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Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby asg70 » Tue 03 Dec 2019, 15:41:14


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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Wed 04 Dec 2019, 01:57:38

Three anti trump news sources in a row. Congrats I guess. LOL.

Trump is not only going to get reelected, he is going to do so in a resounding fashion. The cries and terror of the left will be a sweet thing for the next five years.
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby careinke » Wed 04 Dec 2019, 03:07:34

Cog wrote:Three anti trump news sources in a row. Congrats I guess. LOL.

Trump is not only going to get reelected, he is going to do so in a resounding fashion. The cries and terror of the left will be a sweet thing for the next five years.


Well the last "news" source did admit Trump was going to win in 2020. So they at least got one thing right.
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby asg70 » Wed 04 Dec 2019, 09:42:30

Cog wrote:Three anti trump news sources in a row.


The news is what it is, but I get it, the right lives in its own reality bubble, as the GOP report proves.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/politics ... index.html

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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 04 Dec 2019, 12:08:49

asg70 wrote:
Cog wrote:Three anti trump news sources in a row.


The news is what it is, but I get it, the right lives in its own reality bubble, as the GOP report proves.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/politics ... index.html



From the Moderate viewpoint both the Left and Right live in their alternative reality bubbles that have only a passing flavor of the world the way the "great unwashed" moderates see things.

I think we need some government, but not nearly as little as the Right thinks nor nearly as much as the Left thinks we need. I think abusing drugs is a pretty foolish thing to do but I see adults as free beings who should be allowed to be as foolish as they wish right up to the point of suicide so long as they don't drag anyone else down with them as they go. If you want to follow a religion other people find strange or no religion at all I don't much care as it is your free choice, but if you try and force your religious beliefs on others or on myself then that is a moral wrong in and of itself.

On each of these issues the Right and Left hold wildly divergent view but both sides wish to force me into agreement wit their stance, not accept that reasonable people can have differences without being enemies.
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby asg70 » Wed 04 Dec 2019, 12:23:30

Tanada wrote:I think we need some government, but not nearly as little as the Right thinks nor nearly as much as the Left thinks we need.


But that has nothing to do with the impeachment in particular.

The inability to see through tribal loyalty in this case is what's emboldening Trump to become a quasi-dictator.

The true test of civic responsibility and patriotism comes from party loyalists being willing to throw one of their own under the bus for the greater good.

The republicans impeached Clinton for acts that are far more trivial than Trumps, and yet they now claim said acts aren't impeachable offenses. This is not a defensible position.

If you want to look beyond this, remember when blacks erupted in celebration when OJ was let off for murder? That is the problem we're dealing with, the tribalism that makes it impossible to mete out justice. In groups will always be perceived as innocent even when the evidence is stacked against them.

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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Wed 04 Dec 2019, 13:15:21

The republicans impeached Clinton for acts that are far more trivial than Trumps,


Whaaat? He lied under oath. That is a criminal offense. Exactly what law did Trump break?
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby jedrider » Wed 04 Dec 2019, 14:47:32

rockdoc123 wrote:
The republicans impeached Clinton for acts that are far more trivial than Trumps,
Whaaat? He lied under oath. That is a criminal offense. Exactly what law did Trump break?


Trump is in the turkey phase now. Now, it is only a question of how long we want to cook him. It is so surprising that Republicans still don't have a plan B, and they have only been making fools of themselves.

I think the Dems will go slow with this, to get him nice n' tender. I just wish the Dem get their candidate with wide support. I think that even our newspaper delivery boy (or girl) can beat Trump or whoever the Repubs decide to run. All this disunity is disturbing. Now the battle will be between Dem candidates as Trump doesn't even have much of a policy, just decrees as if he is a King. That's just not how Democracies are run. Even China does better than that.
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby jedrider » Wed 04 Dec 2019, 15:24:30

I just made a joke to myself:

Republican's problem is that they have no plan B (and plan A is completely disintegrating).

Democrat's problem is that they have a plan B, C, D, E, etc.
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 04 Dec 2019, 15:53:36

jedrider wrote:I think the Dems will go slow with this


Actually the Ds are rushing to get it done before xmas. This is far far faster then any previous impeachment.

jedrider wrote: I think that even our newspaper delivery boy (or girl) can beat Trump or whoever the Repubs decide to run.


