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Do Civilisations Collapse?

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l breakdown and civilisational collapse run deep in our culture, from Sodom and Gomorrah, destroyed by a wrathful god, to the destruction of Atlantis, submerged under the sea after a massive earthquake. No matter whether literally true or not, these remain two of the most well-known stories in our society – dramatic and vivid, easy to imagine and see. The destruction of Pompeii has captivated audiences for centuries, spawning theatrical reconstructions known as ‘volcano entertainments’, replete with dancers, fireworks and an erupting volcano, novels such as Sir Edward Bulwer-Lytton’s bestselling novel The Last Days of Pompeii (1834), and feature films and documentaries, in addition to the many popular and scholarly books.

In literature and film, too, there have been so many contributions that have shaped and continue to shape the ongoing discourse of collapse – in apocalyptic fiction we can trace a line from Mary Shelley’s The Last Man (1826) and Jack London’s The Scarlet Plague (1912) to the more recent contributions of Margaret Atwood’s Oryx and Crake (2003), Cormac McCarthy’s The Road (2006) and Sarah Hall’s The Carhullan Army (2007), among many others. In film, apocalyptic, post-apocalyptic and general disaster movies are a favourite genre – often dwelling on current concerns such as cometary impact or climate change – Armageddon (1998), 2012 (2009), The Day After Tomorrow (2004), Contagion (2011), and San Andreas (2015) to mention a few. Such stories can have serious staying power: Richard Matheson’s novel I Am Legend (1954) has been made into three films across the decades. We are fascinated by the ‘what ifs’ of the end of our wider society, our institutions and way of life, about what would happen if some ‘mega-event’ took place – how would we act, what values would we have?

They appropriate the histories of past and indigenous peoples, and construct them as Western-focused parable

So we are primed by our cultural inheritance to see past collapses as apocalyptic events. As storytelling animals, tales of civilisational collapse are attractive – they have an internal consistency that gives them narrative logic. But there is also a psychological aspect to thinking about collapse past and present. Looking at past collapses, we can feel superior, technologically and morally, to earlier peoples and societies – we know why they failed and how we can succeed, our sense of progress is reinforced. There might be a tinge of schadenfreude even. Turning that to the possibility of near-future collapse, by imagining ourselves standing on the precipice of some epochal change, we make ourselves feel more important – we are living at a key time and we have the power to affect global civilisation, either positively or negatively.

The stories of the Maya and climate change, and the Easter Islanders’ ecocidal self-destruction, suit those who want to make a dramatic argument about our own mistreatment of the environment in modern times, and the possible fate of our own civilisation. They are dramatic, media-friendly, soundbite stories that convey moral and practical lessons, hence they are commonly found in environmental literature and the mass media. There has been a trend to explain other collapses in the same way. But such stories appropriate the histories of past and indigenous peoples, and construct them as modern Western-focused parables. They dwell on the supposed failures of pre-modern and non-Western societies rather than stressing their resilience in the face of difficulties or recalling the Western role in their eventual cultural destruction.

States collapsed, civilisations or cultures transformed; people lived through these times and employed their coping strategies – they selectively preserved aspects of their culture and rejected others. Archaeologists, historians and others have a duty to tell the stories of these people, even though the media might find them less satisfactory. And writers who appropriate history for moral purposes need to think carefully about what they are doing and what they are saying – they need to make an effort to get the history as right as possible, rather than dumbing it down to silver-bullet theories.

In The Travels of Persiles and Sigismund (1617), Miguel de Cervantes wrote: ‘Prudent men should judge of future events by what has taken place in the past and what is taking place in the present …’ Looking around us, we can see the trouble we are in, we can see the threats to our overpopulated world, to our overly complex and thus increasingly vulnerable society and way of life. We do not need to make other peoples’ histories into lessons for ourselves. When the evidence for environmentally driven collapses in the past is so weak, and the evidence for contact-era atrocities so strong, it is a wonder that the former is the focus and the lesson, rather than the latter. Perhaps we should be asking ourselves what exactly we should be learning from history.

Guy D Middleton is a visiting fellow at Newcastle University in the school of history, classics and archaeology. His latest book is Understanding Collapse: Ancient History and Modern Myths (2017).

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197 Comments on "Do Civilisations Collapse?"

  1. Richard Guenette on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 11:31 am 

    Nothing is permanent and change is constant.

  2. Richard Guunette on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 11:35 am 

    the above is a lunatic jaunPee sock. Go fuck yourself idiot

  3. Davy identity theft on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 12:32 pm 

    The above is DavySkum. Richard would never use language “Go fuck yourself idiot”. That’s DavyTurd Blossom’s manner of communication.

