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Who will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 19 Jun 2019, 18:27:29

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Joe Biden really is dumb as a stump. :lol: :lol: :-D 8) :roll:

He was boasting today about how great he got along with various racist Ds when he was in the Senate. He complimented them by saying how "civil" they were.

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Needless to say, other Ds are now ripping Old White Joe to shreds for hanging out with the racists.

I can't believe Biden was so stupid as to talk about the D party and its racist past. Ohmigosh what a schlemiel Joe Biden is.

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Now Joe Biden is boasting about how great he got along with all the racist and segregationist D senators back in the day.

I wonder if the other Ds will ask him about this at the first D debate? 8) :-D :P :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:

And I wonder how long Biden's support in the black community in the south will last when they find out Joe was good buddies with the same racists who passed all the "Jim Crow" laws in the south.

Biden is toast now. The Ds will have to jettison him and go with plan "B".

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Re: Who will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

Unread postby mmasters » Wed 19 Jun 2019, 18:41:05

I think the plan B is plan Bernie. That's where the energy of the Ds is now, on the fringe left.
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Re: Who will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 19 Jun 2019, 18:54:49

The DNC didn't want Bernie in 2016 so they did everything they could to help Hillary, including giving her the debate questions in advance.

I doubt the DNC is any more favorable towards Bernie now then they were in 2016. Trump has already been making fun of Bernie because the DNC seems to be working against him again, and once again Bernie isn't fighting back. Bernie is a great guy---I supported him early on in 2016, but he isn't really part of the D establishment----heck he isn't even part of the D party. Bernie is officially an independent.

I think the DNC is tilting towards Elizabeth Warren. She's on the left, just like Bernie, but Warren is a D in good standing and Warren is surging in the polls right now so things are moving her way.

AND, In My Humble Opinion the DNC most likely rigged the debates so Warren is the only major candidate on the first night. This will give her a big chance to shine, as she is set to be the star of the first night of D debates and make a great first impression on America.

Bernie, Joe, and the rest of the leading candidates are all shuffled off to night two where they will have to slug it out with each other and it will be much harder to stand out from the crowd. I think the DNC did this on purpose to make things a little tougher for Bernie and the rest relegated to appearing on night two.

I also expect the DNC will give Warren the debate questions in advance, just as they did for Hillary back in 2016, so Warren can look great on the first night of the debates.

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Re: Who will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

Unread postby gollum » Wed 19 Jun 2019, 20:40:09

My money is on Biden since he's the most electable. I don't think the party elite or the rank and file are in any mood to put principles over practicality this year. Not having said that will Biden actually be able to beat Trump? It's anyone's guess bit I do think the more time goes on the more weaknesses Biden will have exposed.
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Re: Who will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 19 Jun 2019, 20:49:36

gollum wrote:My money is on Biden since he's the most electable.


How electable is Biden if he makes stupid gaffes all the time?

I mean Biden just said he got along great with racist segregationists from the south. Thats not going to go over very well with woke voters or with black voters.

gollum wrote:I don't think the party elite or the rank and file are in any mood to put principles over practicality this year. Not having said that will Biden actually be able to beat Trump? It's anyone's guess bit I do think the more time goes on the more weaknesses Biden will have exposed.


The Ds don't have to go with Biden to win....pretty much all the Ds are ahead of Trump in the polls right now. Yes Biden is doing the best in the polls right now, but he could easily blow it----.

In fact I think Biden did just blow it. Much of Biden's support right now is coming from black Ds. Watch that support melt away as black Ds like Kamala Harris and Corey Booker start calling Biden a racist. The same thing happened with Hillary in 2008----she was way ahead in the polls and then Obama showed up and black D voters switched from Hillary to Obama. I think something like will happen again, with black D voters dropping Biden and switching their support to Harris and/or Booker.

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Re: Who will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

Unread postby asg70 » Wed 19 Jun 2019, 21:02:08

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Re: Who will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

Unread postby gollum » Wed 19 Jun 2019, 21:22:15

Plantagenet wrote:
gollum wrote:My money is on Biden since he's the most electable.


How electable is Biden if he makes stupid gaffes all the time?

I mean Biden just said he got along great with racist segregationists from the south. Thats not going to go over very well with woke voters or with black voters.

gollum wrote:I don't think the party elite or the rank and file are in any mood to put principles over practicality this year. Not having said that will Biden actually be able to beat Trump? It's anyone's guess bit I do think the more time goes on the more weaknesses Biden will have exposed.


The Ds don't have to go with Biden to win....pretty much all the Ds are ahead of Trump in the polls right now. Yes Biden is doing the best in the polls right now, but he could easily blow it----.

In fact I think Biden did just blow it. Much of Biden's support right now is coming from black Ds. Watch that support melt away as black Ds like Kamala Harris and Corey Booker start calling Biden a racist. The same thing happened with Hillary in 2008----she was way ahead in the polls and then Obama showed up and black D voters switched from Hillary to Obama. I think something like will happen again, with black D voters dropping Biden and switching their support to Harris and/or Booker.

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Given the rest of the field and the electoral map Biden is the democrats best bet, Not one of the other candidates is going to have a snowballs chance in hell of turning the swing states.
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Re: Who will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

Unread postby Cog » Wed 19 Jun 2019, 21:32:03

Biden is perceived as a centrist although he is trying desperately to adopt left wing positions now. Biden is the only one who could beat Trump. The rest of the herd embrace various forms and degrees of democratic socialism.
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Re: Who will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 19 Jun 2019, 21:44:24

From THE GUARDIAN:

"Biden’s comments, designed to illustrate his claim that one of his greatest strengths was to “bring people together”, drew immediate condemnation from Democrats, including his rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senators Cory Booker, Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders.

