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When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 16 Feb 2019, 16:06:44

"... blame the “other” guy ... "

Exactly what cog is doing on the other thread, and yet you defend it there....hmmm...
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Cog » Sat 16 Feb 2019, 16:45:05

dohboi wrote:"... blame the “other” guy ... "

Exactly what cog is doing on the other thread, and yet you defend it there....hmmm...


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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 16 Feb 2019, 17:20:38

I can only deal with one thread a time. I’ve no idea what your talking about.

So what complaint do you have with this thread or my above post?
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Cog » Sat 16 Feb 2019, 18:13:50

dohboi doesn't like his own hypocrisy pointed out to him. He reacts and projects his bad feelings onto others. The left's motto is always accuse the other side of that which you are doing yourself. It works on the simple-minded.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 16 Feb 2019, 20:18:33

No ganaging, this is a discussion between Dohboi and myself.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 18 Feb 2019, 19:51:11

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/20 ... WQWIWhVztc

Catastrophic collapse': Plunging insect numbers threaten 'survival of mankind'
"We are mortal beings doomed to die
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 18 Feb 2019, 20:20:38

Kinda makes our partisan bicker look pretty petty, no?

This was just one of the top 5 stories on Fox. Keeping our priorities straight ya know.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/k ... ugler-gown
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby jedrider » Mon 18 Feb 2019, 23:19:04

Newfie wrote:Kinda makes our partisan bicker look pretty petty, no?

This was just one of the top 5 stories on Fox. Keeping our priorities straight ya know.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/k ... ugler-gown


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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Wed 20 Feb 2019, 19:00:24

Egypt is getting the message.
https://middle-east-online.com/en/popul ... two-enough

As Egypt's population heads towards 100 million, the government is trying to change the minds of people like Ghanem. "Two Is Enough" is the government's first family-planning campaign aiming to challenge traditions of large families in rural Egypt. But Ghanem's wish to have a son shows how hard that could be.

"The main challenge is that we're trying to change a way of thinking," said Randa Fares, coordinator of the campaign at the Social Solidarity Ministry. "To change a way of thinking is difficult."
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 20 Feb 2019, 23:16:44

Thanks for that link, vt. News to me. Egypt, of course, has lots of other...issues...to deal with as well.

Meanwhile, one more to add to the extinction files:


Australian Rat Declared Extinct Due To Man-Made Climate Change


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/australi ... 7a1ed47b1c
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 21 Feb 2019, 23:44:30

World's Food Supply Under 'Severe Threat' From Loss of Biodiversity

https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... odiversity
The world’s capacity to produce food is being undermined by humanity’s failure to protect biodiversity, according to the first UN study of the plants, animals and micro-organisms that help to put meals on our plates.

The stark warning was issued by the Food and Agriculture Organisation after scientists found evidence the natural support systems that underpin the human diet are deteriorating around the world as farms, cities and factories gobble up land and pump out chemicals.

... “Around the world, the library of life that has evolved over billions of years – our biodiversity – is being destroyed, poisoned, polluted, invaded, fragmented, plundered, drained and burned at a rate not seen in human history,” Ireland’s president, Michael Higgins, said at a biodiversity conference in Dublin on Thursday. “If we were coal miners we’d be up to our waists in dead canaries.”
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 11 Mar 2019, 22:17:39

Rainfall Changes for Key Crops Predicted even with Reduced Greenhouse Gas Emissions
https://phys.org/news/2019-03-rainfall- ... e-gas.html

Even if humans radically reduce greenhouse gas emissions soon, important crop-growing regions of the world can expect changes to rainfall patterns by 2040. In fact, some regions are already experiencing new climatic regimes compared with just a generation ago. The study, published March 11 in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, warns that up to 14 percent of land dedicated to wheat, maize, rice and soybean will be drier, while up to 31 percent will be wetter

Drier regions include Southwestern Australia, Southern Africa, southwestern South America, and the Mediterranean, according to the study. Wheat cropland in Central Mexico is also headed for a drier future. Wetter areas include Canada, Russia, India and the Eastern United States.

The four crops in the study represent about 40 percent of global caloric intake and the authors say that, regardless of how much mitigation is achieved, all regions—both wetter and drier—need to invest in adaptation, and do so urgently in areas expected to see major changes in the next couple of decades.

Drier conditions are expected for many major wheat producers. In Australia, about 27 percent of wheat-growing land will see less precipitation, under a mid-emissions scenario. Algeria (100 percent), Morocco (91 percent), South Africa (79 percent), Mexico (74 percent), Spain (55 percent), Chile (40 percent), Turkey (28 percent), Italy (20 percent) and Egypt (15 percent) are other major producers that will be affected.


Maisa Rojas el al., "Emergence of robust precipitation changes across crop production areas in the 21st century," PNAS (2019).
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Revi » Tue 12 Mar 2019, 08:13:11

Mass die off will be within about 20 years. We are getting close to the drop off of the Seneca Cliff, and that will cause problems for food production as well as the problems that climate change will bring. It takes diesel to make most crops. When costs go up it's hard to make any profit from farming. I know fishermen need a cheap diesel and bait price to catch seafood. The amount of food produced could drop dramatically with less available and more expensive fossil fuel.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 12 Mar 2019, 08:26:59

Fishing is becoming a losing proposition. Not enough fish left to warrant the effort.

Fishing is very heavily regulated and capital intensive. So you might have 1-2 million wrapped up in a boat that has a three week license. Sure they make great money in those : weeks, but the boat sets idle for 49 weeks a year. That’s an extreme example but not unheard of. Many places 10 weeks is about all they get.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Ibon » Tue 12 Mar 2019, 12:56:34

Newfie wrote:Fishing is becoming a losing proposition. Not enough fish left to warrant the effort.



Does this represent the beginning of a slow recovery of fish stocks when the fishery no longer becomes economically viable?

This is what happened with whaling in the mid 20th century.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Tue 12 Mar 2019, 16:27:46

Ibon wrote:
Newfie wrote:Fishing is becoming a losing proposition. Not enough fish left to warrant the effort.



Does this represent the beginning of a slow recovery of fish stocks when the fishery no longer becomes economically viable?

This is what happened with whaling in the mid 20th century.

This may well be the case, unless new technology allowing further exploitation of currently unprofitable fisheries is developed.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Cog » Tue 12 Mar 2019, 18:20:49

Is die-off always 20 years in the future? Because it that is the case, I'm ok with it.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 12 Mar 2019, 18:50:49

As far as I know we are already about rock bottom. They have been bringing new fish to market for the last 40 years. They introduce them, they deplete them, they move on to something else. One of the most recent was “Orange Roughy”. That’s now an endangered species.

We are about out of new species to exploit. I’m see reports the fish biomass is down about 90%. China has been caught making massive lies about their catches. It’s really a bad scene.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby careinke » Tue 12 Mar 2019, 18:52:46

Cog wrote:Is die-off always 20 years in the future? Because it that is the case, I'm ok with it.


I'm pretty sure it will arrive just before commercial fusion reactors.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 13 Mar 2019, 09:26:49

An interesting report from the New York Post if all places.

I like it because it talks about the multiplicity of problems we face. Threat integration.

https://nypost.com/2019/03/13/dire-un-c ... lanet/amp/
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