    Richard Guunette on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 11:35 am

  4. Richard Guunette on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 12:46 pm 

    Everyone on this forum knows JuanP is a liar and low IQ. Ignore the above

  5. world supremacist muzzies lover all the way on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 1:01 pm 

    grate news
    there are no muzzies in hungary. they eliminated all muzzies. i didn’t know they could build the muzzie amputaton macine, muzzie anti rape machine, muzze hamster machine.

    it will spread and that’s good. i can buy all muzzies for grate price of $.20 unamputated and $.25 amputated. i can easily turn a profit. i can buy all muzzies with the money i have. i just pay for 1,000,000 muzzies with $.01 . this is entirely reasonable in comparison to muzzie logic

    world supremacist muzzies bag day feb12021
    world grater nedertardland day 71 days away

  6. JuanP on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 1:28 pm 

    grate news
    there are no muzzies in hungary. they eliminated all muzzies. i didn’t know they could build the muzzie amputaton macine, muzzie anti rape machine, muzze hamster machine.

    it will spread and that’s good. i can buy all muzzies for grate price of $.20 unamputated and $.25 amputated. i can easily turn a profit. i can buy all muzzies with the money i have. i just pay for 1,000,000 muzzies with $.01 . this is entirely reasonable in comparison to muzzie logic

    world supremacist muzzies bag day feb12021
    world grater nedertardland day 71 days away

  7. world supremacist muzzies lover all the way on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 1:29 pm 

    grate news

    there are no muzzies in hungry, very few in poland and uk gonna amputatate all muzies

    central african republican amputaed muzzies

    angola amputate muzzies

    it’s spreading

  8. Richard Guenette on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 1:36 pm 

    As human beings, we have already reached a point of no return. Space colonization is a fantasy, it is not going to happen in our lifetime.

  9. JuanP on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 1:37 pm 

    grate news

    there are no muzzies in hungry, very few in poland and uk gonna amputatate all muzies

    central african republican amputaed muzzies

    angola amputate muzzies

    it’s spreading

  10. Richard Guunette on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 1:38 pm 

    As human beings, we have already reached a point of no return. Space colonization is a fantasy, it is not going to happen in our lifetime.

  11. Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 4:57 pm 

    Europe is turning to the right and mr Cohen doesn’t like it one bit. His problem.

    “For the new right, Hungary is now what Venezuela once was for the left”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/08/hungary-now-for-the-new-right-what-venezuela-once-was-for-the-left

    The truth is setting in that the UK is small and the EU big. The UK will be forced by the EU to make a choice between the EU or US, a choice the UK doesn’t want to make. It wants to play out the two against each other. 60-40 the UK will be driven in US arms.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7980463/Boriss-threat-walk-away-EU-without-trade-deal-fail-says-former-No10-boss.html

    “Boris Johnson’s threat to walk away from the EU without a trade deal will fail because Brussels won’t give into his demands, warns former No10 boss“

  12. dissident on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 5:23 pm 

    The article’s title is BS. There is no evidence of any permanent civilization on this planet. And human survival is not equivalent to continuation of any specific civilization. Moving goal posts to redefine it as such is to engage in academic masturbation.

    By redefining what it means to have civilization (i.e. to have some humans around) the author and his ilk are facilitating revisionism and historical ignorance. Humans who care about their quality of life and do not set their standards at the level of bacteria, actually care why all previous civilization collapsed. This includes the Akkadian, Mayan, Khmer and probably others.

    Even Rome, which did not get obliterated like many others was still a huge drop from relatively well off conditions to a medieval toilet.

  13. makati1 on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 5:40 pm 

    “Do Civilisations Collapse?” Does a bear shit in the woods? LOL

  14. JuanP on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 5:47 pm 

    “Does a bear shit in the woods? LOL”

    Mak, what about a bear in a zoo?

  15. Theedrich on Sat, 8th Feb 2020 11:46 pm 

    “… the Western role in their (i.e., primitive cultures’) eventual cultural destruction.”
    “… our overpopulated world, … our overly complex and thus increasingly vulnerable society and way of life.”  Implication:  “we” Whites, and Whites only, must stop reproducing immediately, lest disaster befall the world.  (And never mind that Whites are already underreproducing themselves.)

    Every time anyone writes something about collapse, he or she never fails to add cute touches about how “we” (i.e., you, Whitey) have to avoid “racist” elimination of the demographic dark matter when dealing with the projected existential threat, and must establish a modern, “darkies-only” version of Noah’s ark, etc.  The lowest IQs must be preserved at all costs, per Jeezus/Mohammed/Mahatma Ghandi/etc., etc.  Whitey must give way to subhumans in order to preserve American “values” and other such neuroses.  And to preserve oligarchic primacy.

    Such scribblings actually have nothing to do with the real probabilities of any possible future collapse.  They are simply propaganda to advance the mulattoization (that is, extinction) of the White race.  In other words, the usual Yid agitprop, often from behind a gentile screen to hide the true source of the push for Aryan genosuicide.

  16. Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 3:57 am 

    65% of the Dutch want to halt mass immigration:

    https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/2107687974/enquete-65-van-nederlanders-wil-inperking-immigratie

    48% of the non-whites want that too, because they fear things could get out of hand (rest assured, it will). They want to stop the influx after the motto: “at least I am in and managed to escape from the third world shit hole, now please close the door”.

