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Do Civilisations Collapse?
l breakdown and civilisational collapse run deep in our culture, from Sodom and Gomorrah, destroyed by a wrathful god, to the destruction of Atlantis, submerged under the sea after a massive earthquake. No matter whether literally true or not, these remain two of the most well-known stories in our society – dramatic and vivid, easy to imagine and see. The destruction of Pompeii has captivated audiences for centuries, spawning theatrical reconstructions known as ‘volcano entertainments’, replete with dancers, fireworks and an erupting volcano, novels such as Sir Edward Bulwer-Lytton’s bestselling novel The Last Days of Pompeii (1834), and feature films and documentaries, in addition to the many popular and scholarly books.
In literature and film, too, there have been so many contributions that have shaped and continue to shape the ongoing discourse of collapse – in apocalyptic fiction we can trace a line from Mary Shelley’s The Last Man (1826) and Jack London’s The Scarlet Plague (1912) to the more recent contributions of Margaret Atwood’s Oryx and Crake (2003), Cormac McCarthy’s The Road (2006) and Sarah Hall’s The Carhullan Army (2007), among many others. In film, apocalyptic, post-apocalyptic and general disaster movies are a favourite genre – often dwelling on current concerns such as cometary impact or climate change – Armageddon (1998), 2012 (2009), The Day After Tomorrow (2004), Contagion (2011), and San Andreas (2015) to mention a few. Such stories can have serious staying power: Richard Matheson’s novel I Am Legend (1954) has been made into three films across the decades. We are fascinated by the ‘what ifs’ of the end of our wider society, our institutions and way of life, about what would happen if some ‘mega-event’ took place – how would we act, what values would we have?
They appropriate the histories of past and indigenous peoples, and construct them as Western-focused parable
So we are primed by our cultural inheritance to see past collapses as apocalyptic events. As storytelling animals, tales of civilisational collapse are attractive – they have an internal consistency that gives them narrative logic. But there is also a psychological aspect to thinking about collapse past and present. Looking at past collapses, we can feel superior, technologically and morally, to earlier peoples and societies – we know why they failed and how we can succeed, our sense of progress is reinforced. There might be a tinge of schadenfreude even. Turning that to the possibility of near-future collapse, by imagining ourselves standing on the precipice of some epochal change, we make ourselves feel more important – we are living at a key time and we have the power to affect global civilisation, either positively or negatively.
The stories of the Maya and climate change, and the Easter Islanders’ ecocidal self-destruction, suit those who want to make a dramatic argument about our own mistreatment of the environment in modern times, and the possible fate of our own civilisation. They are dramatic, media-friendly, soundbite stories that convey moral and practical lessons, hence they are commonly found in environmental literature and the mass media. There has been a trend to explain other collapses in the same way. But such stories appropriate the histories of past and indigenous peoples, and construct them as modern Western-focused parables. They dwell on the supposed failures of pre-modern and non-Western societies rather than stressing their resilience in the face of difficulties or recalling the Western role in their eventual cultural destruction.
States collapsed, civilisations or cultures transformed; people lived through these times and employed their coping strategies – they selectively preserved aspects of their culture and rejected others. Archaeologists, historians and others have a duty to tell the stories of these people, even though the media might find them less satisfactory. And writers who appropriate history for moral purposes need to think carefully about what they are doing and what they are saying – they need to make an effort to get the history as right as possible, rather than dumbing it down to silver-bullet theories.
In The Travels of Persiles and Sigismund (1617), Miguel de Cervantes wrote: ‘Prudent men should judge of future events by what has taken place in the past and what is taking place in the present …’ Looking around us, we can see the trouble we are in, we can see the threats to our overpopulated world, to our overly complex and thus increasingly vulnerable society and way of life. We do not need to make other peoples’ histories into lessons for ourselves. When the evidence for environmentally driven collapses in the past is so weak, and the evidence for contact-era atrocities so strong, it is a wonder that the former is the focus and the lesson, rather than the latter. Perhaps we should be asking ourselves what exactly we should be learning from history.
197 Comments on "Do Civilisations Collapse?"
JuanP on Fri, 14th Feb 2020 7:10 pm
“The West is unable to implement the required draconian measures, like China is able to push through.”
maybe cloggie but the west doesn’t sloppy and careless like China so there is less need to be draconian.
