident on Sun, 17th May 2020 9:34 am 

    According to famous economists, if there is a shortage of elements, then the magic market will make more.

  6. Duncan Idaho on Sun, 17th May 2020 9:50 am 

    “Furthermore, Trump brought to the White House his habit of surrounding himself with incompetents, ideologues, and brown-nosing sycophants. Among his family members, cabinet, and appointees are all three, often in one body.”

    Fat Boy friends?

  7. DT on Sun, 17th May 2020 10:36 am 

    Well I am off to my local hydrogen filling station. They are now everywhere, so easy to find just look in the yellow pages under “out of thin air hydrogen filling stations.” I load up on the thin air hydrogen and you can too. Just ask your imaginary friend to direct you. Thin air hydrogen, Clean Green, Sustainable, Renewable, brought to you by the transitioning new and improved industrial civilization.

  8. SocialRevolutionComing on Sun, 17th May 2020 11:37 am 

    They are trying to manage what oil left using a COVIX-HOAX fear propaganda message using Youtube and main street media to push fear propaganda.

    For example, Australia, France, Canada advice their citizens to take their summer vacation close to where they live. They don’t want people to travel because it burns precious oil. It look likes oil production is really low.

    Northern nations like Canada, Russia, Sweden are the top oil consumers per person because they live in cold nations. Yet pieces of shit globalist were pushing for mass migration in Whites western nations to keep growth going and their wealth growing. This has accelerated depletion. Mass migration of people into Whites Nordics nation has indeed accelerated depletion. See below

    https://www.indexmundi.com/map/?v=91000

    And now I should trust that same people, globalists, to make the right decisions during this crises.

  9. Anonymouse on Sun, 17th May 2020 11:52 am 

    “The key is population reduction.”

    EXACTLY, cloggedsphincter. Ive been saying this for years myself. And now that jew, I mean you are on-board as well, I nominate you to take the charge of the population reduction initiative. I cant think of anyone better.

    And you know what cloggedcolon? There is no better way to lead, than to lead by example. So, in the interests providing a better FUTURE(tm) for all us, would you please off yourself as soon as possible?

    Some suggestions

    -Gun. Fast and relatively painless provided you dont miss. I suggest not aiming for your head, as it is not a vital organ.

    -The highway. Even with reduced traffic Im sure you can steer your electric scooter into the path of an oncoming 18 wheeler, bus w/o too much trouble. Or better yet, an Autonomous car that isnt smart enough to stop when you roll out in front of it. That would be funny as shit actually.

    -Gravity. You could just pull yourself out of your mobility scooter and fling yourself, or drive off any nearby bridge. Better still, a wind turbine if you can manage the logistics of that somehow.

    Those are a just a ways YOU can help ease
    the strain and budren on the planet you are imposing cloggedsphintcter. Voluntary self-cloggtermination is the best and indeed its the only REAL solution to our problems, Im sure most would agree.

    And best of all, we can recycle you afterwards. Since you are 95% bullshit by mass, we can use your carcass for fertilizer. A win-win. And with you gone, the resources you help free up could be re-directed towards making asteroid mining a practical reality.

  10. Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 17th May 2020 12:04 pm 

    “Well I am off to my local hydrogen filling station. They are now everywhere, so easy to find just look in the yellow pages under “out of thin air hydrogen filling stations.” I load up on the thin air hydrogen and you can too. Just ask your imaginary friend to direct you. Thin air hydrogen, Clean Green, Sustainable, Renewable, brought to you by the transitioning new and improved industrial civilization.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5_WhFQSmqA

    Netherlands hydrogen stations:

    2018 – 15
    2025 – 50
    2030 – 200

    Norway:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I5vYcbf3Yc

    Denmark (6 years ago):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjGaNGhz1pE

    Japan:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd0WMAYi898

  11. DT on Sun, 17th May 2020 12:17 pm 

    Yes of course the ubiquitous hydrogen fuel filling stations they are everywhere soon to be found in the Netherlands. In other news, “The few models of hydrogen-fueled cars that are commercially available generally cost more than $100,000. Researchers are still tweaking the technology to produce and transport hydrogen fuel. Thus, fueling stations are limited, making the cost of hydrogen fuel vary widely.” https://itstillruns.com/cost-hydrogen-vs-gas-6160895.html

  12. Davy on Sun, 17th May 2020 12:23 pm 

    “The key is population reduction.” “EXACTLY, cloggedsphincter. Ive been saying this for years myself. And now that jew, I mean you are on-board as well, I nominate you to take the charge of the population reduction initiative. I cant think of anyone better.”

    Is this the shit taught in Western Canadian schools or just an anomaly from a retched person like you annoymouse?