    From space you can verify that the Netherlands are en route to become a city state:

    https://i.imgur.com/gpWAJQN.jpg

    The other candidate is the southern half of Britain.

    Here our Dutch foreign minister Stef Blok, who in a private gathering (but secretly filmed) asked the rhetorical question: “name me one multicultural society that is peaceful in the long run”. He also called former Dutch colony Suriname a “failed state” (narco-state) and added that America and Australia don’t count because there the indigenous population was genocided:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHRon64z9-M

    (He could have mentioned CW2 in the same fashion, multi-ethnic societies don’t work, never, nowhere)

    Blok narrowly survived politically after the predictable shit-storm. He is my favorite PM, once we get rid of empire, somewhere later this decade and we can whack/kick-out a few thousand Dutch empire water carriers, 1989-style and the West will be replaced by the voluntary, identitarian Imperium Europa (EU, Russia, US-Heartland or Eurosphere):

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/29/liebe-gruse-aus-santiago-de-chile/

  17. Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 4:58 am 

    “Do Civilisations Collapse?”

    Of course they do. Not overnight, but much quicker as it takes to build these civilizations. A bit like a cathedral that took 100 years or more to build and destroyed in an hour by a bomber.

    Examples of civilizations that collapsed:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts

    By 275 BC, Celtic civilization had occupied most of Europe. Thanks to Roman and Germanic invaders, Celtic civilization was pushed back to the British Isles. That fact and island status are the most plausible explanations for the fundamental anti-continental attitude of the English and Brexit is an expression of that attitude (nothing comes from nothing).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_people

    Germanic tribes may have overrun Rome in the end, but Christianity (“jewish Marxism for Antiquity”) prepared the ground for the undermining of Roman values (glorification of the strong), turning them into pussies (glorification of the weak) and easy prey for lesser sophisticated Germanic tribes.

    https://tinyurl.com/rd8pg4h

    Now the collapse of the racially Marxist West is next, after the economic Marxist USSR went down first.

    “Good riddance to the West”, as they say in Croatia.lol:

    https://www.total-croatia-news.com/lifestyle/41325-croatia-good-riddance-uk

    In a collapsing Marxist-Christian-Humanistic West, the future is to the war lords, until a new civilization emerges from the rubble, that will look much more like Rome than Christendom.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw4vMZDItQo

  18. Davy on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 5:44 am 

    “Germanic tribes may have overrun Rome in the end, but Christianity (“jewish Marxism for Antiquity”) prepared the ground for the undermining of Roman values (glorification of the strong), turning them into pussies (glorification of the weak) and easy prey for lesser sophisticated Germanic tribes.”

    LOL, cloggo, more drivel out of you. You act like you know history but your history is just cherry-picked mixture used to support your white racist ideas. There is no true science in you because it is warped and dishonest. Real science is balanced and objective. Christianity mixed with Graco Roman values and knowledge turned out to be the most powerful force the world has ever seen. It became something that is nothing like “pussie”. It promoted science, knowledge, and action. It gave its people a reason to subjugate nature and other cultures. Colonization was justified because other nations were savages. Nature was seen as an enemy to be overcome. These destructive and barbaric tendencies that filled the European continent’s peoples were used to fight each other and the world. This is what you represent. Eurotardism is a disgusting remnant of the worst of human nature that is just now being seen how bad it really is. What good has come out of the Eurotard industrial revolution if the planet is destroyed? So many beautiful cultures were destroyed by euros. So many wonderful ecosystems trashed by euro ways of life. You are the pussy, cloggo!

  19. Davy on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 6:16 am 

    Intersectionality has important considerations but it is being used by the extreme left as a movement in itself instead of considerations of conditions within movements. IOW racism is now more important than something like the climate movement. Anti-racism is now racist because of extreme intersectionality. This is where the left is losing itself and at war with itself. It now is identity based with those identities at war with each other. There will never be unity is such a mess and this is why we see the left stumbling on everything. Its core of knowledge and fairness is now corrupted by ends justify the means and censorship. It reminds me of the narrow mindedness of the conservatives of the past who rejected science and progress in the name of stability. The LEFT is DEAD! And it was suicide.

    “Climate Activist Leaves Environmentalist Movement Because It’s “Too White”
    https://tinyurl.com/rdakj5g summit news

    “A Filipino climate activist wrote an article for VICE saying that she left the environmental movement because it was too “white…Hermes’ main bone of contention appears to be that her white comrades didn’t adequately embrace the notion of intersectionality, which basically means using climate change alarmism as a vehicle to push all your other demented far-left political demands. “Anti-racism and anti-capitalism need to be made part of organizing,” claims Hermes. “If “Green” policies fail to consider anti-racism and migrant rights, how is any person of colour supposed to feel voting for them or organizing in the same spaces?” Hermes apparently made activist leaders uncomfortable by drawing attention to their lack of diversity. “Whenever I would question the whiteness of these spaces and how strategies didn’t take race into account, I would be met with uncomfortable silences,” she writes, asserting that the mostly white activist leaders were not paying enough attention to what “whiteness, capitalism, and inequality have to do with climate change.”