JuanP on Fri, 14th Feb 2020 7:14 pm
China Is Disintegrating: Steel Demand, Property Sales, Traffic All Approaching Zero
In our ongoing attempts to glean some objective insight into what is actually happening “on the ground” in the notoriously opaque China, whose economy has been hammered by the Coronavirus epidemic, yesterday we showed several “alternative” economic indicators such as real-time measurements of air pollution (a proxy for industrial output), daily coal consumption (a proxy for electricity usage and manufacturing) and traffic congestion levels (a proxy for commerce and mobility), before concluding that China’s economy appears to have ground to a halt. That conclusion was cemented after looking at some other real-time charts which suggest that there is a very high probability that China’s GDP in Q1 will not only flatline, but crater deep in the red for one simple reason: there is no economic activity taking place whatsoever. We start with China’s infrastructure and fixed asset investment, which until recently accounted for the bulk of Chinese GDP. As Goldman writes in an overnight report, in the Feb 7-13 week, steel apparent demand is down a whopping 40%, but that’s only because flat steel is down “only” 12% Y/Y as some car plants have ordered their employee to return to work (likely against their will as the epidemic still rages). However, it is the far more important – for China’s GDP – construction steel sector where apparent demand has literally hit the bottom of the chart, down an unprecedented 88% Y/Y or as Goldman puts it, “construction steel demand is approaching zero.” But wait, there’s more. Courtesy of Capital Economics, which has compiled a handy breakdown of real-time China indicators, we can see the full extent of just how pervasive the crash in China’s economy has been, starting with familiar indicator, the average road congestion across 100 Chinese cities, which has collapsed into the New Year and has since failed to rebound. Average Road Congestion across 100 Cities in China Parallel to this, daily passenger traffic has also flatlined since the New Year and has yet to post an even modest rebound. Daily Passenger Traffic And the biggest shocker: a total collapse in passenger traffic (measured in person-km y/y % change), largely due to the quarantine that has been imposed on hundreds of millions of Chinese citizens. Passenger Traffic (person-km, % y/y) And while we already noted the plunge in coal consumption in power plants as Chinese electricity use has cratered… Coal Consumption at Power Plants … what is perhaps most striking, is the devastation facing the Chinese real estate sector where property sales across 30 major cities have basically frozen. Daily Property Sales in 30 Major Cities (Thousand Units) Finally, and most ominously perhaps, as the economy craters and internal supply chains fray, prices for everyday staples such as food are soaring as China faces not only economic collapse, but also surging prices for critical goods, such as food as shown in the wholesale food price index chart below…Food Wholesale Price Index … which in a nation of 1.4 billion is a catastrophic mix. As the coronavirus pandemic spreads further without containment, and as the charts above continue to flatline, so will China’s economy, which means that not only is Goldman’s draconian view of what happens to Q1 GDP likely optimistic as China now faces an outright plunge in Q1 GDP…… but any the expectation for a V-shaped recovery in Q2 and onward will vaporize faster than a vial of ultra-biohazardaous viruses in a Wuhan virology lab.
JuanP on Fri, 14th Feb 2020 7:15 pm
Hey, Mak, looking pretty bad in your Asia right now. Do you still think Asia is going up and the west down??
FuelShortageComing on Fri, 14th Feb 2020 7:20 pm
Guess who is on the front page of biggest Canadian bank: Chinese couple
https://www.rbcroyalbank.com/fr/personal.html
So happy and thankful for the corona virus even if it means my own death. Chinese people are now destroying modern civilization.
so much irony in what is happening. sll whites western nation except US are sucking up china dick.FF
JuanP on Fri, 14th Feb 2020 7:28 pm
Meanwhile, schemes continue a’pace to overthrow Mr. Trump by hook-or-by-crook before the election, with Sedition Release 4.0 just breaking in the Roger Stone sentencing affair and four prosecutors (three of them Mueller alumni, imagine that!) staging a phony-baloney resignation huff to stir up useful idiots like Rep. Eric Swalwell on the House Intel Committee for the next go at impeachment. Understand, this wicked business is just another ploy engineered by the same combined Deep State / Lawfare scoundrels that ran RussiaGate, MuellerGate, and UkraineGate, and the real purpose of it is to stave off efforts to prosecute a pretty broad network of those same former and current officials in the FBI, DOJ, CIA, State Department, Pentagon, Obama White House, and the Clinton Foundation for seditious conspiracy and, yes, possibly even treason. Personally, I believe that the Attorney General is honestly trying to smoke out the truth in this morass of nefarious intrigues, and that neither attempts to block him by the perps and their allies, or a visitation of Corona virus across the land, will thwart him.
makati1 on Fri, 14th Feb 2020 8:12 pm
Davy, pretending to be JuanP, or any of your other alias’ does not cover up your Sinophobic bullshit. It sounds like Davy, smells like Davy. Reads like Davy, so it must be Davy.
YEP! Asia is going up and the West down. This is not over. Not by a long shot. Read some news from outside the USMSM propaganda mill and you will see it is growing in the West. It may be a year or more before the coronavirus dust settles. The US could not handle an epidemic like has happened in China. Not even close. Can you see New York City or Washington DC in a months long lock-down? LMAO!
http://www.alt-market.com/index.php/articles/4102-the-lessons-we-have-learned-from-the-coronavirus-so-far
“In the US, the argument from the apathetic crowd is that we only have 12 cases, so what is there to worry about? I would remind those folks that the ONLY people that have actually been tested for coronavirus in the US are people that have arrived specifically from China in the past few weeks, who are showing symptoms and who voluntarily bring up this fact to health officials.
This means that people who come from Singapore, Thailand or any other nation in Asia that has also been exposed to the virus have likely not been tested at all. With a dormancy period of two weeks (and according to some studies up to 24 DAYS), the coronavirus has no symptoms yet it can still be highly contagious.