    “There is no better way to lead, than to lead by example. So, in the interests providing a better FUTURE(tm) for all us, would you please off yourself as soon as possible?”

    No, shit please annoy off yourself at least off this forum because you do not serve a purpose.

    “Some suggestions -Gun. Fast and relatively painless provided you dont miss. I suggest not aiming for your head, as it is not a vital organ.”

    I bet you never touched one in your life being a Asperger dork type

    “-The highway. Even with reduced traffic Im sure you can steer your electric scooter into the path of an oncoming 18 wheeler, bus w/o too much trouble. Or better yet, an Autonomous car that isnt smart enough to stop when you roll out in front of it. That would be funny as shit actually.”

    This would be a way for you to off yourself.

    “-Gravity. You could just pull yourself out of your mobility scooter and fling yourself, or drive off any nearby bridge. Better still, a wind turbine if you can manage the logistics of that somehow.”

    Another great way to rid the world of the annoyturd

    “Those are a just a ways YOU can help ease the strain and budren on the planet you are imposing cloggedsphintcter. Voluntary self-cloggtermination is the best and indeed its the only REAL solution to our problems, Im sure most would agree.”

    My god you are an idiot when you talk. I think you are actually worse than the lunatic juanPee.

    “And best of all, we can recycle you afterwards. Since you are 95% bullshit by mass, we can use your carcass for fertilizer. A win-win. And with you gone, the resources you help free up could be re-directed towards making asteroid mining a practical reality.”

    Stupid dork talk.

  13. Davy on Sun, 17th May 2020 12:33 pm 

    “Netherlands hydrogen stations:
    2018 – 15
    2025 – 50
    2030 – 200”

    nothingburger

  14. JuanP is stupid on Sun, 17th May 2020 12:42 pm 

    Re: Opening up the economy
    Unread postby JuanP » Sun 17 May 2020, 11:50:36

    “Sweden’s Coronavirus strategy will soon be the world’s”
    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles … -be-worlds

    “Time to end the lockdowns and quarantines?
    Only Americans can hurt America.”

    Another stupid attempt by JuanP to show his face on the moderated side and a poor one at that. Can you elaborate more stupid?

  15. Anonymouse on Sun, 17th May 2020 1:03 pm 

    Look cloggjude, its your ‘white’ knight, the excpetionalturd. Right on time, as usual. Its like he has an alarm rigged to his Iphone that warns him whenever his boyfriend is having a rough time on the internets, or something.

    While Im sure appreciates you riding in on your ass to save him in his hour of need, you really, werent being asked for your worthless opinion dumbass.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmECKxHi0zg

  16. Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 17th May 2020 1:14 pm 

    “Yes of course the ubiquitous hydrogen fuel filling stations they are everywhere soon to be found in the Netherlands. In other news, “The few models of hydrogen-fueled cars that are commercially available generally cost more than $100,000. Researchers are still tweaking the technology to produce and transport hydrogen fuel. Thus, fueling stations are limited, making the cost of hydrogen fuel vary widely.”“

    Never said that. In Europe the completion of the 100% renewable energy transition is planned for 2050. It’s a gigantic task, that can’t be done with cynicism and short term thinking.

  17. Davy on Sun, 17th May 2020 1:16 pm 

    Poor widdle annoy, he is triggered but daddy Mak is not around to encourage him. His lunatic buddy JuanP is no help either. Lol, annoy, please off yourself by any means preferably the most degrading so as to fit your persona.

  18. SocialRevolutionComing on Sun, 17th May 2020 1:17 pm 

    Cannot be done too late. It is time for European to either immigrate South of prepare to die.

  19. Anonymouse on Sun, 17th May 2020 1:24 pm 

    poor widdle exceptionaltard, sticking his nose where its doesn’t belong, as usual, and is all bent out of shape at being told to hit the road.

    Why haven’t you been banned yet for creating fake accounts, spam posts, and impersonating intelligent posters? Think you are overdue for that permanent ban we’ve all been requesting for you…

  20. Davy on Sun, 17th May 2020 2:01 pm 

    Annoy, you must be very triggered today making so many rebutted. Did I hurt your widdle feeling? You are
    such an Asperger dork type. I love when you get upset.

  21. JuanP is stupid on Sun, 17th May 2020 2:03 pm 

    This is fucknut juanPee:

    SocialRevolutionComing on Sun, 17th May 2020 1:17 pm

    Cannot be done too late. It is time for European to either immigrate South of prepare to die.

  22. Anonymouse on Sun, 17th May 2020 2:21 pm 

    exceptionalturd, you must be very triggered at being neutered. You always break out your fake sock, JunaP pink rabbit version when you get your ass kicked.

