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When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Revi » Fri 01 Feb 2019, 10:55:22

dohboi wrote:Collapse is upon here

It's a process, not an event

Worth a read:

(Chris Martenson)

https://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/114 ... ink_114741


One can see it around here. We live in a cold northern climate, but there are lots of homeless people here. I don't know how else to put it. Humans can't live here in the cold, but they are not provided with shelter. There are lots of abandoned houses around here also. This society is not providing places for a lot of people to live any more. There are jobs and things still seem to function, but it's all at a basic level. It costs about $15 day to heat a house, so that means every person has to have that just to live during the winter months. A lot of people camp out all summer.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Ibon » Fri 01 Feb 2019, 11:11:19

Revi wrote:
dohboi wrote:Collapse is upon here

It's a process, not an event

Worth a read:

(Chris Martenson)

https://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/114 ... ink_114741


One can see it around here. We live in a cold northern climate, but there are lots of homeless people here. I don't know how else to put it. Humans can't live here in the cold, but they are not provided with shelter. There are lots of abandoned houses around here also. This society is not providing places for a lot of people to live any more. There are jobs and things still seem to function, but it's all at a basic level. It costs about $15 day to heat a house, so that means every person has to have that just to live during the winter months. A lot of people camp out all summer.


There is a universal truth that regions with colder climates develop harder working cultures. This was true before but not anymore. In the past if you did not plan ahead and prepare for the long winter you died. Tropical regions with year round climates have mostly developed cultures a bit more laid back without the urgency of preparing for the long haul of winters deprivations.

Today we have a decadent population living in the northern latitudes, large percentage of the population fully dependent on our modern way of life with very little self reliance skills.

In the tropics there is this segment as well but there is always the province, the family land out in the countryside where papayas, guavas, avocados, plaintains, casava, chickens, beef, goats, etc. .etc. thrive.

I don't think we have discussed much here the vulnerability of northern latitudes on a population totally decadent on lacking self reliance and survival skills.

Winter hones species to survival.... Kudzu Ape hasn't been honed for a long time.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby KingM » Fri 01 Feb 2019, 11:52:53

There have been numerous great civilizations in warmer climates.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Ibon » Fri 01 Feb 2019, 12:50:38

KingM wrote:There have been numerous great civilizations in warmer climates.


Was I suggesting otherwise?

If you believe that than you suffer from a puritan work ethic.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 01 Feb 2019, 13:17:28

I don’t know, I’ve said (French) OFTEN enough living in a temperate climate is a luxury.

I get your point that it takes a kind of Protestant work ethic to thrive in a colder climate and that now, withnour flood of crap calories, that edge has worn off. It will return soon enough.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Fri 01 Feb 2019, 13:21:51

:mrgreen: Glad to see Martenson is onboard with my "It's a process, not an event." Now all he has to do is admit that the dieoff started around 1800 when the human population exceeded the capacity of the natural healing processes. It has been slowly gaining momentum ever since, as our numbers grew. First the wild species die, then our food species, and then us.

Only fools would even ask "When will the mass dieoff begin?".
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 01 Feb 2019, 13:35:54

Yesm the 6th Great Mass Extinction begun sometime ago and has been gaining momentum and all signs are pointing to us being culled as well.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Fri 01 Feb 2019, 18:17:45

WRT the Thiamine deficiency in the environment that's causing the extinction of wildlife.

Sulfur Dioxide has continued to increase in our atmosphere, which settles and dissolves in water as sulfidic anions—specifically, sulfites and bisulfites. Sulfites cleave thiamine at its methylene bridge, causing its destruction.

Thiamine is one of the most unstable of the B vitamins and naturally degrades rather rapidly at pH at or above 7, in the presence of sulfites.

Recent studies of thiamine degradation at ambient temperatures has shown that increasing temperatures accelerate the degradation.