  20. Cloggie on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 6:25 am 

    “Christianity mixed with Graco Roman values and knowledge turned out to be the most powerful force the world has ever seen.”

    You probably mean Greco-Roman.

    It was indeed the most powerful force the world has ever seen. But nitwits from the depths of Missouri get everything wrong. The maximum extension of the Roman empire was already achieved by 100 AD, when the Christian movement was still weak:

    https://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/100/index.html

    The first Christian Roman emperor ascended the throne as late as 306 AD:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great

    Everything that is great about Roman civilization was pre-Christian, anti-Christian. Christians were correctly seen as traitors, weaklings and were thrown for the lions. People like you, people who even volunteer to offer their sorry white asses to third worlders (“racism!”). Boy, do you deserve to be sold on a slave market. You are not fit to survive, regardless of how many prepper-goats you may have. These animals are not going to save you from a gang on a pick-up truck from St. Louis-East.

    “It promoted science, knowledge, and action.”

    Science, that is Greco-Roman, not Christian. The Dark Middle Ages were Christian and anti-scientific. It had to last more than thousands of years until the Renaissance in Italy, when some people began to show interest in the natural world and science. That movement was picked up in NW-Europe, when the Reformation pushed back Catholicism (7/7 Christianity) down to Protestantism (1/7 Christianity).

    “It gave its people a reason to subjugate nature and other cultures. Colonization was justified because other nations were savages.”

    Yeah, just like Americans, eh?

    “These destructive and barbaric tendencies that filled the European continent’s peoples were used to fight each other and the world.”

    Fighting is the norm throughout history. War is the natural state of man, as you are soon going to find out before you go under.

    “This is what you represent. Eurotardism is a disgusting remnant of the worst of human nature that is just now being seen how bad it really is. What good has come out of the Eurotard industrial revolution if the planet is destroyed?”

    The planet is not destroyed, not yet. Nothing is lost yet. It is Europe and not Amero-tards who are taking action like nobody else.

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2020/02/05/massive-decrease-emissions-in-the-european-union/

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2020/02/06/hydrogen-delta/

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2020/02/08/sewage-as-the-heat-pump-cold-side-in-brussels/

    And you are a disgusting hypocrite. You yourself are living the good European life, you fly with your fat arse intercontinental several times per year, you have a pickup truck (which you are going to use to flee from the darkies in CW2.lol), you have more than an average American and yet you whine about “Eurotards”, who created that civilization of which you pick the benefits, a civilization losers like you are unable to sustain, you fake treehugger. The first thing cowards like you will do is flee to Italian white safety. I hope the Italians take revenge for 1943 and throw you off an Alp, as they should do.

    “So many beautiful cultures were destroyed by euros.”

    On this planet there is only one beautiful culture and that is Europe, the rest can’t stand in its shadow. America is #2 with its soulless high-rise buildings and Johnny Cash, the rest is jungle and Asian copy cats.

    Thank God, the empire will be toast this decade and Anglo-Zionism will be destroyed, first by China in the South-China Sea, which will prompt CW2 and Euro-Siberia can finish the job by “liberating you back” and split you up, never to be heard of again, like the USSR.

  21. Davy on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 6:46 am 

    “Iowans Rage “They’re Dirty, Man”, Matt Taibbi Warns Des Moines Debacle Was “Waterloo For Democrats”
    https://tinyurl.com/wpaktm4 rolling stones

    “In a fiasco for the ages, the blue party faceplants in Iowa… To paraphrase the Joker: What do you get when you cross a political party that’s sold out for decades, with an electorate that’s been abandoned and treated like trash? Answer: What you fucking deserve!”

  22. Cloggie on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 6:47 am 

    Bye-bye globalization, good-riddance!

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/08/business/coronavirus-global-economy/index.html

    “The coronavirus is already hurting the world economy. Here’s why it could get really scary”

    Yet diseases can be far more damaging than natural disasters such as hurricanes or a tsunami, or other unpredictable events known as “black swans.” According to a study by the World Bank, a severe pandemic could cause economic losses equal to nearly 5% of global GDP, or more than $3 trillion. Losses from a weaker flu pandemic, such as the 2009 H1N1 virus, can still wipe 0.5% off global GDP.

    This could be the real crash, forget about peak-oil or climate change. And when diversity can be no longer bought off with the spills of the global economy, expect them to become looters. Ranking of countries that are most unstable-from-within:

    1. USA (by far)
    2. France
    3. Sweden
    4. UK
    5. Belgium
    6. Netherlands
    7. Germany

    It’s going to be a rough ride.

    There are “good” aspects too about a global pandemic. Nobody argues that there are too few people on the planet. Politicians, thank God, do not have the power to “reduce the population”, pandemics have, regardless how cruel that is. It is a force mostly outside the realm of human influence. A crashing world economy is also very good against emissions. Apart from Europe, Civilization Central, nobody else is able/willing to curb emissions.