  23. Davy on Sun, 17th May 2020 2:29 pm 

    LMFAO, JuanP steals his buddy annoy’s ID to attack a common foe. You see why I link you two retched people together:

    exceptionalturd, you must be very triggered at being neutered. You always break out your fake sock, JunaP pink rabbit version when you get your ass kicked.”

  24. DT on Sun, 17th May 2020 2:38 pm 

    The “cynicism and short term thinking” way is not my way. Reality and fact based life is how I live. Hydrogen is not a fuel source, fact. Hydrogen is not cost effective as a fuel source, fact. Commercial hydrogen now available on the open market is a product of natural gas, fact. Hydrogen as an energy carrier (only way found) always takes more energy inputs than what one can get out, fact. All above points equal the realities of hydrogen.

  25. JuanP is stupid on Sun, 17th May 2020 2:41 pm 

    A known jaunPee sock outed many times

    DT on Sun, 17th May 2020 2:38 pm

  26. Anonymouse on Sun, 17th May 2020 2:44 pm 

    A known delusional nutter (and ID thief\sock idiot and stalker), many times over.

    ddavy is stupid on Sun, 17th May 2020 2:41 pm

  27. Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 17th May 2020 2:55 pm 

    “Hydrogen is not a fuel source, fact.”

    Open door, nobody claims it is. It’s a STORAGE medium.

    “Hydrogen is not cost effective as a fuel source, fact.”

    Make up your mind whether hydrogen is a fuel source or not.

    “Commercial hydrogen now available on the open market is a product of natural gas, fact.”

    Mostly yes, but not necessarily. In Europe they are busy scaling it up:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2020/04/23/multiplhy-multi-mw-high-temperature-electrolyser/

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2019/11/11/port-of-rotterdam-to-build-largest-green-hydrogen-plant-in-europe/

    “Hydrogen as an energy carrier (only way found) always takes more energy inputs than what one can get out, fact.”

    True. Your point?

  28. Anonymouse is triggered on Sun, 17th May 2020 2:59 pm 

    A known delusional nutter (and ID thief\sock idiot and stalker), many times over.

    annoy is stupid on Sun, 17th May 2020 2:44 pm

  29. DT on Sun, 17th May 2020 2:59 pm 

    My point? You skipped the last line. All above points equal the realities of hydrogen.

  30. JuanP is stupid on Sun, 17th May 2020 3:07 pm 

    DT on Sun, 17th May 2020 2:59 pm

    This is a know juanPee sock. disregard and comments by DT

  31. Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 17th May 2020 3:12 pm 

    “All above points equal the realities of hydrogen.“

    I skipped it because it is an empty, meaningless sentence.

    Hydrogen is in broad circles world-wide seen as a major storage medium candidate for a renewable energy base of the future.

    None of your rambling points debunk that.

  32. DT on Sun, 17th May 2020 3:25 pm 

    OH really, where pray tell in the world is hydrogen available and used by the general public for the purpose of being “a major storage medium”? The fact and reality in fact, nowhere.

  33. JuanP is stupid on Sun, 17th May 2020 4:07 pm 

    DT on Sun, 17th May 2020 3:25 pm

    Dumbass JuanP can’t even carry an energy thread

  34. PO.com Moderator on Sun, 17th May 2020 4:44 pm 

    Davy is Stupid on Sun, 17th May 2020 4:07 pm

    This is a known Davy sock. Disregard any comments by JuanP is stupid.

    We are currently tracking Davy’s frequent ID thefts and Sock puppeting.

  35. SocialRevolutionComing on Sun, 17th May 2020 4:49 pm 

    This is so funny. I came back from a bike ride. Not one person was wearing a mask. Nobody was practising physical distancing.

    And now people are refusing to send their young kids back to school. The government in Quebec seems in disarray and governmental officials seem scared. Funny as hell.

    On one Youtube channel about Quebec COVID situation, my comments are deleted. Total panic, they are have loss control of the narrative.Too funny.

    Go read the news about UK on youtube, Put UK news in the search bar and sort by latest date. Nobody in UK believe that COVID is deathly.

    As always, the elite, rich people, globalists are just fucking pathetic scum that feed upon other people work and labour They never get anything right and failed at everything. They failed with this COVID-hoax.

  36. makati1 on Sun, 17th May 2020 5:49 pm 

    Anon, Davy is desperate for attention. Even his favorite nanny goat is shunning him these days.

  37. makati1 on Sun, 17th May 2020 5:52 pm 

    BTW: It is another sunny Monday morning here and the stores are all open again in our area.

    I’m now going tp check on world events and see how much farther down the slippery slope, to the 3rd world, the dying Amerika has slipped over-nite. There is no up for the nation under house arrest. Only down.

  38. makati1 on Sun, 17th May 2020 6:01 pm 

    Anon, JuanP is desperate for attention. Even his favorite hamster is shunning him these days.

