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We’re Dumb about Exponential Growth. That’s Proving Lethal

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Gradually, and then suddenly. That’s how exponential growth can ruin your day, undo your family, evaporate your economy, destroy your climate, crush an empire and destabilize a planet.

Consider the performance of COVID-19.

In June a 30-year-old male attended a “COVID party” in San Antonio, Texas.

At a COVID party, the host has tested positive. He or she then does not sit down with a math primer to understand how many human dominoes they might cause to fall. Nor does the host watch this handy video which, in three short minutes, explains the deadly implications of exponential growth of infection.

WATCH: A mathematician explains the power of exponential growth to spread the coronavirus at increasing speed throughout a population if unchecked by social distancing and other measures.

No, at a COVID party the host invites others to come over and mingle, have a few drinks, test fate, laugh in the face of reality.

The 30-year-old male who came to the COVID party died several weeks later, but not before he made a brief confession to the nurse attending him. “I think I made a mistake, I thought this was a hoax, but it’s not.”

That’s how exponential growth can ruin your day.

The percentage of people testing positive for COVID-19 in Texas has risen steeply in recent weeks. Up to 22 per cent of tests showed positive in the San Antonio area in July.

The exponential function is all about growth, and growth follows a logical curve. It can be linear or exponential. Linear is what children do as they grow in weight. Or what stalagmites do as they grow with dripping water.

But exponential growth looks like a jet taking off. It is rapid and explosive and follows a geometric progression. It is often about doubling times.

After China reported its first case in December of what was later identified as COVID-19, it took 67 days to reach the first 100,000 global cases.

No big deal, we thought.

It then took 11 days to make the next 100,000 cases.

Now the world reports 250,000 cases every day and this pandemic has just gotten started.

When the numbers are small, we ignore them and underestimate the threat.

As a self-important species, we also tend to ignore small things. We don’t respect organisms such as bacteria and viruses, because they are tiny and come with unrecognizable brands. But it takes less time for a micro-organism or insect to double its population than it does humans.

Why this blindness? Humans have trouble imagining a small number becoming a tsunami. Our imaginations stop at the threshold of chaos and go blank.

Years ago, Albert Bartlett, a gentle Colorado physicist with wild hair, tried to convince people that the greatest shortcoming of the human race was its “inability to understand the exponential function.”

Bartlett gave hundreds of lectures on the topic with lots of potent examples.

The good city councillors of Boulder, Colorado, Bartlett’s hometown, thought it a modest goal to want their picturesque city to grow at rates between one and five per cent.

Bartlett did the exponential math for them. In the course of 70 years, a five-per-cent growth rate would turn a city of 100,000 located in a pretty mountain valley into a hellhole of 3.2 million people, with no night sky or open spaces.

To illustrate the perils further, the physicist usually began his talk with a famous story. Different versions claim ancient Arabic, Indian and Chinese origins.

A clever man invented a chessboard and presented the gift to a powerful king or emperor. Pleased by the gift, the ruler asked the inventor what he wanted in return.

The inventor placed one grain of wheat or rice on the first square and asked the king to double the number of grains on every square.

What a nitwit, thought the king. “I was prepared to offer the man a bag of gold and all he wants are a few silly grains.”

The king, like most of us, was innumerate — not truly understanding of important mathematical principles. He certainly was blind to the exponential function and its long and deadly tail.

One grain became two, and two became four, and four became eight. At the end of the first row, a pile of 128 grains had accumulated. The king just smiled as bowls of grain became barrels of grain.

By the middle of the fourth row the grains totaled 2.1 billion, and there was no room in the castle. The king grew nervous. If he had honoured the inventor’s exponential request, the kingdom would have had to surrender 9.2 quintillion grains — about 2,000 times current global production.

The king panicked. Either the inventor then lost his head, or he was appointed an economic advisor.

Some see only wealth and unlimited progress in the exponential function.

In 1999 Ray Kurzweil, a technology guru and computer scientist, invented a new expression: “The second half of the chessboard.”

By the second half, he meant the point where exponential growth takes on a life of its own, and “its impacts become massive, things get crazy, and the acceleration starts to elude most humans’ imagination and grasp,” explained Bruno Giussani, the European director of TED, in a 2017 Edge article.

