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Kunstler: Yet Another Year of Magical Thinking

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A peculiar feature of the human condition is that a society in distress will call forth intellectual witch-doctors to put on a colorful show that distracts the supposedly thinking class from the insoluble quandaries that portend serious trouble ahead. This feature is on display these days in the person of freelance space pioneer Elon Musk. He intends to establish a human colony on Mars of one million people by 2040.

Musk, who is also developer of the Tesla line of electric cars and businesses that make solar-electric gear and batteries, has tested a series of space vehicles, most recently last week’s celebrated launch of his Falcon Heavy Rocket, said to be the most powerful in the world. It is just the precursor of the soon-to-come colossus Musk calls the BFR (“Big Fucking Rocket”) that will convey as many as 200 people at a time to their new home on the Red Planet.

NPR reporter Ari Shapiro was rhapsodizing about this “Space-X” project last week on the airwaves, lending it the media stamp-of-approval. And since NPR is a major news source for the US thinking class especially, you can be sure this meme of colonizing Mars is now embedded in the brains of the Pareto distribution (“the law of the vital few”) who affect to be thought leaders in this land.

There’s an old gag about the space race of yore that goes something like this (trigger warning to the ethnically hyper-sensitive):

The UN convenes a General Assembly session on space travel. The ambassadors of various nations are asked to talk about their space projects. The Russians and the Americans tick off their prior accomplishments and announce plans to explore the planets. Finally, the ambassador from Poland takes his turn at the rostrum. “We intend to land a man on the sun,” he declares. There is a great hubbub in the assembly, cries of “say, what…?” and “wait a minute now….” The Secretary-General turns to the Polish ambassador and says, “Your scientists must be out of their minds. It’s six thousand degrees up there! How can you possibly land a spacecraft on it?” A hush falls over the assembly. The Polish ambassador looks completely relaxed and serene. “We are going to do it at night!” he announces triumphantly.

NPR’s Shapiro interviewed blogger Tim Urban of the Wait But Why blog for the segment on Musk’s space program. Here’s a sample of their conversation:

URBAN: If humanity is, you know, like a precious photo album you’ve got, the Earth is like a hard drive you have it on. And any sane person would obviously back it up to a second hard drive. That’s kind of the idea here – is all of our eggs are currently on one planet. And if we can build a self-sustaining civilization on Mars, it’s much harder for humanity to go extinct.

SHAPIRO: And a million people is about how many people he thinks it would take for a population to be self-sustaining.

URBAN: Right, self-sustaining meaning if something catastrophic happened on Earth during some world war or something that has to do with, you know, a really bad-case scenario with climate change, maybe some – I don’t know – the species went extinct on Earth but ships stopped coming with supplies and anything else, a million people is enough that Mars’ population would be fine.

Not to put too fine a point on, I never heard so much fucking nonsense in my life. There’s absolutely nothing that might make Mars a “sustainable” habitat for human beings, or probably any other form of Earthly life. The journey alone would destroy human bodies. If you think that living in Honolulu is expensive, with most daily needs of the population shipped or flown in, imagine what it would be like sending a cargo of provisions (Doritos? Pepperoni sticks? Mountain Dew? Fabreeze?) to a million “consumers” up on Mars. Or do you suppose the colonists will “print” their food, water, and other necessities?

Elon Musk’s ventures have reportedly vacuumed in around $5 billion in federal subsidies. Mr. Musk is doing a fine job of keeping his benefactors entertained. Americans are still avid for adventures in space, where just about every other movie takes place. I suppose it’s because they take us away from the awful conundrums of making a go of it here on Earth, a planet that humans were exquisitely evolved for (or designed for, if you will), and which we are in the process of rendering uninhabitable for ourselves and lots of other creatures.

This is our home. Can we talk about the necessary adjustments and arrangements we have to make in order to continue the human project here? Just based on our performance on this blue planet, we are not qualified to infect other parts of the solar system.


