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Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby onlooker » Sat 14 Dec 2019, 14:50:12

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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby dissident » Sat 14 Dec 2019, 14:51:11

The_Toecutter wrote:
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Greta Thunberg is a Soros project.


Any evidence? I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to learn that this was true.


Aside from both of her parents being antifa (and thus financed by Soros), start from the fact how she got into the spotlight. Can any of us posting on this board get a public venue at the UN to push our case? G. Thunberg is the last thing from grassroots.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpre ... nnections/

BTW, the doctored photos prove f*ck all. Soros himself likely arranged for these to "discredit" the link. People are fooled so easily.

http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2019/01 ... l-complex/

Whatever the opinions of these sources, there is way too much in the way of peculiar political connections when it comes to G. Thunberg. Politicians have let the climate change problem become critical. G. T. is just another sort of (dirty) politics. She and the hysteria that she is helping to induce will not solve our problems.

Interesting how over the last few years the number of MSM pieces pandering to deniers has dropped off dramatically. We were on our way to a global public consensus and ultimately action. All of the sudden we have G. T. and the clowns around her. Looks like a clear effort to hijack the political process to me.
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Sat 14 Dec 2019, 14:51:59

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You cloistered westerners sound like total retards making such claims. Once politically motivated executions become the norm, then the original motive will be quickly forgotten and the shooting will move on to other target groups who don't serve someone's interests. Be sure that you will not be in the driver's seat during this nightmare. The idea that it will be some one time excision of the "baddies" is simply infantile.


If the end goal is hitting the brakes and ripping the drivers' seat out altogether, and should the keys finally be removed from the ignition and thrown off the cliff, then perhaps the car won't go over the precipice it's been accelerating towards under the existing leadership?

You make a fair point about the propensity for chaos to spiral out of control and beget more chaos. History is replete with examples. But the existing leadership, both public and hidden, is a worldwide cock block to the change so desperately needed in order to mitigate the possibility of even the most paranoid doom porn scenarios and perhaps to at least forestall the collapse of our civilization or prevent our extinction.
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby onlooker » Sat 14 Dec 2019, 14:57:40

Yes, Dissident, the faux climate movement is just a scam to continue BAU under a green acceptable banner.
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby ozcad » Sat 14 Dec 2019, 18:19:18

You cloistered westerners sound like total retards making such claims.

I make no such claim, and recommend against "John Wayne" tactics.

I do agree with your point about the descent into chaos (as seen in the M.E.).
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 14 Dec 2019, 19:31:26


Greta Thunberg is a Soros project....


Actually the photo showing Greta with George Soros is a fake. Soros' head was photoshopped into an actual photo of Greta, replacing Al Gore's head in a picture that Greta herself put out on her twitter account.

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Its hard to imagine why somebody would would want to tie Greta Thunberg to George Soros, but it appears as though some kind of disinformation campaign has been launched against Greta. The phony photo keeps getting disseminated on the internet, along with counterfactual claims of imaginary links between Greta and Soros.

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The claim that Greta Thunberg met George Soros is fake news

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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby sparky » Sun 15 Dec 2019, 04:44:51

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There is some good reasons to believe the whole "climate doom " movement is a distraction
the first rule in politics is to grab the megaphone and never let it go

this distract from very serious issues
like massive immigration ,de-industrialization ,debt blow out , war drums beating louder ...etc
this make the "green" movement the submissive bitches of BAU
in spite of election after election proving that they have no traction whatsoever with the public
only with elitist party leadership devoid of ideas
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 15 Dec 2019, 08:05:47

My take on the issue is such:
Elites know that the party is over, societal collapse related to massive defaults/bankruptcies and collapse of entire branches of industry due to unsustainable business model is just behind the corner, so they are trying to create an illusion of control and claiming to go green.
This is an attempt to prevent questions from mob "who screwed it up" followed by summary executions/lynchings of bankers, business leaders, politicians etc.
This greenwashing is to be used productively by those of us who still have some resources at their disposal.
So it is *NOW* time to invest in decent PV (as I have done this year), buy reliable EV, install heat pump etc.
As long as warfare or civil war does not result in destruction of investment we have still chance to die peacefully in relative comfort.
Do not postpone these investments into the future - due to observed decay of manufacturing sector there is a good chance that mentioned items will go forbiddingly expensive, affordable for aristocracy only and common folk will need to pay $5 for every kWhr of electricity "just to save a planet", or so they will say.
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 15 Dec 2019, 08:22:50

EU,

You may find this article on investors green washing interesting.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-glob ... SKBN1YJ097
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 15 Dec 2019, 10:55:29

Newfie wrote:EU,

You may find this article on investors green washing interesting.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-glob ... SKBN1YJ097

Yes, investing these days is just smoke and mirrors.
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 15 Dec 2019, 12:09:06

The COP25 meeting in Madrid ended in dismal failure, just as Greta said it would.

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No consensus was reached on things like carbon taxes or other ways to reduce CO2 emissions. Rich nations balked at giving poor nations huge sums of money to help them deal with climate change. AND while the US is on track to continue to reduce its CO2 emissions, in spite of Trumps climate denialism, CO2 emissions continue to go in the rest of the world.

The meeting was extended to try to resolve things, but at the end they only agreed to meet again and to ask countries to set new, even lower CO2 emission targets. Of course, virtually all the countries are already failing to meet their voluntary targets, so setting newer and lower voluntary targets is silly.

One of the biggest problems is the side agreements Obama made with China and India agreeing that both countries could increase their CO2 emissions as much as they want. Since China is the world's largest CO2 emitter by far, and CO2 emissions in India are also increasing rapidly, placing no restrictions on their CO2 emissions pretty much guarantees that global CO2 emissions will continue to rise for the foreseeable future. I quote from the link above:

China and India, the world's No. 1 and No. 4 carbon emitters, meanwhile, have made it clear they see no need to improve on their current emissions reduction plans, which run to 2030.