I would also point out that hospitals nationwide have been given a very limited supply of coronavirus tests (only 200 tests nationwide), some of which have been proven faulty, so, if the outbreak becomes prominent, they won’t be able to give an accurate number of infection cases anyway.
We are in the early stages of this pandemic. I definitely would not give the all clear yet. Unless the US government plans to shut down ALL flights into the US right now, there is no way to prevent the outbreak from coming here in the long run.’
BTW: Still only three known virus cases and the one death here in the Philippines, to Feb.15th..
https://www.rappler.com/nation/251768-suspected-novel-coronavirus-cases-per-region-philippines-february-14-2020
Nuff said.
Duncan Idaho on Fri, 14th Feb 2020 10:04 pm
Pete Buttigieg’s San Francisco fundraiser interrupted by ‘Queers Against Pete’ protesters
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Pete-Buttigieg-San-Francisco-Queers-Against-Pete-15057323.php
makati1 on Fri, 14th Feb 2020 10:27 pm
A gay Amerikan president! Don’t make me laugh!
He will be the chosen candidate only if the Dems want to lose.
Can you imagine the BUTT jokes down the line? LOL
Only another glaring sign of the insanity rampant in Amerika today.
More Lunatic Davy ID Fraud on Fri, 14th Feb 2020 11:23 pm
ANAL REAPER on Fri, 14th Feb 2020 7:02 pm
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JuanP on Fri, 14th Feb 2020 7:06 pm
makati1 on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 1:07 am
The real Amerika: “… noise intended to distract us from the fact that life in America has become a gut-wrenching, soul-sucking, misery-drenched, demoralizing existence, and it’s the government that is responsible. I’m outraged at what has been done to our freedoms and our country.”
“We have been subjected to crackdowns, clampdowns, shutdowns, showdowns, shoot-downs, stand-downs, knockdowns, putdowns, breakdowns, lock-downs, take-downs, slowdowns, meltdowns, and never-ending letdowns.
We’ve been held up, stripped down, faked out, photographed, frisked, fracked, hacked, tracked, cracked, intercepted, accessed, spied on, zapped, mapped, searched, shot at, tasered, tortured, tackled, trussed up, tricked, lied to, labeled, libeled, leered at, shoved aside, saddled with debt not of our own making, sold a bill of goods about national security, tuned out by those representing us, tossed aside, and taken to the cleaners.
We’ve had our children burned by flashbang grenades, our dogs shot, and our old folks hospitalized after “accidental” encounters with marauding SWAT teams.
We’ve been deemed suspicious for engaging in such dubious activities as talking too long on a cell phone and stretching too long before jogging, dubbed extremists and terrorists for criticizing the government and suggesting it is tyrannical or oppressive, and subjected to forced colonoscopies and anal probes for allegedly rolling through a stop sign.
We’ve had our schools locked down and turned into prisons, our students handcuffed, shackled and arrested for engaging in childish behavior such as food fights, our children’s biometrics stored, their school IDs chipped, their movements tracked, and their data bought, sold and bartered for profit by government contractors, all the while they are treated like criminals and taught to march in lockstep with the police state….”
https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/were_all_in_this_together_a_case_for_not_giving_up_on_the_american_dream
No, I am not a Davy sock-puppet. The list goes on and on. No honest Amerikan can deny their loss of freedom. I rarely post after noon here, but iI thought this was important to share. I’m glad I no longer live there. How can China be worse? Answer: it cannot. The US is NUMBER ONE in corruption and hypocrisy.
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 1:45 am
Coronavirus Brings China’s Debt Problem Back Into Light
https://www.barrons.com/articles/coronavirus-brings-chinas-debt-problem-back-into-light-51581679800?mod=hp_LEAD_1
China has the worlds largest debt bubble. It would be a shame if someone were to pop it!
Make em say UNCLE SAM!!!!
Hope you like the cornovirus! Plenty more where that came from. And it only effects the stupid chinks!
Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 3:11 am
“Hope you like the cornovirus! Plenty more where that came from. And it only effects the stupid chinks!”
The boards satanic, sadist kike (but I repeat myself twice) gloats too early. The Chinese will draw the obvious conclusion from this bio-attack, likely yet another US black opp false flag. Enjoy the consequences of being hated by 1.35 billion people.
Europeans will have great trouble suppressing their Schadenfreude. The US-version of globalism will be over, as well as all these free goods delivered by the Chinese in exchange for freshly printed dollars. One wonders how US diversity is going to react if their income will be reduced with 40%.
Talking about the end of US-style globalism… Fortress Europe is now LEGALLY a fact. Push-backs are now allowed, much to the horror of empire press, the folks that in a couple of years will be in a concentration camp:
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/abschiebung-ohne-asylantrag-das-urteil-macht-die-festung-europa-dicht-a-7f1ffff7-a646-4fbb-a892-13ff9dc66ef5
“This ruling effectively closes Europe”
The libtards in Europee are THAT scared for the political right.
Revenge against the diversity mongers is next and finally Eurasia is going to destroy empire, including physical presence of troops in North-America. Mobster and his water carrier empire dave will have no place to hide.
Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 3:53 am
I urge you to again read the quote by a Barry Eichgengreen, a geopolitical jew and not some revanchist neo-natzi from Europe, we all know the type:
https://peakoil.com/geology/new-report-confirming-peak-oil-oil-oil-everywhere-too-costly-to-drill/comment-page-1#comment-738116
He sums it all up for you:
– America is retreating because whitey no longer is willing to support the diversity that comes with One World
– China and Europe are cooperating, where the US seeks confrontation. They both are going to lead
– The very US idea of the “End of History”, cementing the post WW2-order is naive (self-serving rather)
Note that Eichengreen has not yet factored in the consequences of Brexit and Corona, two more nails in the coffin of empire and even ZOG-USA itself. Poor Barry.
Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 4:00 am
“400,000 Brits to die?”
That’s 8 times more than died in Auschwitz!
“‘This is the virus I fear the most’: British scientist leading coronavirus fight says it’s ‘not absurd’ to forecast 400,000 UK fatalities as world-wide death toll surges past 1,500”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8005931/British-scientist-leading-coronavirus-fight-says-forecasts-400-000-UK-deaths.html
https://www.sunray22b.net/images/bad_arolsen_list.gif
Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 4:21 am
China eliminating bank notes because of Corona, as they are the #1 transmitter of the virus:
https://nos.nl/artikel/2323126-nog-meer-maatregelen-in-china-rond-coronavirus-bankbiljetten-uit-de-roulatie.html
More US protectionism: higher tariffs on Airbus planes. Main victim: US airlines, who can’t buy Boeings.
https://nos.nl/artikel/2323130-vs-gaat-import-airbus-toestellen-nog-zwaarder-belasten.html
For the record: I am advocating to exploit Corona to the hilt and completely end dollar-based global trade. A Ford and Boeing 737 Max, Budweiser and Californian wine are good enough for Americans, no need for Airbusses, BMWs or “Mercs” or French-Italian-Spanish wine, those are for Europeans only.
Dollar trade in Eurasia should be forbidden. Once Corona is over, a very limited global trade should be done on the basis of barter only, no more reserve currencies. Obviously the 10 million km2 area with 640 million inhabitants called Europe (Atlantic to Urals) should be one giant common market, protected by French and Russian hydrogen bombs. Americans and English troops should be told to get lost from Germany and let them take their holohoax with them in their bagage.
This is the world order that will emerge after Corona:
https://documents1940.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/george_orwell_map.jpg
P.S. I am praying that next week I can enjoy a vacation to the Black Sea area without the flight getting cancelled. Don’t hold my breath. Actually I will be holding my breath, at least at the airport check-in.lol Not sure if I should show up, dressed like a Chinese from Wuhan.
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 4:45 am
“The boards satanic, sadist kike (but I repeat myself twice) gloats too early. The Chinese will draw the obvious conclusion from this bio-attack, likely yet another US black opp false flag. Enjoy the consequences of being hated by 1.35 billion people.”
The board’s satanic, sadist Natzi speculates about something that is pretty much narrowed down. The sloppy Chinese let out a bio weapon. Of course the satanic Natzi salivates over WWIII in the pacific because somehow he thinks that is the magic piece of the puzzle for his eurotard empire PBM.
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 4:49 am
Europeans will have great trouble suppressing their Schadenfreude. The US-version of globalism will be over, as well as all these free goods delivered by the Chinese in exchange for freshly printed dollars. One wonders how US diversity is going to react if their income will be reduced with 40%.”
LOL, except poor cloggo forgot how he hyped eurotardland’s export prowess. He is talking out of both sides of his mouth. Europe has the most to lose from China shutting down. All those Chinese exports will at least for a short time evaporate. All those car parts needed for their factories. OOPs cloggo.
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 4:50 am
“Talking about the end of US-style globalism… Fortress Europe is now LEGALLY a fact.”
like the kids say “way what”?? You drinking cloggo?
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 4:52 am
“Revenge against the diversity mongers is next and finally Eurasia is going to destroy empire, including physical presence of troops in North-America.”
Little Napoleon is fantasizing again.
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 4:54 am
“400,000 Brits to die?”
How about your crammed packed postage stamp country, cloggo? Do you think the Dutch don’t get it? You got the big ports and airports. Good luck with that. I bet you wish you were in the poor and flyover Ozarks like I am where people are spread way apart.
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 4:59 am
“This is the world order that will emerge after Corona:”
You have gone mad, cloggo. Obviously you are very worried about the virus and now all that fantasy optimism you been crowing now for years has evaporated.
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 5:02 am
“No, I am not a Davy sock-puppet. The list goes on and on. No honest Amerikan can deny their loss of freedom. I rarely post after noon here, but iI thought this was important to share. I’m glad I no longer live there. How can China be worse? Answer: it cannot. The US is NUMBER ONE in corruption and hypocrisy.”
makato’s Asia is sinking into the swamp of collapse and all the makato can talk about is USA bad USA bad USA bad. Another mad man whos blind and stupid anti-Americanism is now in the toilet.