Kurzweil celebrates the exponential growth of robotics and artificial intelligence. Like the Texan on his way to his first COVID party, Kurzweil shrugs and says to himself, it’s all good.

He’s right about the exponential growth of technologies. It took the telephone 75 years to conquer 50 million people, and computers just 14 years to command the same number. But it only took Pokemon Go just 14 days to dominate the imaginations of 50 million consumers.

Smartphones have also followed an exponential trajectory. It took the instrument but 16 years to order the lives of one billion people. But it took only four years for the addictive gadget to infect, engineer and monitor the habits of two billion humans.

Kurzweil believes the sheer abundance of exponential technologies (everything from face recognition to bioengineering) will eventually charm the human world with exponential progress. This digital pandemic will create an artificial rapture leading to “the singularity.”

In the singularity, man and machine will meld into one clever being. Our immortal software-based clones will be too busy playing God to play chess.

But the second half of the chessboard has been and always will be a dangerous and fragile place. COVID-19 is showing this in the United States, Brazil, Italy, Mexico and India.

Meanwhile, the exponential function accelerates the relentless growth of energy consumption, the power of biological invasions and the peril of climate disruption.

About 300 years ago the human population went on an exponential ride thanks to the proliferation of fossil fuels, which allowed an increasing number of people to eat, drink and spend like kings.

It took roughly 300 years for human population to double from 500 million to roughly one billion in 1804. It took 110 years to double to 1.8 billion. Then things went wild, taking only 60 years to hit 3.6 billion. And then just 45 years to hit 7.3 billion in 2017.

The consumption patterns driven by nearly eight billion people have created an exponential assault on the Earth’s finite resources.

In 1900, the globe dug up seven billion tonnes of coal, iron, fish, wood fertilizer and aluminum to keep the economy humming. By 2000, the economy consumed 49 billion tonnes of materials from the Earth. Now we carelessly extract 90-billion tonnes and plan to double that every 30 to 40 years. The global chessboard is groaning.

Exponential growth again explains why there will be more plastic than fish in the ocean by 2050, and why small particles of plastic can now be found in many vegetables.

When confronted with exponential growth, a gardener can attack every dandelion or thistle as they rise. Or they can watch their garden quickly become a kingdom of weeds.

Exponential growth gives people two basic choices: act early or be overwhelmed. It then follows its own logic: things will initially get worse even when good actions are taken before they improve.

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A classic example of how exponential growth sneaks up on us, then explodes, is how lily pads, doubling every day, ever-accelerate in covering a pond. It’s explained in this video at 2:33.

But the good news is this: small interventions (such as wearing a mask) can often have a much larger effect than we can imagine. When we take action to reduce the rate by which the virus multiplies, we put the brakes on exponential growth.

(If you are warming to this topic and want to invest eight minutes in watching a video that explains how to head off exponential growth of COVID-19, click here. It includes the classic example of how lily pads cover a pond by reproducing once a day. On day two, you have two lily pads. On day four, you have eight. If it takes 60 days to cover the pond completely, on what day will just one per cent of the pond be covered? Day 54. Even five days later, with just one day to go, the pond is just half-covered. Then on the final day the pond becomes completely choked. Gradually, and then suddenly.)

If the principle of exponential growth is so fundamental, why don’t we build it into precautionary policies? Why is it so hard for us to collectively act in our own self-interest?

In his very numerate book Growth: From Microorganisms to Megacities, Vaclav Smil partly explains why:

“Growth of individual devices or systems follows confined trajectories, but we are assured that there is no need to worry because perpetual streams of innovations initiate new ascents and keep the escalator rising. A disproportionate share of people in charge of national policies are economists, lawyers and techno-optimists who do not doubt this narrative and who rarely think about the biosphere’s indispensability for the survival of the human societies…. No government has advocated moderate, subdued economic growth as its priority.”

In his wonderful novel on friends and marriage, Crossing to Safety, Wallace Stegner offers a more literate illustration of the power of the exponential function in our everyday lives.

“You can plan all you want to. You can lie in your morning bed and fill whole notebooks with schemes and intentions. But within a single afternoon, within hours or minutes, everything you plan and everything you have fought to make yourself can be undone as a slug is undone when salt is poured on him. And right up to the moment when you find yourself dissolving into foam you can still believe you are doing fine.”