  39. makati1 on Sun, 17th May 2020 6:03 pm 

    BTW: It is another shity Monday morning here and the stores are all closed again in our area.

    I’m now going to check on world events and see how much farther down the slippery slope, to the 3rd world, the dying China has slipped over-nite. There is no up for the nation under house arrest. Only down.

  40. SocialRevolutionComing on Sun, 17th May 2020 7:15 pm 

    Healthcare workers turn their backs on Belgium’s prime minister

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHhNWdUKVxw

    A lot of tension in US, UK, Canada, Europe. People know that have been lied. Most people known now.

    Protest against lock down.
    2 protest in Germany, 1 Spain, 1 Poland, 1 UK.

    Rumours are that Canada Post, National post service, has gone bankrupt.

  41. Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 18th May 2020 2:11 am 

    It’s possible to be both right-wing and green. Our Great Machimo Lider Elon Musk shows the way:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8329605/Elon-Musk-tweets-red-pill-linked-alt-right-awakening-congratulated-Ivanka-Trump.html

    “Elon Musk tweets right-wing ‘take the red pill’ meme and is praised by Ivanka Trump before both are slammed by creator of the Matrix films”

  42. Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 18th May 2020 2:15 am 

    “Healthcare workers turn their backs on Belgium’s prime minister”

    Belgium is the worst hit country of them all, worse than UK, US, Spain or Italy.

    Population: 11.5 million
    Deaths: 9000

    On the US scale that would be 300k rather than 82k. On the UK scale that would be 60k rather than 35k.

  43. Anonymouse on Mon, 18th May 2020 2:21 am 

    Its possible to be both autistic and string together properly constructed sentences yet still mange to say nothing at all. Our great jude cloggedsphincter shows the way:

    htttp//:dailyjews.alex.jewnes.blahblah.hydrogenbyakyakyakduuuuhhhtrump.brrrrr.googlerobocarselonmuskspaceXftw

  44. Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 18th May 2020 3:15 am 

    Do I hear a stalking Llama shitting?

  45. anon on Mon, 18th May 2020 3:16 am 

    and next up we’ll have magic fairy dust made from ground up unicorn horns pulverized in fusion-powered laboratories on mars….

  46. Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 18th May 2020 3:25 am 

    Financieel Dagblad (Dutch Financial Times) about Corona (May 16):

    “Despite hard blow, the Netherlands gets away graciously”

    Contraction Q1 is big (-1.7%), but far less than other Euro-countries (average -3.8%).

    Worst are Italy, France, Spain with -5%.

    Reason: “mild, intelligent lock-down”.

    Nevertheless, Q2 will be worse than Q1.

  47. Theedrich on Mon, 18th May 2020 5:51 pm 

    Quoth the Yidbox: end evolution Negroidally. The last prez was deified ONLY because he was a Negro.  Never mind his stupidity.  His academic “honors” were nothing but glorification dictated by affirmative action.  Ditto his Nobel Prize for Peace, conferred before he had been in office for more than a week or so.  The whole charade had nothing to do with the spear chucker;  it was due strictly to the neurosis of White guilt.

    The fantasy of original sin and resulting eternal White culpabilty is a berserk consequence of Christianity, especially the Protestant Reformation version with its sola scriptura (loosely translated, “Only the Bible matters”) idiocy, also adopted by Catholicism.  This twisted dogma is now leading the West to genosuicide.  If any form of survival is possible, it will be only through jettisoning that age-old madness.  Western religion must adjust to reality, not vice versa.  Reversal of average Western IQ to African levels through mulattoization is the way to death.

    Otherwise, the end is indeed nigh.

  48. Abraham van Helsing on Tue, 19th May 2020 3:13 am 

    Memory hole again, try again:

    Getting rid of Christianity has become a matter of life-and-death for Europeans. How? Reorientation towards classical antiquity:

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2019/07/28/alain-de-benoist-on-being-a-pagan/

    http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/search/?query=nietzsche

    [part 1]

  49. Abraham van Helsing on Tue, 19th May 2020 3:15 am 

    In Europe, organized Christianity is already as dead as a brick. The pope only has appeal to Africans and increasingly Chinese.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ByE9bktZQE

    [part 2]:

  50. Abraham van Helsing on Tue, 19th May 2020 3:17 am 

    Unbelievable trouble getting this posted:

    “The Mission of the Identitarian Movement in Europe”

    Very similar to the US alt-right. The last thing we need is petty nationalism (“Brexit”), but instead a pan-European new right movement, which includes Russia. The best docs can be found in the French New Right. The ultimate goal is a “Polar Alliance”/”Culture circle”, Eurosphere.

    [part 3]

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