  23. Cloggie on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 6:55 am 

    “Coronavirus Warning: How Importing Chinese Labourers Led to the Most Deadly Disease Event in Human History”

    https://www.eurocanadian.ca/2020/02/coronavirus-warning-how-importing-chinese-laborers-led-to-most-deadly-disease-event-human-history.html

  24. Davy on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 7:04 am 

    “And you are a disgusting hypocrite. You yourself are living the good European life”

    Bullshit cloggo, I am more European than you are. I have done my DNA. LOL. The modern Dutch DNA has been so corrupted by all that colonialism that they are mutt dogs. I was properly educated and have had good European wives (Spanish/French) and now (Northern Italian) I have also been educated by comparative cultures and spirituality including the Native Americanism of “Nature”. I admit my European backgrounds destructiveness of which you are the pure expression of the evil. Your white racist euro chauvinistic bullshit is what has destroyed the world and now you want to reinvent it. DISGUSTING!

    I on the other hand am pursuing a new way found in REAL Green realgreenadaptation.blog. This way goes past the past and looks towards the future through the lenses of collapse. Nobody can be blamed for where we are once acceptance of collapse is entered. It is what it is and that is basic human nature is corrupted when out of scale. All cultures that lose scale are eventually corrupted and this is the basis of civilization which is eventual collapse. It is not scaled properly to the planet and to local community so its destiny is growth then corruption then collapse. This just mirrors succession in nature and we are now in the downside of that process with global society.

    You are going down clown and at least here on this blog I have kicked your ass into the dirt. Almost everyone of your dear values are going down the drain as we speak because you are a Eurotard chauvinist techtard. I enjoy so much taking you down considering your hate and resentment. I have already neutered juanPee, makato, annoymouse, and the many extremist lefties here. Now it is your turn skumbag. LMFAO. Really, I just like seeing extremist get their nose rubbed in their own shit.

  25. Davy on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 7:13 am 

    “Bye-bye globalization, good-riddance!”

    LMFAO at the techtard. cloggo, your life of techno optimistic shit is going to face plant dumbass. Get a grip. The better way of looking at this is start bailing water from the sinking ship instead of jumping overboard seeing the mirage of an tropical paradise island off in the distance. Let’s accept the ship is sinking but also find ways to live while it goes down. REAL Green is a journey not the destination. The destination is collapse for all “HOPEFULLY” with rebirth. You are so far up your own ass thinking what is coming is going to benefit your white Eurotard racism combined with technotard bullshit that you are blind to what is ahead. Your highly complex and complicated Eurotard life will go back to a much more dangerous time but you think the golden decade is ahead after just a little pain. AGAIN, LMFAO AT THE TARD!

  26. JuanP on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 8:46 am 

    You want to be civilized, Americans and Canadians? Free Meng Wanzhou! That would be the civilized thing to do, barbarians!

  27. JuanP on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 9:00 am 

    Western civilization is collapsing. Of that there is little doubt. Good riddance!

  28. Cloggie on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 9:29 am 

    “Bullshit cloggo, I am more European than you are. I have done my DNA. LOL.”

    You “did your DNA” eh. Did you do your nails and butt as well.lol And a facelift while you were at it?

    “The modern Dutch DNA has been so corrupted by all that colonialism”

    And who is the racist here?! “Corrupted”. Which btw is BS. There is fairly little race-mixing here. That’s for Americans:

    https://www.infowars.com/video-white-liberals-apologize-for-slavery-by-kissing-boots-of-black-power-group-members/

    Unthinkable in the Netherlands.

    “Apartheid” is globally the 4th-best known Dutch word in the world, for good reason, after:

    3. Yankee
    2. Santaclaus
    1. dollar.

    We have more ethnic pride in our little finger than you in your thoroughly globalized, deracinated, Marxist, kosher-brainwashed body:

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2019/08/10/andre-rieux-playing-the-dutch-anthem-in-maastricht/

    Maastricht today, I saw only one Muslim woman in the crowd, singing somewhat uncomfortable the Dutch anthem, with the 2nd line “I am of German blood”.lol

    Btw, my father “did” our ancestor tree and turned out out to be 100% Protestant Saxon-Dutch for 400 years, where you are a Germanic-Slavic mongrel with borscht-stains on your t-shirt.lol

  29. Davy on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 10:17 am 

    “You want to be civilized, Americans and Canadians? Free Meng Wanzhou! That would be the civilized thing to do, barbarians! Western civilization is collapsing. Of that there is little doubt. Good riddance!”

    Fuck off juanPee, you have no clue what civilized is you are a pure psychopathic egotistical low IQ mentally ill asshole. Lots of words there but that is what is needed describing what you are

  30. Davy on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 10:26 am 

    “And who is the racist here?! “Corrupted”. Which btw is BS. There is fairly little race-mixing here. That’s for Americans:”

    LOL, cloggo can’t tell sarc but it is true in his racist point of view he likely is a mongrel.