JuanP on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 5:03 am
I am worried and depressed about the China virus. I am right by where all those cruise ships dock. I am on a densely populated little strip of land call Miami Beach. I am so afraid and depressed.
Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 5:06 am
“The board’s satanic, sadist Natzi speculates about something that is pretty much narrowed down. The sloppy Chinese let out a bio weapon. Of course the satanic Natzi salivates over WWIII in the pacific because somehow he thinks that is the magic piece of the puzzle for his eurotard empire PBM.”
I don’t know what is the origin of the virus from Wuhan. What I DO KNOW is that the Chinese government can’t afford to admit that it was their fault (if that is what is was, which I doubt). After the holohoax, Nuremberg, JFK and 9/11, I know for a fact what the US deep state is capable of doing. And you are standing by to back up the crimes. Liar is your middle name.
“LOL, except poor cloggo forgot how he hyped eurotardland’s export prowess.”
Only an American hyper-materialist like you would deplore the collapse of the US-led order. I am gladly willing to work until my seventies if we only get rid of multicult and you. One of the side-attractions of 2007-2011-peak oil for me was the prospect of collapse, a typical white nationalist mode of thinking (“worse is better”). Obviously the US promoters of peak oil hadn’t done their homework. Nowadays not even Richard Heinberg talks about peak oil supply anymore. Only some retards in US backwaters like the Ozarks don’t have the intellectual flexibility to adapt their world view to new “renewable data”.
“How about your crammed packed postage stamp country”
Exactly the same. There are too many people in both Britain and Holland anyway.
https://i.imgur.com/gpWAJQN.jpg
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 5:10 am
And makato says the China virus is nothing. The flue is so much worse. LMFAO at the dumbass. This is bad shit and part of the reason why one should be prepped. It is a good idea to have long shelf life food for the possibility of a “sit out”
“China Sends 25,000 Medical Personnel To Hubei As ‘War Time Conditions’ Take Effect”
https://tinyurl.com/wypz8h9 zero hedge
“China has sent 217 medical rescue groups totaling 25,633 personnel to Hubei province to fight the outbreak. First case reported in Africa after the Egyptian Health Ministry confirms non-Egyptian patient who recently traveled to China Hubei health officials report 2,420 new cases and 139 new deaths for Feb. 14 NHC officials report an additional 4 deaths and 2,641 cases. China warns of incoming case surge China says 1,716 medical workers have been infected WHO demands to know more about sick doctors, insists group of 12 virus experts will reach Beijing over the weekend Singapore reports largest daily jump in cases amid increased human-to-human transmission Egypt confirms first case; virus now present in 29 countries/territories Hong Kong reports 3 new cases New quarantine measures take effect in Wuhan President Xi touts new “biosecurity law” Hong Kong Disney land offers space for quarantine Chinese company says blood plasma of recovered patients useful in combating the virus US mulling new travel restrictions Japan reports 4 new cases; one patient recently returned from Hawaii. CDC Director: Virus is “Coming” to the US. 5 presumptive cases reported in British Columbia Toll of infected passengers and crew aboard ‘the Diamond Princess’ climbs to 218”
Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 5:20 am
First Corona death in Europe-France. Corona has arrived in Africa-Egypt too:
https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/live205334991/Frankreich-meldet-ersten-Coronavirus-Todesfall-in-Europa.html
Just like in Eastern Europe before 1989, the local commies didn’t like breacher-of-BAU Gorbatchev at all. Likewise, the European social-democrats, who are imploding electorally, cry for help from America (subliminal message: don’t leave us at the mercy of the European Right). Pompeo tried to calm emotions yesterday by saying that the message of the Death of the Atlantic alliance is exaggerated (it isn’t, the West-NATO is brain-dead, exactly as Macron diagnosed, PBM is next):
https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article205876375/Muenchner-Sicherheitskonferenz-So-antwortet-Pompeo-auf-Steinmeier.html
Twelve rightwingers in Germany arrested who were planning for nothing less than a civil war:
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article205849193/Zwoelf-Festnahmen-wegen-Verdachts-auf-rechten-Terror.html
Macron talks like Salvini. The leftist empire press is begging social-conservative Merz to take over from Merkel, in order to stop the AfD:
https://www.welt.de/debatte/kommentare/article205841955/Polarisierung-Demokraten-reden-jetzt-schon-wie-Rechtsradikale.html
“Democrats talking like Rightwingers”
LOL
The Post-1945 US order is evaporating before our eyes.
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 5:29 am
“I don’t know what is the origin of the virus from Wuhan. What I DO KNOW is that the Chinese government can’t afford to admit that it was their fault (if that is what is was, which I doubt).”
Pretty much the Chinese have already admitted to it by the fact they are so quiet about it. It is obvious the level 4 bio lab was walking distance from the fish market. The cloggo is all mum about reality and turns this into a Franz Ferdinand moment like wackos like the cloggo do.
“After the holohoax, Nuremberg, JFK and 9/11, I know for a fact what the US deep state is capable of doing. And you are standing by to back up the crimes. Liar is your middle name.”