41 Comments on "Kunstler: Yet Another Year of Magical Thinking"

  1. Sissyfuss on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 9:27 am 

    Tesla lost $2 billion last year and has never made a profit since going public in 2010. With his talent of losing money Musk should branch off into other endeavors. A perfect synthesis would be fracking on Mars. Investors would grow positively orgiastic over that.

  2. Ghung on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 10:45 am 

    “With his talent of losing money Musk should branch off into other endeavors.”

    Like SpaceX ?

  3. MASTERMIND on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 11:13 am 


    Fracking on mars! LOL

  4. MASTERMIND on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 11:15 am 

    Humans can’t live on Mars because the cosmic rays will fry your brain and cause chronic dementia and paranoia. And the technology and logistics haven’t advanced far enough either. (Limoli, 2016) (Do, 2016)

  5. asg70 on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 12:04 pm 

    “This is our home. Can we talk about the necessary adjustments and arrangements we have to make in order to continue the human project here?”

    Yes, lets. Kunstler, got any ideas or would you rather just whine?

  6. KillAllFeministMan on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 12:15 pm 

    Kunstler does not understand (maybe he does but does not dare to say it) how much the average people in western countries are borderline mentally retarded and lack any form of logical thought. This lack on intelligent is due to the degradation of the human genome causehe

    Dr John Sanford has written about this subject

    There is literally no hope for the human specie as each new generation of humans is stupider and physicality weaker then the previous generation.

    It is easier to give up hope like I did and welcome death as a cure to this freak cause by genetic entropy.

  7. Anonymouse1 on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 12:45 pm 

    Humanity cannot put ‘A’ man on Mars, let alone a million.(Matt Damon doesn’t count, sorry murika). Even putting one man on mars, would cost upwards of one trillion dollars and likely take a least two decades*, at a guesstimate.

    *And that is if everything went off w/o a glitch.

    Musk, is, to put in bluntly, a fraud, and a bit a prima-donna as well. His grandiose plans, fantasies really, sell as well as they do only because amerikants are individually, and collectively, the most scientifically literate and backwards collection of retards ever gathered in one place. The guy is a joke, and a heavily subsidized, over-publicized one at that. If musk is what retardmerka is pinning their hopes on, enjoy the ride down.

  8. MASTERMIND on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 2:11 pm 


    Here are three peer reviewed scientific studies authored by top experts that prove beyond any reasonable doubt that global civilization will collapse within the next decade.

    NASA Peer Reviewed Study: Industrial Civilization is Headed for Irreversible Collapse (Motesharrei, 2014)

    The Royal Society: Peer Reviewed Study, Now for the First Time A Global Collapse Appears Likely (Ehrlich, 2013)

    Peer Reviewed Study: Limits to Growth was Right. Research Shows We’re Nearing Global Collapse (Turner, 2014)

  9. MASTERMIND on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 2:39 pm 

    Amazon is cutting hundreds of jobs in a ‘rare’ move

  10. deadly on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 3:43 pm 

    Elon Musk can go fly a kite to Mars.

    Just who in the hell does he think he is? Anyhow?

    People won’t be able to live on Mars unless they exist in a controlled atmosphere. They will need air. Even if it can be condensed from the Martian atmosphere, you’re going to need the means to obtain the air to have enough.

    Elon needs to be among the first humans to leave earth to colonize Mars. If you want to talk the talk, you need to walk the walk. Have a nice trip. If you want to breathe the rarified air, you gotta be there to do it.

    At least there’s the Olympics, something, anything, the maelstrom of the malaise is just too much.

    Buy Mars

  11. Go Speed Racer on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 3:49 pm 

    Let’s go to Mars.
    Although there no trees to chop down,
    There’s lots of valleys we can
    fill up with garbage.

    And we can throw motor oil into the ravine.

    And rich guys who don’t pay taxes
    can launch rockets to fill up the
    Mars Orbits with space garbage.

    Hurry let’s go to Mars.

  12. pennzoilbill on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 4:37 pm 

    Quaid, start the reactor, free Mars. New worlders are always looking for a new frontier.