    “We have more ethnic pride in our little finger than you in your thoroughly globalized, deracinated, Marxist, kosher-brainwashed body”

    Bullshit, cloggo, Eurotards are so down on themselves and so timid about their nationalism. I actually prefer euro’s in this regard. I hate the fake flag waiving but the USA has twice the nationalistic spirit. The only one close is China

    “Btw, my father “did” our ancestor tree and turned out out to be 100% Protestant Saxon-Dutch for 400 years, where you are a Germanic-Slavic mongrel with borscht-stains on your t-shirt.lol”

    Family trees are notoriously inaccurate unless special protocol is followed. A DNA test is needed to verify things in my opinion. Cloggo, I am mostly German/Dutch from mom’s side. Dad is English/Irish/Czech with a little German/French. This has been verified by an extensive family tree.

  31. Cloggie on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 10:31 am 

    “The Gulag Was More Murderous Than Hitler’s Camps” – Eric Margolis

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/02/eric-margolis/the-gulag-was-more-murderous-than-hitlers-camps/

    An estimated 10 million political prisoners were murdered in the Soviet Gulag during Trotsky and Stalin’s regimes. Some leading Russians historians say up to 20 million died in the Gulag. That’s well double the number claimed to have died or been killed in Nazi camps.

    Note, Eric Margolis is half-jewish himself.

    Even he begins to doubt the official All-lied tale. For good reason.

  32. Davy on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 10:38 am 

    more Natzi apologies from the cloggo

  33. Cloggie on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 10:46 am 

    More weasel remarks from the idiot from the Ozarks who wouldn’t dare discussing WW2, because he knows he gets his sorry ass kicked. This goes on for years now.

    WW2: the US intentional killing spree against continental Europeans with the purpose to set up the US empire and “American Century”. There isn’t going to be a second one.

    And now it is all over. Retribution is underway, from all sides. The net is closing around empire dave, not least of all from inside his country:

    https://www.infowars.com/report-fbi-puts-white-nationalists-and-neo-nazis-on-the-same-threat-level-as-isis/

    Totally surrounded.

  34. REAL Green on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 10:51 am 

    We just lost the debate again Davy. But were to stupid to figger it out.

  35. Antius on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 11:29 am 

    “By 275 BC, Celtic civilization had occupied most of Europe. Thanks to Roman and Germanic invaders, Celtic civilization was pushed back to the British Isles. That fact and island status are the most plausible explanations for the fundamental anti-continental attitude of the English and Brexit is an expression of that attitude (nothing comes from nothing).”

    Celtic is quite a loose expression and probably didn’t mean to the Romans what it does today. It is doubtful that France was full of Welsh and Irish prior to the Roman invasion.

    The Scottish and the Welsh are both described as ‘Celtic’. But racially they are very different people. Welsh was the first language in the north of England until the 12th century. Yet the people of Cumbria, whilst Celtic in some sense, have a different ancestry to the Scottish and Welsh.

    It is very difficult to know exactly who the pre-Roman peoples of Europe were relative to who lives there today. There are some lines of evidence that suggest eastern England has always been Germanic and that the divisions between England, Scotland and Wales may predate the Roman conquest.

  36. Richard Guenette on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 11:33 am 

    Tens of thousands of years ago, the ancestors of the Native American tribes came from Siberia.

  37. Richard Guenette on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 11:38 am 

    There was nobody living in the Americas before the Native American peoples and tribes arrived.

  38. Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 4:54 pm 

    “’Warsaw is closer to Moscow than to Washington’: Ex-president Walesa vows to break ice in Poland-Russia ties“

    https://www.rt.com/news/480427-walesa-poland-russia-ties/

    Sorry, neocons.

  39. Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 9th Feb 2020 5:19 pm 

    Houses collapse due to termites.
    Countries collapse due to these people:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/vjQ4XNDU2Zof/

    “JEWISH NGO DIRECTOR ON NORWAY BEING TOO WHITE: “THERE IS A JOB TO BE DONE. WE HAVE GOOD FUNDING.””

    Obviously, Israel needs to be a jewish state. I think there are too few Turks and Iranians in Israel, this needs to change.

    Funding comes from the US and the Fed.
    Next time we’ll skip the train session.

  40. supremacist muzzies lover all the way on Mon, 10th Feb 2020 12:41 am 

    all tards and supertards are functional muzzies, it’s only a techncial matter to have sex change operation and become sinead o’connor then pledge muzzie

    “i testify there’s no allah and muzzie mohamad is a pedifile”.

    they’re functional muzzies because they fight so much, but not enough. they need to orgnaize lemon party and kill all participants then have sex with the corpses.

    “‘lo fighting is prescribed for you even though you dont liek it”

  41. supremacist muzzies lover all the way on Mon, 10th Feb 2020 2:03 am 

    muzzie killed two soldiers
    with all that money we don’t have drones circlig and spray metals at any muzie that move?