“Way what??” lmfao. The mad cloggo is now turning this around into a conspiracy like mad deranged people do when their delusional world falls apart.
“Only an American hyper-materialist like you would deplore the collapse of the US-led order.”
“way what??” cloggo, I am REAL Green and that means green prepping and localism. You are the fake green techno optimist who is already talking about his vacation to the Black Sea but is so so glum because now he risks exposure to the virus. What a dumb fuck, don’t go.
“ I am gladly willing to work until my seventies if we only get rid of multicult and you.”
Cloggo, just because I respect people of all colors and races does not mean I buy into the extremist libertard woksters shit that salivates over globalism. You are reaching out there again because I kicked your ass this morning. Quit being stupid and that will not happen.
“One of the side-attractions of 2007-2011-peak oil for me was the prospect of collapse, a typical white nationalist mode of thinking (“worse is better”).”
LMFAO, nope cloggo, you have been talking Eurotard golden age and techno-optimistic manifest destiny now, forever. Your Anglo derangement has been off the wall with 3 years of daily Brexit hype about the Iron curtain and Dunkirk. What a friggin lunatic.
“Obviously the US promoters of peak oil hadn’t done their homework.”
PO is one of my collapse process variables. Plus, cloggo, I have often said pandemics are an issue in this crazy globalized world I have been preaching against with my REAL Green localism!
“Nowadays not even Richard Heinberg talks about peak oil supply anymore. Only some retards in US backwaters like the Ozarks don’t have the intellectual flexibility to adapt their world view to new “renewable data”.”
Come on cloggo, PO is more relevant than ever as affordability of fossil fuels decline. NO, for dummies like you that does not mean the pump price. We are talking macro affordability and exposure to shocks because your renewables have not made a dent in primary power with transport and Agriculture. Your renewables are obviously hitting a brick wall with penetration because of storage and distribution. This Chinese virus thing will make it all the worse because OOPs all those renewables resources from China that will be affected. We don’t know how a shut down China will get and how the reboot will go. If China goes down so does the global economy and that is worse for your export driven EU, dumb and dutch. How about that silk road hype now, cloggo??
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 5:31 am
“Twelve rightwingers in Germany arrested who were planning for nothing less than a civil war”
CW2 in eurotardland brewing
JuanP on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 5:32 am
Stop this guys, I can’t stand all these scary comments. I am already suicidal. Please somebody help me.
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 5:36 am
OOps, cloggo, Africa is your neighbor. Oh Dear!
“China Sends 25,000 Medical Personnel To Hubei As ‘War Time Conditions’ Take Effect”
https://tinyurl.com/wypz8h9 zero hedge
“Update (1415ET): The Egyptian Health Ministry has announced the first coronavirus case in Egypt – the first confirmed patient on the African continent, according to the Financial Times. According to the ministry, the case was discovered through its electronic registration program to track people who have visited countries with reported infections. The person in question is not Egyptian and is asymptomatic, but tested positive for the virus. They have been placed in isolation in a local hospital, according to the ministry. As we reported earlier in the week, Africa – which has seen an influx of Chinese nationals in recent years (and a ton of half-Chinese babies born to single mothers) is woefully unprepared for the coronavirus. “We’re definitely not prepared. If we had a couple of cases, it would spread very quickly,” physiotherapist Fundi Sinkala said. “We’re doing the best we can with what resources we have.” -AP Of note, around 1 million Chinese now live in Africa.”
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 5:40 am
makato’s Asian Phoenix:
“I Have No Idea What To Do Now”: South Korean & Japanese Firms Screwed By Shortage Of Chinese Migrant Workers”
https://tinyurl.com/wouxoxx zero hedge
“Since COVID-19 went global just over two weeks ago, we’ve spent a lot of time discussing how China’s economic shutdown is going to impact the global economy. But by focusing on giant companies like GM and Foxconn, we’ve maybe overlooked some of the little people. People like the millions of Chinese migrant workers who occupy unskilled and skilled jobs in South Korea and Japan. Many companies in agriculture and construction employ young Chinese ‘technical interns’ to compensate for serious labor shortages. These workers effectively form the base of a transnational supply chain. And without workers, the agricultural sector could be in a serious bind as the spring and summer approach.”
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 5:46 am
“an uncontainable virus”
“Harvard Expert Warns, Coronavirus Likely Just Now “Gathering Steam”
https://tinyurl.com/yxx8xnmo Harvard
“There’s likely to be a period of widespread transmission in the U.S., and I hope we will avert the kind of chaos that some other places are seeing. That’s likely if we continue to be prepared, but I think it’s going to be a new virus that we have to deal with. That won’t be because the United States government has failed to contain it, it will mean that this is an uncontainable virus. If we’re dealing with it, it’s because everybody’s going to be dealing with it. I think that’s a likely scenario.”
Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 5:51 am
3.8 million Chinese in pc America:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Americans
2 million Chinese in pc Canada:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Canadians
Cough, cough.