You might be right. But unfortunately the newspaper boy (or girl) isn't running. Instead the Ds have Pocahantas who has wants to take away people's healthcare, elderly Bernie who just had a heart attack, two billionaires, shakey Amy klobachur, Tulsi Yogapants, Petey Buteplug, and maybe a dozen more non-entities.

jedrider wrote: Now the battle will be between Dem candidates as Trump doesn't even have much of a policy, just decrees as if he is a King. That's just not how Democracies are run. Even China does better than that.


Why do all you Ds think China is so great? I just watched Michael Bloomberg---- one of the D billionaire candidates ---- on PBS claiming that China isn't a dictatorship. I mean, thats just looney.....don't the Ds know that the Chinese communists are basically red fascists who have thrown over a million Uighers in concentration camps because of their religion? Doesn't that even register?

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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby jedrider » Wed 04 Dec 2019, 15:57:37

Trump thinks he is a dictator. China is a dictatorship, but one with policy, not with behind the scenes intrigues.
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 04 Dec 2019, 16:03:33

jedrider wrote:Trump thinks he is a dictator.


Oh really?

Then why are all our democratic institutions still functioning in the US?

AND Here's another question for you?

Have you ever been in an actual dictatorship?

They function in quite different ways then the US does.

For instance, if you were in China, which actually is a dictatorship, an internet post like the one you just made would result in serious consequences for you.

I'm sorry, but I have to conclude that you have no idea what a dictatorship actually is and perhaps even a poor grasp of even what the word means if you think Trump is acting as a dictator rather then as our duly elected president.

jedrider wrote: ...with one policy..


Why do you think its so great to have "one policy?"

What if that policy is wrong?

The reason why dictatorships tend to fail and die, like all the one-party socialist states in Europe failed and died, is that having one policy is stupid. No one person or no one group of experts is going to get everything right. Its far better, and more democratic, to have multiple competing policies. That way if something turns out badly its very easy just to shift to something better. Thats also why we have elections...so we can get different presidents with different policies.

I understand you don't agree with Trump's policies. But thats no reason to pretend that there is something wrong with an R president have different policies then a D president. Its not wrong....its exactly why we have elections.

Perhaps next time we'll have a D president. Then he or she will change the policy. I guess then you will asumme the policy is "right' because a D president proposes.

Unfortunately the world doesn't work that way. Both parties are quite capable of going down the wrong road. Thats why its GOOD that here is the US we are always having a debate over policy.

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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby asg70 » Wed 04 Dec 2019, 16:09:06

rockdoc123 wrote:Exactly what law did Trump break?


Read this instead of sticking your head in the sand.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump- ... e-n1095631

"Drawing a foreign government into our election process is an especially serious abuse of power because it undermines democracy itself," she said.
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"the very idea that a president might seek the aid of a foreign government in his re-election campaign would have horrified" America's Founding Fathers.

"the record compiled thus far shows that the president has committed several impeachable offenses, including bribery, abuse of power in soliciting a personal favor from a foreign leader to benefit his political campaign, obstructing Congress and obstructing justice."


That's a far cry from not wanting to fess up to fooling around with a legal assistant. And it's not like Trump hasn't been down that road before (ahem, paying off Stormy Daniels).

Obviously the bar for minimum code of conduct of the office has deteriorated since the 90s--because tribalism.

Plantagenet wrote:Then why are all our democratic institutions still functioning in the US?


I said we're headed towards dictatorship, not that we're there yet, but attitudes like yours (that wants "your side" to be above the law when in office) will hasten this transition. Doomers should know about frogs boiling in pots, right?

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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Wed 04 Dec 2019, 16:38:48

Watching the Democrat party commit suicide on live television via the impeachment hearings is quality entertainment. These ivy league professors think a president can be impeached simply because they don't like his policy decisions, tweets, or the way he combs his hair.
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Wed 04 Dec 2019, 16:40:40

Read this instead of sticking your head in the sand.


and I suggest you remove your head from where it appears to be planted elsewhere on your anatomy.