Gradually, and then suddenly.

That’s how exponential growth undoes us like a Texan at a COVID party.

The Tyee

 



62 Comments on "We’re Dumb about Exponential Growth. That’s Proving Lethal"

  1. forbin on Sun, 16th Aug 2020 7:38 am 

    “who rarely think about the biosphere’s indispensability ”

    why ? this hippie thing has been going on since the 60’s . Can’t think of a single reason why they would not have worried about the so called biosphere.

    maybe they have realised that it’s like George Carling said ” the planet is fine, the people are ****! , BIG DIFFERENCE ! ”

    I also note that either party has been in charge over those years, yet little changed……

    Going to change this November ? huh! Meet the new boss , same as the old boss .

    Forbin

  2. Sissyfuss on Sun, 16th Aug 2020 9:05 am 

    Learned of the exponential function in high school from being a math wiz with no love for math. Erlich was a proponent of it and I was a proponent of him. Now I’m a proponent of human die-off to save the biospere but no one is volunteering. What a sad, hopeless world we have created with our hubris and our greed.

  3. Duncan Idaho on Sun, 16th Aug 2020 9:34 am 

    “When George W. Bush ran for president, Molly Ivins warned readers not to let “Shrub” and his gang of vigilantes anywhere near Washington, D.C. He would do to the country what he did to Texas. Trump and his henchmen are doing to it what he did to his casinos in Atlantic City.”

  4. Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 16th Aug 2020 9:45 am 

    “Now I’m a proponent of human die-off to save the biospere but no one is volunteering.”

    Apparently including you, as you still make a lot of noise.

    “What a sad, hopeless world we have created with our hubris and our greed.”

    Not to mention your cowardice to pull the plug.lol

    Meaningless virtue signaling.

    “Trump and his henchmen are doing to it what he did to his casinos in Atlantic City.”

    Did the casinos fall apart?

  5. Canuck on Sun, 16th Aug 2020 1:39 pm 

    Americans should elect someone who will value life, liberty and so on. The Leftists are the biggest threat to America.

  6. makati1 on Sun, 16th Aug 2020 5:40 pm 

    “Gradually, and then suddenly.” describes the collapse of Amerika. It has been too gradual so TPTB decided to speed it up with a fake virus pandemic. ( Not to mention the insane presidential candidates on display and the whorehouse called Congress.)

    Annual deaths, all causes, in the US = ~3,000,000
    Annual deaths from the flu in the US = ~34,000
    Total deaths* from COVID-19 in the US to date = ~167,000*

    * Exaggerated number, padded and blown out of reality to justify the lock-down..

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
    https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-compared-seasonal-flu-in-the-us-death-rates-2020-3
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-14/coronavirus-update-brazil-russia-vaccine-usa-deadliest-day/12556686

    If you don’t see the real reason behind the current fiasco, you are really in denial, or just plain stupid.

  7. JuanP on Sun, 16th Aug 2020 5:43 pm 

    Mak, I am packing up and thinking about Asia. Do you have any recommendations? I know you like the P’s but I was considering Thailand.

  8. makati1 on Sun, 16th Aug 2020 5:45 pm 

    BTW: The three places the (US designed) virus hit (was released) almost simultaneously:

    China, to cripple their economy.
    Italy, the first EU country to sign on to the New Belt and Road plan.
    New York, to cripple the Amerikan economy.

    The Great Leveling is gaining sped.

  9. makati1 on Sun, 16th Aug 2020 5:48 pm 

    Thailand is good, but you should speak the language. At least some. But the US is stirring up the shit there all the time and may not be a good place for Amerikans in the future.

    I would love to visit there, but I don’t see it as a safe place at the moment. Do some on-line research.

  10. Duncan Idaho on Sun, 16th Aug 2020 6:13 pm 

    mak–
    I spent quite a bit of time in Thailand–
    It is easy, compared to El Salvador or Colombia in the 1970’s (which I spent quite a bit of time).
    Traveling alone, with limited knowledge of the language, things did get a bit spacey.
    Like the country, its great being in a place that is not contaminated by Christianity.
    Good food, beautiful women, ok drugs, all that lower karma stuff.
    But you need to get away, alone if you are able to do it.