“CW2 in eurotardland brewing”
There was no civil war in Eastern Europe either, just a few useless commies killed:
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2019/12/13/11/ceausecu-execution.jpg?w968h681
Will be the same in western Europe once the US order will have been disposed of, in a couple of years, probably 2024, if Trump wins in 2020. But violence is very well possible in isolated areas, like in Paris-suburbs in France or Malmo-Sweden. Expect white “freelancers” from all over (Eastern) Europe to give poor French and Swedes a helping hand. Peace can be so boring. Great game hunting will be legal at some point.
“just because I respect people of all colors and races”
Me too, but from a safe distance. There are no examples of stable truly multi-ethnic societies in world history. Examples like Canada, Belgium and Switzerland don’t count, because they are effectively already completely segregated.
Don’t take it from a “natzi” like me, take it from our libtard foreign minister (in private)…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHRon64z9-M
…or go for the gold and the Englishman Enoch Powell (rivers of blood speech).
Give us a call from the US when you need help to stem said rivers in your hapless territory.
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 5:52 am
OH boy, cloggo, are you there? Read this:
“German economy records zero growth in fourth quarter”
https://tinyurl.com/s3aqkbc dw
“The German economy posted zero growth in the final quarter of 2019, the federal statistics authority (Destasis) reported in preliminary statistics on Friday. The Gross domestic product (GDP) was the same in October-December as in the previous three months. Read more: Cash-strapped governments a thing of the past? The results were worse than forecast, with predictions of 0.1% growth. However, Destastis revised its results for the third quarter, with the GDO growing by 0.2% instead of the 0.1% previously reported. The new figures mean an annual growth rate of 0.6% in 2019, the worst growth since 2013. The overall economic stagnation in the fourth quarter is already a small success,” Dr. Fritzi Koehler-Geib, chief economist at KfW banking group told AFP news agency, adding that Germany would have to wait until spring to see signs of recovery. Read more: US businesses less willing to invest in Germany “At least for the first quarter, there are signs of a noticeable slowdown in the Chinese, and thus also the global economy as a consequence of the coronavirus.” The zero growth is a reflection of broader eurozone slowness with headwinds from the US-China trade dispute and Brexit.”
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 6:00 am
Maybe we need to get back to the old days and start talking prep strategies like we used to. I never stopped but everyone else moved on like I was being a nutter. Then, we have the cloggo and makato derangement problem. Notice how makto is not here much anymore. His East is going up meme is collapsing before his eyes. He struggles with it but it is evaporating. Cloggo is talking like a mad man in circles. The annoymouse stalking has diminished. Maybe the asswipe realizes he is right next to Hongcouver and the China virus is at his front door. Way back Ape man pegged annoymouse on Vancouver Island. OOO then there is the lunatic juanPee Id theft and socks all because his widdle feelings were stepped on. juanPee is terrified of this because he is in a jammed packed place with tourist flying in from all over the world on Miami Beach. He is probably ready to go back to his remote 3rd world South American place finally. It will be so nice to know he has left the US. juanPee, please send us a post card. I think maybe it is time to turn this forum back into a prep place.
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 6:06 am
“3.8 million Chinese in pc America: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Americans
2 million Chinese in pc Canada: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Canadians Cough, cough.”
No shit, cloggo, I am not denying this and have from the start let people know systematically how bad this will get. BTW, I imagine there are more Chinese in Eurotard land because of the silk road development. You are such a denialist. You and makato in the beginning were “it nothing” read this dummy:
http://images.feasta.org/2013/07/Catastrophic-shock-pandemic2.pdf
Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 6:28 am
“German economy records zero growth in fourth quarter“
Collapse!!!
ROFL
“I am not denying this and have from the start let people know systematically how bad this will get.“
Some observations:
– Corona probably will go global
– In the worst case 1-4% of 7 billion are going to die, mostly older, weaker people
– It will be a major setback for the “globalists”
I respectfully recommend cold showers to strengthen your immune system. For the rest avoid airports, city centers, malls, corporate canteens, football stadiums, dollar bank notes (lol). Buy a big freezer if you don’t own already one and fill it with food.
Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 6:54 am
I love Macron and Gaullists in general!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8007061/Emmanuel-Macron-warns-West-weakening.html
“The US and France go head-to-head over the future of ‘the West’: Mike Pompeo insists America is NOT withdrawing from Europe – sparking an angry rebuttal from Emmanuel Macron”
France is about to justify its self-imagined status of “Grande Nation”. He is making all the right moves and noises.
Macron correctly accuses the US of withdrawing from the West… only to create the excuse to play the Russian-PBM geopolitical card:
“Macron said on Saturday that Europe’s policy of defiance towards Russia in recent years had failed and, as nobody wanted to confront Moscow directly, the only option was to have a closer dialogue to resolve differences.“
Exactly right!
“Pompeo stressed the need to work together against threats posed by Russia’s territorial ambitions, China’s military buildup in the South China Sea and Iran’s ‘campaigns of terror’ through proxy conflicts in the Middle East.”
There are no f* Russian territorial ambitions. Russia merely defended its existing interests in the Ukraine against agressive neocon ambitions there.
Russia IS European and wants to become European geopolitically. We should let them in.