  13. Plantagenet on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 5:16 pm 

    Why wait to colonize Mars? It would be a lot cheaper to start building habitats in low earth orbit and on the moon now.


  14. Anonymouse1 on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 5:40 pm 

    I hope they do planetetard. We could ship Earths surplus retards into orbit. Out-of-sight, out-of-mind. Its not a perfect solution, but gotta start somewhere.

    Cherrio retard.

  15. Newfoundlander on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 1:31 am 

    Extreme wealth makes people extremely delusional. They are almost completely disconnected from reality.

  16. Davy on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 3:57 am 

    “Extreme wealth makes people extremely delusional. They are almost completely disconnected from reality.”

    Not all of them. I have known many wealthy over my many years and I have seen both. It is the wealthy who got wealthy through easy avenues that are delusional. People who grew up in wealth with no exposure to a real life of basic economic survival have issues. We also have the psychopaths who are mentally unsound who have pursued riches for their psychopathic reasons. Many rich who are self-made and highly intelligent are different. Many times they don’t even like all the chains that come from being wealthy. They often times have their separate normal life hidden from view. It is a mix just like many of the remainder of the population has their delusionals. There are plenty of delusionals on this board who live the deadly serious business of hate and resentment.

  17. Davy on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 4:23 am 

    “What’s Behind Global Inflation: China Creates A Record 2.9 Trillion New Loans In One Month”

    “According to one monetary theory, in a world in which China is the dominant creator of debt – which it has been since the financial crisis – it is also China that is the marginal creator of the global inflationary impulse. In which case, the latest Chinese new loan data helps explain the recent inflationary burst which judging my the recent market volatility has freaked out US traders, because according to the PBOC, in January China created a record CNY2900 billion in new loans ($458.3 billion), a striking rebound from the CNY2030 billion a year ago, and almost 1 trillion yuan above the CNY2000 expected. According to Reuters, the credit boom has been fueled “by strong economic growth, a robust property market and a crackdown on riskier shadow lending, which has forced banks to shift some loans back onto their balance sheets.” But mostly it has been forced by an implicit demand on Beijing to keep the global reflationary impulse strong at a time when the Fed is shrinking its balance sheet – a highly deflationary, if only for circulating monetary aggregates, exercise.”

  18. makati1 on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 5:00 am 

    “A disturbing trend has been going on for quite some time now, and that’s the destruction of free speech. Many college campuses even have safe spaces now, where certain speech is banned so college students can snuggle blankets….

    He goes on to say laws dictating what speech is acceptable, and what type of speech is not acceptable, are not designed to fix the problem. They are designed to divide the people and amplify the problems.?

    Divide and conquer. The Great Leveling continues…

  19. Anonymouse1 on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 5:06 am 

    Wealthy…..just how wealthy were these ‘friends’ dumbass? Let me guess, they were so rich they had a two hole outhouse? Or, maybe were they so rich they could afford kraft dinner twice a week?

    All seriousness aside dumbass, this elaborate, imaginary world you’ve created is getting a little of hand don’t you think?

  20. Davy on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 5:42 am 

    Canadian millennial waste case, did you stay up all night playing Xbox? Kinda early for a dumbass west coast Canadian to be up isn’t it? Damn, I slapped you good the other day. I have not seen you this bent out of shape for a long time. Let me guess my slapping plus you flunked your engineering exam or maybe mom told you to get a friggen job she is tired of you in the basement JO’ing.

  21. Davy on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 5:47 am 

    “Great Leveling continues…”

    billy, why not change your avatar identifier to “GREAT LEVELING”. You can save board space and time.

  22. Davy on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 6:13 am 

    Billy, any opinion on this report? Is this also a great leveling?