  11. makati1 on Sun, 16th Aug 2020 6:16 pm 

    Duncan, when did you visit? If not in the last few years, you may find it very different.

  12. Duncan Idaho on Sun, 16th Aug 2020 6:33 pm 

    mak-
    It has been a while.
    I lived in Micronesia 4 times–
    I have friends who were there recently, and no problems– if anything they say is is quite a bit tamer.
    The planet has become very homogenized, with Nike T shirts everywhere.
    The game is about over.

  13. makati1 on Sun, 16th Aug 2020 6:43 pm 

    I would not bet on that Duncan. The game of US vs China is only heating up. If you stay in the tourist area you might like it but get off of that path and you might find a different Thailand.

    Living in Manila was quite different than living in the province. And here, in the Ps, most everyone likes Amerikans and speak English.

    Move there if you want, but I would visit for a few months first and get off the ‘path’.

  14. Duncan Idaho on Sun, 16th Aug 2020 7:05 pm 

    mak—
    These are experienced travelers—
    Not clueless ‘Merikins flying in from Houston.
    This is not El Salvador– its Thailand.
    But agree- if you are in Miami, it might not be your cup of tea.
    I’m back in The States after living in Mexico.
    Asia is not that hard, but I’m done with it.
    whatever, you seem comfortable in the PI.

  15. REAL Green on Sun, 16th Aug 2020 7:06 pm 

    “Mak, I am packing up and thinking about Asia.”

    Are borders are locked down Davy. And most countries won’t let Americans in any ways. Cus we fucked up so bad with cia-virus. And were headed for CW2. The hole world is laughing at are stupidity.

  16. makati1 on Sun, 16th Aug 2020 8:55 pm 

    It appears that the sock puppets are back, like Duncan, REAL, etc. Full of bullshit as usual. Ignore.

  17. Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 16th Aug 2020 11:25 pm 

    America-2020. Immigration lawyer from New Hampshire wants to visit her family in Texas NOW, because she fears that by November, travelling throughout the US no longer will be possible:

    https://youtu.be/ih_NxcNNVMo

    #RoadBlockCountry

    Some guy gives a preview about how CW2 will look like and where the flashpoints will be and how the political map of a balkanized America will look like:

    https://youtu.be/3eEay-2BCxk

  18. Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 2:33 am 

    Denmark has a leftist government that DISLIKES immigrants.

    https://jacobinmag.com/2019/12/denmark-ghetto-plan-social-democrats-mette-frederiksen/

    “Denmark’s Shameful Ghetto Plan”

    As soon as we in Europe finally get rid of the Great Satan, if necessary with the aid of China, we can have the trains rolling again, this time to the South.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/08/15/900874510/facing-eviction-residents-of-denmarks-ghettos-are-suing-the-government

    “Facing Eviction, Residents Of Denmark’s ‘Ghettos’ Are Suing The Government”

    CW2 means the liberation of Europe from ZOG, the worst disaster in the history of Europe.

  19. Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 4:23 am 

    Japan annualized -28% in Q2:

    https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/coronakrise-japans-wirtschaft-schrumpft-im-rekordtempo-a-e440ff50-6901-46a7-82ad-481477b12276

    “UK vows not to agree to alignment on EU rules as negotiating team gears up to resume Brexit talks tomorrow”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8633787/UK-vows-not-agree-alignment-EU-rules-negotiating-team-gears-resume-Brexit-talks.html

    Please. Go. WTO tariffs is good enough for anti-European defectors. Go team up with Singapore, or Turkey or Congo. Whatever.

    https://www.eurocanadian.ca/2020/08/what-right-wing-political-party-canada-must-do-to-succeed.html#more

    “On What A Right-Wing Political Party In Canada Must Do To Succeed”

    Thoughts on being a successful right-wing Canadian.

  20. zero juan on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 4:56 am 

    JuanPee, it is not too late to stop your madness. You have ruined this form with selfish behavior.