And finally, PBM should team up with the “Gaullists” in North-America and “liberate them back”.
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 7:33 am
“German economy records zero growth in fourth quarter“ “Collapse!!! ROFL”
LOL, the cloggo has a really hard time going grey except when talking about himself then he always manages to grey things up in his favor. With the cloggo it is black and white with golden usually in his case (adapted grey lately from reality) or collapse when commenting on me. Cloggo, I never said collapse but it is possible. You are definitely looking at a recession or worse considering the exposure to China, Brexit, and a normal economic decline that has been in the works for months.
“I am not denying this and have from the start let people know systematically how bad this will get.“ Some observations: – Corona probably will go global – In the worst case 1-4% of 7 billion are going to die, mostly older, weaker people – It will be a major setback for the “globalists”
cloggo is being shallow and grey again. The cloggo wants to just indicate the 1-4% as if “this won’t be bad” attitude of the cloggo and makato. The reality is the systematic implications with an economic decline already backed in. This could be a major death event if food and supplies get affected and or social mayhem is certain locations. There is always the threat of war if things get nasty here or there. This is not going to be nice.
“I respectfully recommend cold showers to strengthen your immune system. For the rest avoid airports, city centers, malls, corporate canteens, football stadiums, dollar bank notes (lol). Buy a big freezer if you don’t own already one and fill it with food.”
LOL cold showers?? You sound like the people in 18th century doing draining out blood. Cold showers are not going to help much, cloggo. For some it might even weaken them. You also like to talk about old and sick people dying. Old is you cloggo. For some reason you are still thinking you are a young wiper-snapper. You are not cloggo. You sit on your ball sack all day long as a digital couch potato. I do agree avoid airports but cloggo is talking about his Black Sea vacation. LOL. Cloggo, a freezer is a good idea but how about long shelf life food that is a better idea. Get that before they are sold out.
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 7:49 am
“There are no f* Russian territorial ambitions. Russia merely defended its existing interests in the Ukraine against agressive neocon ambitions there. Russia IS European and wants to become European geopolitically. We should let them in. And finally, PBM should team up with the “Gaullists” in North-America and “liberate them back”.”
The cloggo always gets back to his PBM fantasy when times get tough.
JuanP on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 7:55 am
Guys, stop, stop it please. I am so depressed and afraid of all this doom. I am leaving this forum for good!
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 7:59 am
“Chaos Is Coming: US To Start Testing People With Flu Symptoms”
https://tinyurl.com/qlrqhts zero hedge
“Brace for chaos: in a few weeks, the next person to sneeze may be arrested quietly pulled aside by the authorities and tested for coronavirus.
People in the US experiencing flu-like symptoms will be screened for the latest coronavirus that originated from China, officials with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced during a briefing on Friday, adding that it will roll out 5 labs, in Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco and Seattle, to screen patients through the ominously sounding “national flu surveillance program”; if that wasn’t bad enough, they also said the program is likely to expand as more confirmed cases are expected in the coming days and weeks. Justifying the move, CDC officials said that there could be undetected cases of the mysterious illness in communities across the US, as the country experiences a dramatic spike in flu as the season approaches its halfway point. Global cases of the virus have topped 64,000, including hundreds of health workers in China as it battles to contain the virus following its outbreak in Wuhan. In the US, there have been 15th confirmed coronavirus infections while more than 1,300 people have died in China (it would have been even more had China not somehow “double-counted” the dead).”
“Meanwhile, health officials report 26 million flu infections in the US so far this season, including 14,000 deaths.“
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 8:11 am
“The Geopolitics Of Biological Weapons, Part 1: A Useful And Timely Factual Overview”
https://tinyurl.com/raj3964 zero hedge
“The US government and its many agencies and educational and health institutions, have for many decades conducted intensive research into biological warfare, in many cases strongly focused on race-specific pathogens.”
“In the year 2000, The Project for the New American Century produced a report titled, “Rebuilding America’s Defenses”, which contained a radical and belligerent Right-Wing policy ambition for America. Their report called itself a “blueprint for maintaining global US preeminence … and shaping the international security order in line with American principles and interests.” The authors, their genocidal mentality obvious, stated:
“Advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare … to a politically useful tool.”
JuanP on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 8:27 am
OOPs, I forgot to put the real link on the above Davy ID theft I did:
Here is the real link and it is from global research a very anti-American site for nutters like Mak and I. I am sorry for being so careless and dishonest:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/biological-weapons-useful-timely-factual-overview/5702842?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles
JuanP on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 8:30 am
I went out and smoked some pot so I feel less threatened by comments here this morning. I am still be doing lite commenting because I am a little triggered.
Davy on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 8:51 am
That is nothing juanpee. I went out and smoked some grass too so I feel less threatened by comments here every morning that I disprove of. I will be doing the same commenting I always do when I get triggered. Stalking, pricking, and ID theft.
JuanP on Sat, 15th Feb 2020 9:18 am
I went out and smoked some grass and snorted some coke so I feel less threatened by comments here every morning that I disprove of. I will be doing the same commenting I always do when I get triggered. Stalking, pricking, and ID theft.