  42. Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 10th Feb 2020 3:12 am 

    Great news from Germany: mini-Merkel Karrenbauer has announced she will resign from the CDU presidency and will not be the next chancellor. That will probably be Friedrich Merz, an Atlanticist for sure, but much more conservative. He would never let in 1.5 million Muslim invaders like happened in 2015-2016.

    https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/annegret-kramp-karrenbauer-kuendigt-ruecktritt-als-cdu-chefin-an-a-7fae3f80-1509-4ec8-8143-45b500f19d3d

    Maybe, just maybe, he could be persuaded into a coalition with the AfD in 2022, the likely pivotal year in Europe.

  43. Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 10th Feb 2020 3:45 am 

    Peter Hitchins – “Britain is dead”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMy86XCm9ls

    Listened to this last night. He is deeply skeptical about the Tory party, which in his view is essentially “Blairite” (obviously without the EU stance).

    The decline of Britain (obviously) began in 1914. WW1 in Hitchins’ deceptive or plain daft view is a Russo-German war that got out of hand, where in reality the British deep state masterminded WW1, carefully planned for since 1891 from London, with the motivation to keep Britain the first power in the world, because otherwise the 20th century would have been German (and not Anglo-Zionist as it turned out to be, thank to Versailles and WW2, but I digress). The golden idea of a German-British alliance, as promoted by the likes of British rightwingers like Mosley and Ramsey…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Club

    … is obviously a bridge too far for our (((insular splendid isolationalist))) and former Trotskyite-turned-conservative, who would have been sidelined in such a construction.

    Nevertheless I sort of like this guy. He is honest enough not to demonize Germany and explain WW2 from Versailes, leaving out of course the Big Three RCS conspiracy that was WW2, the largest conspiracy in world history.

    I totally agree with him that the family and not the state is the basis of any healthy society.

    He is also realistic enough not to have grand expectations from Brexit, which he supports. What he wants, but won’t get, is the conservative wet dream of pastoral Merry Olde England, with estates and open fire, sipping tea from Wedgwood porcelain, while sitting in a Chesterfield chair, browsing through Shakespeare and smoking a Sherlock Holmes pipe.

    Not going to happen. A conservative is essentially a passive guy, who sits in his study, waiting for a Bolshevik to pick him up and throw him in the Gulag.

    What you need is right-wingers, with an Antifa-like cut-throat activism:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwCq_lNmwko

    (the one with English subtitles has been censored)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ncQdyMuFCw

    Austria:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5eq-4xEAKk

    (They all avoid the JQ)

  44. Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 10th Feb 2020 4:07 am 

    „SPD und Linke befürchten Rechtsruck in der CDU“

    https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2020-02/cdu-krise-annegret-kramp-karrenbauer-ruecktritt-thueringen-liveblog

    The German socialists and Left fear a shift to the Right.

    That fear is correct!

  45. Davy on Mon, 10th Feb 2020 4:40 am 

    “The Death Rate Is Up To 5%”: The Harrowing Admission Of A Wuhan Doctor”
    https://tinyurl.com/vfej4k7 straits times

    “In an interview on Tuesday with Caixin, Dr Peng described his personal experiences in first encountering the disease in early January and quickly grasping its virulent potential and the need for stringent quarantine measures. As the contagion spread and flooded his ICU, the doctor observed that three weeks seemed to determine the difference between life and death. Patients with stronger immune systems would start to recover in a couple of weeks, but in the second week, some cases would take a turn for the worse. In the third week, keeping some of these acute patients alive might require extraordinary intervention. For this group, the death rate seems to be 4 per cent to 5 per cent…I’ve observed that the breakout period of the novel coronavirus tends to be three weeks, from the onset of symptoms to developing difficulties breathing. Basically going from mild to severe symptoms takes about a week. There are all sorts of mild symptoms: feebleness, shortness of breath, some people have fevers, some don’t. Based on studies of our 138 cases, the most common symptoms in the first stage are fever (98.6 per cent of cases), feebleness (69.6 per cent), cough (59.4 per cent), muscle pains (34.8 per cent), difficulties breathing (31.2%), while less common symptoms include headaches, dizziness, stomach pain, diarrhea, nausea, vomiting. But some patients who enter the second week will suddenly get worse. At this stage, people should go to the hospital. The elderly with underlying conditions may develop complications; some may need machine-assisted respiration. When the body’s other organs start to fail, that’s when it becomes severe, while those with strong immune systems see their symptoms decrease in severity at this stage and gradually recover. So the second week is what determines whether the illness becomes critical. For most, the illness is over in two weeks, whereas for those for whom the illness becomes sever Based on my clinical observations, this disease is highly contagious, but the mortality rate is low. Those that progressed into the life-threatening stage often occurred in the elderly already with chronic diseases, if they can survive three weeks, they’re good. Those that can’t will die in three weeks…The percentage of deaths among life-threatening cases is about 15 per cent. The mean period to go from slight conditions to life-threatening conditions is about 10 days…The biggest assault the virus launches is on a patient’s immune system. It causes a fall in the count of lymphocytes, the damage in the lungs and shortness of breath. Many serious patients died of choking. Others died of the failure of multiple organs following complications in their organs resulting from a collapse of the immune system…a third of patients exhibited inflammation in their whole body. It was not necessarily limited to young adults. The mechanism of a cytokine storm is about whole-body inflammation, which leads to a failure of multiple organs and quickly evolves into the terminal stage. In some fast-progressing cases, it took two to three days to progress from whole-body inflammation to the life-threatening stage.”