    The All New Supertard JuanP this site is destroyed because of supertard socks i made a mistake making the socks supertards and they multiplied out of proprotion i shouldd leave them alone and only appoint real supertard said oh well, this site is done, may as well spread som…

    REAL Green said “I am very sorry for being an asshole, asskisser,…

    REAL Green said “Mak, I am packing up and thinking about Asia.” Ar…

  21. Davy on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 5:00 am 

    “Some guy gives a preview about how CW2 will look like and where the flashpoints will be and how the political map of a balkanized America will look like:”

    cloggo, your Anglo derangement and obsession with a CW2 is endless. As usual little you obsess about happens. We need only look to Brexit to see that. You whine about Brexit very little anymore thank God.

  22. Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 5:02 am 

    Death Valley, 54.5 C, highest temperature measured in an American desert ever and perhaps even in the world:

    https://www.ed.nl/buitenland/54-5-graden-gemeten-in-californie-mogelijk-hoogste-temperatuur-ooit~a3092245/

    Older “records” date from 1922 in Libya. But Africa and science, well…

  23. Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 5:17 am 

    “your Anglo derangement and obsession with a CW2 is endless. As usual little you obsess about happens. We need only look to Brexit to see that. You whine about Brexit very little anymore thank God.”

    Like a true ostrich he is hiding his head in the sand for things that could very well materialize soon, like in a matter of months. There is no easy way out from the conflict that is building up, other than an early leftist secession. A bit like Slovenia that escaped first from Yugoslavia and managed to survive the civil war unscathed, very much unlike Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia. Perhaps California (and New York) can mimic Slovenia, but that is probably it. Texas will probably one of the several hot spots for major conflict.

    But umpire dave is not interested in reality, only in self-serving propaganda.

    Oh and I never “whined” about Brexit, I just documented it and supported it as an essential ingredient in breaking down the post-WW2 Anglo-Zionist order, that is killing white people around the globe.

    #InsertNahtziGrinHere

    https://i1.wp.com/bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/dead-snow-3.jpg?resize=740%2C443&ssl=1

    An ever growing number of white Americans have come to the conclusion that ZOG doesn’t serve their survival interests and are preparing to leave (as in: escape). They are going to lose the comfortable planetary pole position and the dollar reserve currency (that’s reserved for a united Europe), but at least they can save their white a**** and join European mainstream. It is better to live in a 30k/capita country (#Slovenia) than living under the whip of darkies.

  24. Davy on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 5:21 am 

    “Massive Stimulus Does Not Prevent Eurozone Slowdown”
    https://www.dlacalle.com/en/massive-stimulus-does-not-prevent-eurozone-slowdown/?utm_source=feedly&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=massive-stimulus-does-not-prevent-eurozone-slowdown

    “The ECB balance sheet has risen to 53.9% of GDP in July 2020. This compares to a 32% of the Federal Reserve and 33% of the Bank of England. This means a 1.78 trillion euro increase year-to-date. Furthermore, excess liquidity has soared to 2.9 trillion euro, a 1.2 trillion increase since January. Added to this unprecedented monetary stimulus, the Eurozone has included a record-high 10% of GDP in various fiscal stimulus programmes. None of it has prevented the economy from showing signs of slowing down in August…The reason is evident. All the Eurozone monster stimulus is focused on perpetuating bloated government budgets and incentivising non-economic return or subsidized spending. The entire European Recovery Fund is clearly aimed at promoting white elephants disguised as green projects, but what is more concerning is that the Eurozone green deal includes more taxes and measures to prevent demand growth than productivity-enhancing plans. This lesson should have been learnt in 2009. The European Union launched its massive Growth and Jobs Plan, which rose to more than 1.5% of the EU GDP, and the economy did not improve, while more than 4.5 million jobs were lost. The problem of these massive stimulus is that they benefit the wrong parts of the economy. Current government spending in entitlements and subsidies, massive deficits and the corporations that take advantage of the massive private bond purchases and liquidity injections are the large multinationals and national champions that did not have any problem accessing markets in the past.”

  25. Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 5:32 am 

    Where would we be without Eindhoven?

    My home town has the ambition to create a new World Wonder by LIFTING an entire church… this one…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkcaLLUvN7I

    …several tens of meters and put it on top of a high rise building.

    https://www.ed.nl/eindhoven/eerste-studie-naar-optillen-catharinakerk-in-eindhoven~a22e0c1f/

    The local technical university says it can be done, in principle. In Amsterdam there is experience with lifting an entire department store (de Bijenkorf), albeit only 1 cm, for making way for a metro.

    https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Bijenkorf_(Amsterdam)

    To be continued.