If Trump had somehow brought a foreign government into the election process (like say the democrats did) that would indeed be illegal. But he didn't. There is no evidence of that other than speculation and 4th party hearsay which in a normal court of law is inadmissible. The only hard evidence is the transcript from the phone call and at that time Biden was not the Democratic choice to run for President and in fact, was not leading in the polls. As well the Ukraine gov't did not investigate the Bidens nor did the US gov't hold back funding because they did not. In essence, no crime committed.

bribery
.....the US President can withhold all sorts of things in exchange for something he wants. As an example tariffs on goods as a means of getting better trade deals falls into that realm as does trade bans put on countries such as Libya and Iran in order to procure some assurance regarding weapons capabilities. The tariff weapon was also used in the renegotiation of NAFTA and nobody seemed to complain. This is not "bribery" but rather the means by which international negotiation between countries is conducted. As well in order for a bribe to have occurred the person offering it must have got what he wanted in return....didn't happen, did it?

abuse of power in soliciting a personal favor from a foreign leader to benefit his political campaign
OK, that's just made up. As I mentioned above how does investigating the Bidens affect Trump's political campaign exactly? Biden is not running against him, he is running against the rest of the Democratic nitwits who want the party nomination and he was not leading at the time. This is really stretching the truth I'm afraid. One could argue that Trump would be smart to make it easy for Biden to win the Democratic nomination....given past occurrence, he would almost be guaranteed of putting his foot in his mouth during the run for President.

obstructing Congress and obstructing Justice?
WTF? If anything Congress has obstructed the Presidents ability to get things done. It is amazing that he has accomplished as much as he had given the lack of any cooperation. And the term "justice" requires an understanding that a crime has been committed....what crime, please?

That's a far cry from not wanting to fess up to fooling around with a legal assistant. And it's not like Trump hasn't been down that road before (ahem, paying off Stormy Daniels).


Apparently you have a very poor understanding of the law. Clinton lied under oath, that is a crime for which he was impeached. Nobody gives a crap about him playing around with young assistants, it was the committing of a crime that was seen as a problem worthy of punishment. And as to the Stormy Daniels thing....proof please? It would seem that everyone claiming they had proof is now in jail somewhere, not very reliable witnesses I'm afraid.

Just get it over with. The Democratic party had planned to attempt to impeach Trump from day one without any evidence, they didn't care, just wanted him gone because apparently he stole the election somehow. All this "evidence" is absolutely ridiculous and anyone with even half a brain can see it is all hearsay and partisan interpretation. Send it to the Senate, they will call Bidens and Schiff as witnesses under oath and gradually pry the lid off of Pandora's box. Not sure why the Democratic Party is hell bent on political suicide.
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby asg70 » Wed 04 Dec 2019, 18:34:17

rockdoc123 wrote:But he didn't...There is no evidence of that other than speculation and 4th party hearsay


There it is, folks. Reality-distortion field.

rockdoc123 wrote:The Democratic party had planned to attempt to impeach Trump from day one


The stock witch-hunt defense. Weak sauce.

You know, it ain't even worth discussing this topic with party cultists like you. Just let the process go through and let the GOP stomp its feet and whine and move on.

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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby jedrider » Wed 04 Dec 2019, 18:38:18

Republicans are getting strident, as on my drive, I just had to tune into the impeachment hearings a little.

Either 1. The facts are not true or 2. The facts do not lead to an impeachable offense, but give me a break, please choose one or the other :-)
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Wed 04 Dec 2019, 18:44:11

Sanguis enim sanguis. Dems shouldn't open a door they don't want to enter.
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Wed 04 Dec 2019, 18:51:18

Dems were asking for the impeachment of Donald Trump before the election, before the Mueller report, after the Mueller report, before the Ukraine phone call and after. Should I list the quotes for you and time stamps since you are too lazy to look them up Dems?
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby jedrider » Wed 04 Dec 2019, 18:52:55

Cog wrote:Sanguis enim sanguis. Dems shouldn't open a door they don't want to enter.


I think it's going swimmingly for them. How would you NOT get that impression, as I must wonder about your non-attachment to reality.
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