    “Philippines’ Duterte orders female communist fighters shot in the genitals, reports say”

    “Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte last week bragged that he had ordered troops to shoot female communist fighters in their vaginas, according to multiple reports, triggering a wave of criticism against the strongman when the remark was published Monday. “Tell the soldiers, ‘There’s a new order coming from the mayor,’” Duterte, a former mayor, told an audience of approximately 200 former rebels in Malacañang. “We won’t kill you. We will just shoot your vagina.’” “If there is no vagina, it would be useless,” Duterte added to laughter from the crowd, according to local reports.”

  23. Anonymouse1 on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 6:14 am 

    Why dont you self-admit yourself to the county nuthouse. You can save the board space and time(no internet access for lunatics).

  24. makati1 on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 6:43 am 

    Anon, Davy is a lost cause. Maybe he will do something stupid and get offed by his neighbors. He wouldn’t last a minute in real society.

    That is why I ignore him and don’t read his bullshit anymore. If everyone here did that, he would go away in frustration. He needs to bully. His parents should have used a condom that night.

    He cannot accept that there are places that are better than the shithole country he inhabits. Much better. I am in one and have been for 10 years. I guess I know more about the Ps than he ever can and I know I made the right decision.

  25. Davy on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 7:06 am 

    Wow, I got both board duchebags hot and bothered. This is friggen great! Sure you ignore me billy, until your support network comes out to help the old man across the street. I don’t think there are two more pathetic example of useless stupid then these to extremist nutters. Glad I stoke your day you two pussies.

  26. MASTERMIND on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 9:13 am 


    What a monster that Philippines dictator is! He is going to throw mad kat in the back of cattle car when society collapses! Without the good guys the USA policing the world..No telling to what the horrors will be..Anything is possible.

  27. george on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 9:53 am 

    We can’t even get back to the moon .

    So this asshole Musk thinks we can make it to Mars.

    Biggest confidence man in history.


  28. JuanP on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 10:31 am 

    Micromind “Without the good guys the USA policing the world.”
    You must be unbelievably stupid if you still fall for that crap! LOL!

  29. Dredd on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 11:52 am 

    Even the best of that magic thinking is old magic (On Thermal Expansion & Thermal Contraction – 33).

  30. Dredd on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 11:56 am 

    Kunstler be knowin’ …

  31. GregT on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 11:56 am 

    “Wow, I got both board duchebags hot and bothered.”

    “Glad I stoke your day you two pussies.”

    What’s with your fixation on the constant use of derogatory female genitalia remarks.

    Mommy issues?

  32. GregT on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 12:23 pm 

    “Billy, any opinion on this report? Is this also a great levelling?”

    “Philippines’ Duterte orders female communist fighters shot in the genitals, reports say”

    Faux News Davy? Seriously? If that isn’t a act of desperation, nothing is.

  33. Davy on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 1:00 pm 

    Widdle greggie comes to the aid of the gang. He is flexing his authority. Greggie, has to fight other people’s battles becuase he can’t pass up a chance to stalk and prick especially when he can also enable his buddies perverted extremism. Gregggie, you all are just showing your cunt hair when you gang bang. I can understand this from billy and the millennial waste case but you greggie act so tough. I guess you are just another pantie wearing pervert. Can’t you pussies take me on man to man?

  34. GregT on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 1:15 pm 


    Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Whether you like that or not, makes zero difference. There are plenty of ways to debate subjects, or to present opposing views, without resorting to name calling and immature tactics.

    Please, for the benefit of all the other people on this forum, try to keep your comments at least somewhat civilized.


  35. makati1 on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 5:58 pm 

    Some good news this AM:

    “Israeli Police Recommend Netanyahu Be Indicted For Bribery”

    “Bibi has responded, and – well – you see he was only stealing because it was in the country’s interest:… Spoken just like any corrupt politicians… No response so far from Netanyahu’s office or from his “good friend” Trump.”

    “Meanwhile, Benjamin Netanyahu’s wife, Sara, is mired in three legal disputes; two involving the receipt of illegal gifts and favors from businessmen in exchange for advancing their interests.”

    “Thousands of Israelis have taken to the streets in recent weekends, rallying against government corruption and calling on Netanyahu to step down.”