  26. Davy on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 5:36 am 

    cloggo, you remind me of the kid in kindergarten who endlessly brags about himself and talks down anyone else who looks good. You got personality issues you need looked into.

  27. Davy on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 5:40 am 

    “Number of migrants landing in Italy more than doubles in past year”
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-italy-migrants-minister/number-of-migrants-landing-in-italy-more-than-doubles-in-past-year-idUSKCN25B0SO

    “ROME (Reuters) – The number of migrants landing on Italy’s shores has more than doubled in the last year as an economic crisis in Tunisia fuels migration in boats across the Mediterranean, Interior Minister Luciana Lamorgese said on Saturday.”

  28. Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 5:41 am 

    Automatic driving comes to Eindhoven Airport:

    https://www.ed.nl/eindhoven/op-eindhoven-airport-rijdt-de-koffer-straks-zelf-naar-het-vliegtuig~ad1c07de/

    After check-in your coffer will drive itself to the correct airplane. It already works since two years at Rotterdam Airport, the first in the world. Company: Vanderlande

    https://www.vanderlande.com/references/eindhoven-airport/

  29. Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 5:45 am 

    “Number of migrants landing in Italy more than doubles in past year”

    Numbers: tens of thousands or a million in half a century. Peanuts on 640 million Europeans.

    Once the globalist US overlord and their EU vassals will have bitten the dust, this trickle will completely stop and the hundreds of thousands of asylum tourists, all fighting age young males, who entered since 2015, will be sent back.

    Europe has no talent for multicult, call us fascists.

  30. Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 5:54 am 

    Trumpie considering pardoning Snowden:

    https://www.geenstijl.nl/5154908/trump-the-merciful/

    Dutch national bean counters predict -5% GDP in 2020 and +3% in 2021. In the middle of 2022 we’ll be back in pre-Corona territory:

    https://www.geenstijl.nl/5154910/cpb-economie-komt-er-een-soort-van-bovenop/

    If there is going to be a 2nd wave, all bets are off.

    Unemployment will rise from 3% in 2019 to 6% in 2021 (rosy scenario) or 11% (2nd wave)

  31. Davy on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 5:56 am 

    “The Most Revealing Poll Of All: Gun Sales”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/most-revealing-poll-all-gun-sales

    “In the first half of 2020, gun sales have increased by 95%, (ten million guns), ammunition sales are up by 139%. The numbers eclipse all of 2019. The highest increase is among black men and women, 58.2%.”

    What could possibly go wrong?

  32. the board on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 6:20 am 

    JuanP on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 5:56 am

    “The Most Revealing Poll Of All: Gun Sales”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/most-revealing-poll-all-gun-sales
    “In the first half of 2020, gun sales have increased by 95%, (ten million guns), ammunition sales are up by 139%. The numbers eclipse all of 2019. The highest increase is among black men and women, 58.2%.” What could possibly go wrong?”

    JuanPee, tell us about your Taurus. I am surprised you have not mouth it with all your talk about depression and suicide!

  33. Davy on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 6:32 am 

    “JuanPee, tell us about your Taurus.”

    juanPee drives a import the board. Just like us. We all know US cars are garbage.

  34. the board on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 6:52 am 

    JuanP on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 6:32 am

    “JuanPee, tell us about your Taurus.”

    “juanPee drives a import the board. Just like us. We all know US cars are garbage.”

    Here you go mentally ill gun freak:
    https://www.taurususa.com/firearms/pistols/

  35. the board on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 6:55 am 

    mental case, juanPee, I am surprised you have not posted a mindless comment on the moderated side to show all how smart you want everyone to believe you are. You also have not kissed any ass lately either in an attempt for you to find friendship in your sorry ass lonely life.

  36. REAL Green on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 7:10 am 

    The mods gave us a warning this morning over on the moderated side Davy.

  37. JuanP on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 7:12 am 

    Trump narrows gap with Biden, new poll shows
    A new national poll released on the eve of the two major political party conventions indicates Democratic challenger Joe Biden with a smaller lead over President Trump than most other live telephone operator surveys show.