  46. Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 10th Feb 2020 4:57 am 

    “Patients with stronger immune systems”

    The only thing you can do if this develops in a truly global pandemic is strengthening your immune system.

    It took me 1 month to get used to a new routine of: the usual shower in the morning with the last minute cold. On Saturday 5 minutes.

    The first time you won’t hold out more than 5 seconds, but every day you can increase. After a month it becomes normal.

    https://www.runtastic.com/blog/en/cold-shower-benefits/

    “A cold shower in the morning does more than wake you up and improve your circulation. The cold and warm stimuli constrict and dilate your blood vessels, which strengthens your immune system.”

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0161749
    This pragmatic randomized controlled trial is the first study showing that a routine cold shower has a beneficial effect on health.

    https://www.amazon.com/Smash-Your-Comfort-Zone-Showers-ebook/dp/B07K2KLC3Y/ref=sr_1_1

  47. Dredd on Mon, 10th Feb 2020 5:38 am 

    Buildings collapse, civilizations commit suicide (How To Identify The Despotic Minority – 14).

  48. Davy on Mon, 10th Feb 2020 5:43 am 

    “In The Bubble: Trump’s Presidency Reveals 7 Undeniable Facts About The Swamp”
    https://tinyurl.com/rp5odsk zero hedge

    “Although Trump may appear invincible at the time of this writing, ask yourselves who controls the helium to the biggest economic balloons. The stock market is the pressure release valve. But when the bond market blows, the USD is toast. And, as supply chains snap and the bankers foreclose on the world, there will be ever-expanding pain for everyone to varying degrees, as the earth exhales.Therefore, all current global trends, including especially Coronavirus®, are about establishing control prior to the advent of a new order. Although the immediate future will be anarchy, out of that chaos will come order administered by technological switches and gates. And the future will be cashless because slavery is rooted in economics.”

  49. Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 10th Feb 2020 5:56 am 

    The stock market is the pressure release valve. But when the bond market blows, the USD is toast.

    Good observation Davy!

    The real distribution of economic strength all over the planet, masked by the dollar reserve currency:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_current_account_balance

    The largest surplus countries:

    1. Germany 296,600 2017 EST.
    2. Japan 195,400 2017 EST.
    3. China 164,900 2017 EST.
    4. Netherlands 80,880 2017 EST.
    5. South Korea 78,460 2017 EST.
    6. Switzerland 63,210 2017 EST.
    7. Singapore 60,990 2017 EST.
    8. Italy 56,070 2017 EST.
    9. Thailand 49,280 2017 EST.
    10. Ireland 41,880 2017 EST.
    11. Russia 40,250 2017 EST

    The largest deficit countries:

    1. United States -466,200 2017 EST.
    2. United Kingdom -106,700 2017 EST.
    3. India -57,200 2018-19 EST.
    4. Canada -49,260 2017 EST.

  50. Davy on Mon, 10th Feb 2020 5:58 am 

    “Who Can Now Say America Hasn’t Become A Mega-Corporate Dictatorship?”
    https://tinyurl.com/s33gba7 zero hedge

    “When a nation’s billionaires control not only its mega-corporations but its government, that small group — who do business with one-another — constitute a national dictatorship which is just as bad as in feudal times when a tiny aristocracy (who also did business with one-another) controlled the government and were a collective dictatorship over the entire nation’s population. A king isn’t required in order for there to be a dictatorship. Most dictatorships are aristocratic, not monarchical. Furthermore, in almost all monarchies, the king represents, and comes from, his class — the aristocracy. A collective dictatorship is no better, or worse, than is a one-person dictatorship. There are, according to the latest count by Forbes (as of 2019), 607 billionaires in the U.S., and these people include, for example, Jack Dorsey who controls Twitter, and Eric Schmidt and John Doerr who mainly control Google, as well as Mark Zuckerberg who controls Facebook. Of course, Bezos, Buffett, the Waltons, the Kochs, and hundreds of others, are also among these 607: but, still, it’s this group of people (plus perhaps a hundred of the mere centi-millionaires) who actually control mega-corporate America including its government — they also hire and control millions of employees and other agents such as law firms and lobbyists — and the other 330 million Americans do not possess such control, but instead only work for them, and sell to them, and buy from them, and view the world through their media. Most importantly, the other 330 million Americans receive their television and radio and newspaper and magazine ‘news’ from the country’s billionaires, and vote for the U.S. President and members of Congress on the basis of that news, which is virtually entirely filtered by appointees of these 607 people, not only as being controlling owners of the media but as being (controlling) the largest advertisers in all of the major media. The largest advertisers participate, with the media-owners, in controlling the media. It’s all the same group of fewer than a thousand individuals, who collectively control America.”

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