    Put them both away! Nutandyahoo is a dangerous warmonger who is also a religious nut.

  36. makati1 on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 6:03 pm 

    Are there any countries NOT on the list?

    “White House Will Add Pakistan To List Of Terror-Financing Nations”

    YES! The biggest one of all, the US, supporting terrorism in almost every country on the globe. Time for that mad dog to be put down. Today?

  37. Davy on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 6:07 pm 

    Billy, why the obsession with Israel tonight you jew baiter. Your gang are all jew baiters and closet Nazi scum. Are you trying to suck up to your Dutch buddy.

  38. Davy on Tue, 13th Feb 2018 6:09 pm 

    Lol, I wish I had a penny for every time you said “put that mad dog down”. Billy, can’t you be a little more inventive with your vocabulary?

  39. Theedrich on Wed, 14th Feb 2018 4:37 am 

    The Demonic Party + RINOs need crime.  In spite of their sanctimonious speechifying and virtue-signaling, they could not care less about American lives.  The illegal invasion of indigent criminals allegedly helps the economy (but — just by accident, mind you — produces votes for the Socio-Communist Left, since the invaders are used to, and prefer, dictators who promise fantasia).  Ignore the fact that, yearly, vastly more American lives are lost through narcotics overdoses than in military conflicts or training.  The political elites block any serious attempt (e.g., a wall against Mexico) to stop the importation of neuro-poisons by the illegals (just looking for a better life, sob, sob) invading the country from Spickland, Araby or Hindoodom.  After all, “we” (i.e., you, Whitey) have an international obligation to accept “refugees,” &c., &c.  And — wouldn’t you know — the Dems and RINOs profit from the invaders’ votes (and from the money that comes via subterranean channels from the narcotrade).

    The complete abandon with which the Congressional elites indebt out country shows their secret contempt for its population.  They ridicule the few legislators who attempt to halt or even slow the unprecedented squandering of national wealth, while the same elites engage in pompous fake indignation over alleged personal improprieties (especially those inveighed against by puritans or vengeful women) of political enemies.  Not to be overlooked is the fact that, because our leaders’ one and only concern is re-election and the evanescent glory that attends it, mass death by narcotics is irrelevant in their political calculations.

    In addition, the anti-White (Communism-lite) media do everything possible to distract the populace from their lethal design to extinguish the Caucasian race.  They magnify minor infractions (sexual advances, domestic abuse, &c.) while downplaying the corrosion of the youth and the disintegratation of the family.  Because all that matters to them is public attention and advertizing dollars, which enable promotion of their murderous agenda.  To wit, the billionaire string-pullers are furthering the destruction of the country while pretending that “we” need to “purify” ourselves à la the twisted value system of Yid-Cretinity.

    Meanwhile, America continues its bloody rampage throughout the world.  It is, thus, no wonder that some countries are gearing up for a Final Battle against the global monster.  It is the only way to prevent homo sapiens from turning into a criminal species.


  40. TheNationalist on Wed, 14th Feb 2018 4:55 am 

    I agree edrich but surely the strangest thing to come out of America since WW2 is their obsession with supporting the yids.
    The yids ratted Jesus to the Romans because they wanted him gone (he was obviously a threat to their usury systems) and got him crucified as a result (he was a threat to the Roman colosseum / oppressive system generally).
    America is a christian country and it is all conveniently forgotten/swept under the rug in the great judeochristian? mind fuck propaganda campaigns, the U.S. is just used again and again like the Romans and the Germans and all the other groups they have shafted through history.
    They even pretend to wonder why nobody likes them or that disgusting oaf of a tank driver nettiyahoo?

  41. TheNationalist on Wed, 14th Feb 2018 5:01 am 

    Cultural marxist jews flood the media with “minority” stories to condition the west into supporting minority groups at the cost of the majority.
    For thousands of years they have manipulated, used and ultimately destroyed the stupid host that feeds them.
    It has always been that way.

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