    WHAT THE LATEST FOX NEWS POLL SHOWS IN THE WHITE HOUSE RACE

    The ticket of Biden and Sen. Kamala Harris of California – whom the former vice president and presumptive Democratic nominee named as his running mate last week – tops the ticket of Trump and Vice President Mike Pence 50%-46% among registered voters in a CNN survey conducted Aug. 12-15. The 4-point advantage for the Democratic ticket is right at the poll’s margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-narrowing-gap-with-biden-new-poll-shows

  38. the board on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 7:13 am 

    JuanP on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 7:10 am

    “The mods gave us a warning this morning over on the moderated side Davy.”

    juanPee, you are the only one I know of that was blocked for a period. That really took wind out of your sails.

  39. REAL Green on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 7:30 am 

    juanPPeePPee has us on ignore Davy. He can’t see are comments.

  40. Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 7:37 am 

    Vistra intends to build a giga-battery in California:

    https://www.wattisduurzaam.nl/28622/energie-opslaan/accus-batterijen/accu-met-6-000-mwh-opslagcapaciteit-vergund-in-californie/

    6000 MHh energy and 1500 MW power.

    That’s a battery that can deliver the output of a large 1.5 GW conventional power station for 4 hours.

    You have to give it to these lefties, they sure know how to f* up society, but at least they take renewable energy seriously.

  41. the board on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 8:12 am 

    JuanP on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 7:30 am

    “juanPPeePPee has us on ignore Davy. He can’t see are comments.”

    JuanP, you are so obsessed with everything Davy does that you don’t miss anything. In fact you copy and emulate him because you know he is brighter than you. Davy also post all moderated side JuanP comment moderation here on the unmoderated side for you to see. Welcome to hell troll. Nothing worse for a troll than to be trolled. Davy will take you down JuanP. Be patient!

  42. muzz news on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 12:32 pm 

    Splintered militants rejoin Pakistani Taliban, vow holy war

    harvesting muzz energy is green

  43. zero juan on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 12:49 pm 

    Forum clown:

    muzz news said Splintered militants rejoin Pakistani Taliban, vow…

    IFuckBrownDiversityInTheAss said I always appreciate StarvingLion comment. So I kee…

  44. the all new supertard juanap i just wnat to go live in third world on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 12:50 pm 

    On April 17, approximately 40 Islamic militants ambushed Filipino soldiers on the island of Jolo, killing 12 and wounding 13. The Defense Intelligence Agency described it as the deadliest attack by the extremists since the January 2019 suicide bombing of a cathedral there that killed 23, according to the report.

    china harvest muzz, china has no muzz attacks

  45. the all new supertard juanp this forum is ruined by supertard socks on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 12:57 pm 

    i shouldn’t have appointed any socks supertards. it’s all my fault

    Islamic State has gained its first outpost in southern Africa after the capture of strategic port in Mozambique

  46. zero juan on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 1:02 pm 

    Forum clown and asshole

    the all new supertard juanp this forum is ruined by supertard socks said i shouldn’t have appointed any socks superta…

    the all new supertard juanap i just wnat to go live in third world said On April 17, approximately 40 Islamic militants am…

  47. oxford is the center of muzz love thanks for teh nothingburger video on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 1:27 pm 

    be suspicious of whitey supertards scientific supremacist who use high british english exclusively

    like supertard thunderf00t

    he imposed self quarantine the first week that CONVICT-19 broke out. why isn’t he amputated?

    is supertard Abe calling for amputation of whitey supertard thunderf00t

    me thinks he’s in the payroll of yid media now

  48. supertard claes-19 actually i think i am mistaken i need to thank whitey supertard from oxford for teh video he speaks high british english exclusively on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 1:32 pm 

    he showed that the death rate for whitey supertards from CONVICT-19 is horrific. currently whitey supertards are dying due to convict at the rate of 2^n where n is too grate to type out here and it would take several years to type.

    i think the days of whitey supertards are coming to and end soon

    better take MUZZ-19 concocted in the basement of DROPOUT-19 using his seamen

  49. The idea behind all these suits is to establish and reinforce the principle that where Islamic law and American law conflict, it is American law that must give way. on Mon, 17th Aug 2020 1:47 pm 

    pb

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