The wastewaters from many of our industries contain sulfites. Herbicides, pulp and paper, food processing (preservatives), oil recovery, mineral processing, textiles (dyes), and, surprisingly, flue gas scrubbing. All of this runoff reaches the oceans.

One more way we are contributing to our own extinction. Destroying an essential (cannot be synthesized by our body) vitamin in our environment, which, because it is water-soluble, is not retained by the body, and must be constantly replenished through our diet.

Government attempts to remove sulfites from our food have, of course, been ineffective and corrupt, as is usually the case when there is pushback from industry.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Cog » Fri 01 Feb 2019, 18:39:59

The amount of sulfur dioxide in the atmosphere has went down over the last two decades Cid. I'm surprised a man of your intellect didn't know that.

According to OMI, or Ozone Monitoring Instrument on board the NASA's Aura satellite, emissions dropped by more than 80 percent between 2005 and 2016. At least in North America.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/image ... th-america

Or here:

https://www.epa.gov/air-trends/sulfur-d ... ends#sonat

Using a nationwide network of monitoring sites, EPA has developed ambient air quality trends for sulfur dioxide (SO2). Trends starting in 1980, 1990, and 2000 are shown here. Under the Clean Air Act, EPA sets and reviews national air quality standards for SO2. Air quality monitors measure concentrations of SO2 throughout the country. EPA, state, tribal and local agencies use that data to ensure that SO2 in the air is at levels that protect public health and the environment. Nationally, average SO2 concentrations have decreased substantially over the years.

But lets not let facts get in the way of a good doom story.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Fri 01 Feb 2019, 19:59:36

The reduced sulfer dioxides is real and a result of Obama's Clean Power Plan. Trump reversed the CPP with another executive order, and very probably, sulfer dioxides will climb up again in the future.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Boff » Sun 03 Feb 2019, 04:04:07

"When will the mass dieoff begin?"

I would say never, because global warming is hoax, rubbish, sh*t, and you have been fooled.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 03 Feb 2019, 04:10:16

Climate change: The more we know, the worse it seems

by Mark Lynas, author of Six Degrees

(Of course, if you don't know anything, then everything is just fine! :) Ignorance, after all, reputedly being...)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/25/opinions ... index.html

To get a full grasp of climate change, you need to take a geological perspective. Wind the clock back all the way through human history, past the Romans and through the Stone Age, to the time before modern humans evolved, and our ape ancestors roamed in Africa.
Roughly three million years ago, in an epoch called the Pliocene, was the last time carbon dioxide levels were as high in the atmosphere as they are now. In other words, today's CO2 concentrations -- at about 410 parts per million -- are higher than at any time during the existence of Homo sapiens.
Sea levels were as much as 30 meters higher than now, suggesting that even today's carbon dioxide levels will be enough to eventually (albeit over many centuries) melt so much ice from the polar regions that all major coastal cities will be drowned.
But it's the rate of change that is really off the charts, even geologically. Humans are now transferring 10 billion tonnes of carbon from the earth's crust -- in the form of combusted coal, oil and gas -- into the atmosphere each year...

...There is no known geological precedent, for at least the last half-billion years of the history of life on earth, for climate change of the magnitude now projected this century to take place over such a short period of time.

To think that young people alive today will experience all of this within their lifetimes is an extraordinary thought indeed.


Read the whole things, and learn. But be forewarned--the truth may make you free, but it can really bum you out, too! :cry:
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 03 Feb 2019, 11:23:25

When will it begin? Better to ask “where?.”