Booker called for the former vice-president to issue “an immediate apology”.

“You don’t joke about calling black men ‘boys’. Men like James O Eastland used words like that, and the racist policies that accompanied them, to perpetuate white supremacy and strip black Americans of our very humanity,” Booker said in a statement.

He said: “Biden’s relationships with proud segregationists are not the model for how we make America a safer and more inclusive place for black people, and for everyone.”

New York’s mayor, Bill de Blasio, another 2020 Democratic candidate, noted on Twitter that Eastland had sought to outlaw mixed race families and believed that “whites were entitled to ‘the pursuit of dead n*ggers’”.

It’s past time for apologies or evolution from @JoeBiden,” De Blasio wrote. “He repeatedly demonstrates that he is out of step with the values of the modern Democratic Party.”"

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Biden is toast.

He's going to lose the support of black Ds and "woke" leftists just like Hillary did in 2008.
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Re: Who will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

Unread postby gollum » Wed 19 Jun 2019, 22:09:13

Cog wrote:Biden is perceived as a centrist although he is trying desperately to adopt left wing positions now. Biden is the only one who could beat Trump. The rest of the herd embrace various forms and degrees of democratic socialism.




Winner winner chicken dinner! Biden will most likely be the nominee but by the time he secures it he'll be driven so far left he'll never be able to capture swing voters and because of gaffes like this he may not get the base to come out for him either. Still with all that said Biden is the one I worry about most as far as actually beating Trump.
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Re: Who will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 19 Jun 2019, 22:20:26

Biden is refusing to apologize for saying he got along fine with racists and segregationists when he was in the Senate.

Biden refuses to apologize for past interactions with racists and segreagationists

In fact, Biden is now demanding that Booker apologize to him because Booker asked him for an apology. Its like an apology war....who will apologize first!

So the D primary race has finally heated up and become interesting. Hopefully Biden and Booker will both keep demanding the other one apologize first all the way to the debates. :lol: :roll:

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Re: Who will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

Unread postby gollum » Wed 19 Jun 2019, 22:24:09

Plantagenet wrote:Biden is refusing to apologize for saying he got along fine with racists and segregationists when he was in the Senate.

Biden refuses to apologize for past interactions with racists and segreagationists

In fact, Biden is now demanding that Booker apologize to him because Booker asked him for an apology. Its like an apology war....who will apologize first!

So the D primary race has finally heated up and become interesting. Hopefully Biden and Booker will both keep demanding the other one apologize first all the way to the debates. :lol: :roll:

Cheers!


I'm hoping one slaps the other in the face with a white glove and demands satisfaction, then follows up concluding in two state funerals. That's probably a lot to ask for but what the hell.
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Re: Who will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

Unread postby Cog » Thu 20 Jun 2019, 03:18:21

I'm going to be watching the debates with a Democrat female acquaintance of mine. I hope there are plenty of fireworks to make this a worthwhile endeavor. A gladiatorial contest if you will. Spartacus Booker in the main arena.
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Re: Who will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 20 Jun 2019, 12:00:03

Picked this on realclearpolitics, seems to fit right in here.

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Re: Who will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 20 Jun 2019, 13:38:54

Cog wrote:I'm going to be watching the debates with a Democrat female acquaintance of mine. I hope there are plenty of fireworks to make this a worthwhile endeavor. A gladiatorial contest if you will.


I can't tell if you are talking about the debates or about the interactions between you and your female acquaintance!

Just kidding.

I recommend champagne.

Classy, fun, and gets everyone in the mood.

Good luck!
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Re: Who will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

Unread postby evilgenius » Sun 23 Jun 2019, 11:00:13

Cog wrote:Biden is perceived as a centrist although he is trying desperately to adopt left wing positions now. Biden is the only one who could beat Trump. The rest of the herd embrace various forms and degrees of democratic socialism.

That's not entirely true. Hickenlooper denounced socialism the other day, and was booed. He's been warning about how dangerous it is. Nobody on the left is listening to him. There is a childlike fascination going on with socialism on the left in America. AOC talks like I did when I was her age. That was before I discovered that capitalism has to evolve into the next thing. Capitalism is not expressly the enemy. There is a form of it that is, which is aligned with those who have been able to use the law to establish their case over many decades and ensure that their competition, whether for ownership or as stakeholders, is subsumed. Many can see this corporate welfare. It's become so pervasive that it has caused huge distortions in society. It's too easy when young, however, to see that as the only form, and to cut off debate upon what other forms might be out there. That being the case, they aren't willing to accept the criticism of socialism that you might see in Europe, where the arguments are better understood and shorthand passes back and forth rather than debate concerning basics. European socialism is different because they have faced the evils, and adopted a socialism that doesn't embrace them. It's one form, Jeremy Corbyn aside, for one thing, that doesn't have any problem losing power in an election, or passing out of power for a protracted period of time. It has become, by its nature, subservient to democracy.
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Re: Who will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Sun 23 Jun 2019, 11:29:10

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Re: Who will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 26 Jun 2019, 20:20:57

Beto is looking good at the debate. He gave his answer in Spanish, and nothing says D like a politician pretending to be Hispanic or pretending to be an Indian.

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Re: Who will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 26 Jun 2019, 20:24:21

The moderators are going back to Warren again and again.

First the DNC rigged the "random" draw so Warren is the star of the first night, and now the moderators are going back to Warren between every question......

Next we'll find out that they gave Warren all the questions in advance, the way they did for Hillary when she was in debates.

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Re: Who will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

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