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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 03 Feb 2019, 22:18:15

The devastation of human life is in view’: what a burning world tells us about climate change

Edited extract from "The Uninhabitable Earth: A Story Of The Future" by David Wallace-Wells, Environment, Guardian, Feb 2, 2019

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... al-warming

our current climate models may be underestimating the amount of warming we are due for in 2100 by as much as half. The authors of one recent paper suggested that slashing our emissions could still bring us to 4 or 5C, a scenario, they said, would pose severe risks to the habitability of the entire planet. “Hothouse Earth”, they called it.
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At 2C, the ice sheets will begin their collapse, bringing, over centuries, 50 metres of sea-level rise. An additional 400 million people will suffer from water scarcity, major cities in the equatorial band of the planet will become unlivable, and even in the northern latitudes heatwaves will kill thousands each summer. There would be 32 times as many extreme heatwaves in India, and each would last five times as long, exposing 93 times more people. This is our best-case scenario.

At 3C, southern Europe would be in permanent drought, and the average drought in Central America would last 19 months longer. In northern Africa, the figure is 60 months longer: five years.

At 4C, there would be 8m more cases of dengue fever each year in Latin America alone and close to annual global food crises. Damages from river flooding would grow thirtyfold in Bangladesh, twentyfold in India, and as much as sixtyfold in the UK.

Globally, damages from climate-driven natural disasters could pass $600tn – more than twice the wealth that exists in the world today. Conflict and warfare could double...

Peatland fires in Indonesia in 1997, for instance, released up to 2.6 gigatons (Gt) of carbon – 40% of the average annual global emissions level. And more burning only means more warming only means more burning. Wildfires make a mockery of the technocratic approach to emissions reduction.

In the Amazon, 100,000 fires were found to be burning in 2017. At present, its trees take in a quarter of all the carbon absorbed by the planet’s forests each year. But in 2018, Jair Bolsonaro was elected president of Brazil, promising to open the rainforest to development – which is to say, deforestation. How much damage can one person do to the planet? A group of Brazilian scientists has estimated that between 2021 and 2030, Bolsonaro’s deforestation would release the equivalent of 13.12 Gt of carbon. In 2017, the US, with all of its aeroplanes and automobiles and coal plants, emitted about 5 Gt...

... If the world’s richest 10% were limited to the average European footprint, global emissions would fall by a third...
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Ibon » Mon 04 Feb 2019, 13:04:35

dohboi wrote:The devastation of human life is in view’: what a burning world tells us about climate change

Edited extract from "The Uninhabitable Earth: A Story Of The Future" by David Wallace-Wells, Environment, Guardian, Feb 2, 2019


As long as it is still in view it ain't happening yet.

Let's get this "correction to human overshoot" ball rolling already! I am tired of reading about acceleration and cascading events just around the corner. I want to see some serious shit happening here and now. All the rest is noise...
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby jedrider » Mon 04 Feb 2019, 14:08:29

It would take a spectacular coincidence of bad choices and bad luck to make a completely uninhabitable Earth possible within our lifetime.


Nah! Just the basic chemistry of Carbon, Oxygen, and Hydrogen and a species too smart for it's own good, but dumb enough to rush headlong into this ecological trap.

If a human is so special and desirable, well, we've already hit the Jackpot with almost 7 billion of us. We should feel lucky.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 04 Feb 2019, 16:50:45

Ibon wrote:
dohboi wrote:The devastation of human life is in view’: what a burning world tells us about climate change

Edited extract from "The Uninhabitable Earth: A Story Of The Future" by David Wallace-Wells, Environment, Guardian, Feb 2, 2019


As long as it is still in view it ain't happening yet.

Let's get this "correction to human overshoot" ball rolling already! I am tired of reading about acceleration and cascading events just around the corner. I want to see some serious shit happening here and now. All the rest is noise...


The “noise” is ther, we just tune it out.

I would think the decline in non human related biomass and aquatic biomass and disruption of the circulatory systems would qualify.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Cog » Mon 04 Feb 2019, 16:52:05

Could we hold off on the serious shit happening until I get my first social security check? Thanks.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 04 Feb 2019, 18:34:58

It’s not the first you need to be concerned with, it’s the last. LOL
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 4

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 04 Feb 2019, 22:29:39

Yeah, on this one, I'm with cog! 8O
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