The MSM continues to lie about all aspects of the global climate crisis, including the Madrid meeting. For instance, China and India never agreed to "reduce" their CO2 emissions. They pledged to INCREASE CO2 emissions until the year 2030, at which time they said they would re-evaluate their commitments, reserving the right to continue to INCREASE their CO2 emissions if they choose to do so.

Climate Change activists dumped a load of manure at the meeting venue in Madrid, which pretty summarizes the failure of COP25.

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AND Greta said, after the meeting ended, that she is going to take a break from climate activism for a while. Thanks for all you did, Greta, and good luck to you.

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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Sun 15 Dec 2019, 13:54:32

And the kid worship continues :roll:

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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 15 Dec 2019, 13:54:51

Yes, thank you.
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby aspera » Sun 15 Dec 2019, 17:44:18

Ugo Bardi on Greta.
https://cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/20 ... stern.html

Excerpt: ... Of course, I understand that this girl is not a "grassroots" phenomenon as some might want to believe. She is supported by a top-class team of media experts, she couldn't possibly fight the Western Media Behemot alone. And I understand that her message may be misunderstood, mongrelized, and exploited for yet another round of greenwashing. I know that.

But that's not the point. It is how the appearance of Ms. Thunberg has been both amazing and unexpected. If she is a product of propaganda, then it an unusual kind of propaganda. It would be the first time in many decades that our media are presenting to us a message that's not based on the idea of something or someone evil to be destroyed. This girl crashed through all the media barriers with just a simple message: the truth about climate change. She wasn't telling us to kill or hate anyone, she was just telling us to work together to ensure that her generation could have a future. And she carried the message with an inner force, a way of posing herself, a capability of saying things straight that was nearly unbelievable. It is amazing how she attracted upon herself all kinds of insults, abuse, and curses, but nothing really stuck on her. ...
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 15 Dec 2019, 17:59:11

This is a bit off Greta but relevant to the discussion about climate change and why we find it so hard to reach consensus. The speaker is Danny Kahneman, a psychologist who won a Nobel for work on economics. On how the older prevailing models of how humans work was wrong and needed to be seriously modified. He is an expert is how we make decisions.

Q: Hi. I’m Jack Rosenthal, retired from The New York Times.

I wonder if you’d be willing to talk a bit about the undoing idea and whether it’s relevant in the extreme to things like climate denial.

KAHNEMAN: Well, I mean, the undoing idea, the Undoing Project, was something that I—well, it’s the name of a book that Michael Lewis wrote about Amos Tversky and me. But it originally was a project that I engaged in primarily. I’m trying to think about how do people construct alternatives to reality.

And my particular—my interest in this was prompted by tragedy in my family. A nephew in the Israeli air force was killed. And I was very struck by the fact that people kept saying “if only.” And that—and that “if only” has rules to it. We don’t just complete “if only” in any—every which way. There are certain things that you use. So I was interested in counterfactuals. And this is the Undoing Project.

Climate denial, I think, is not necessarily related to the Undoing Project. It’s very powerful, clearly. You know, the anchors of the psychology of climate denial is elementary. It’s very basic. And it’s going to be extremely difficult to overcome.

MURRAY: When you say it’s elementary, can you elaborate a little bit?

KAHNEMAN: Well, the—whether people believe or do not believe is one issue. And people believe in climate and climate change or don’t believe in climate change not because of the scientific evidence. And we really ought to get rid of the idea that scientific evidence has much to do with people’s beliefs. I mean, there is—

MURRAY: Is that a general comment, or in the case of climate?

KAHNEMAN: Yeah, it’s a general comment.

MURRAY: (Laughs.)

KAHNEMAN: I think it’s a general comment. I mean, there is—the correlation between attitude to gay marriage and belief in climate change is just too high to be explained by, you know—

MURRAY: Science.

KAHNEMAN: —by science. So clearly—and clearly what is people’s beliefs about climate change and about other things are primarily determined by socialization. They’re determined—we believe in things that people that we trust and love believe in. And that, by the way, is certainly true of my belief in climate change. I believe in climate change because I believe that, you know, if the National Academy says there’s climate change, but—

MURRAY: They’re your people.

KAHNEMAN: They’re my people.

MURRAY: (Laughs.)

KAHNEMAN: But other people—you know, they’re not everybody’s people. And so this, I think—that’s a very basic part of it. Where do beliefs come from? And the other part of it is that climate change is really the kind of threat for which—that we as humans have not evolved to cope with. It’s too distant. It’s too remote. It just is not the kind of urgent mobilizing thing. If there were a meteor, you know, coming to earth, even in 50 years, it would be completely differently. And that would be—people, you know, could imagine that. It would be concrete. It would be specific. You could mobilize humanity against the meteor. Climate change is different. And it’s much, much harder, I think.


https://www.cfr.org/event/conversation-daniel-kahneman
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby Azothius » Sun 15 Dec 2019, 22:30:39

@RockDoc:

Considering your posting of one of the most inane political cartoon ever shared, respect falls faster than the thermometer.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/polar-vort ... -to-blame/
When warm air invades the Arctic Circle, it weakens the polar vortex, displacing cold air masses southward into Europe, Asia and the United States. You might think of it as a once tight-knit circulation unraveling, slinging pieces of cold air outward.


I would venture to guess that there are many 16 year olds who understand this perfectly well.
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby aspera » Sun 15 Dec 2019, 23:46:37

Cog wrote:Since Greta has now said she wants to put politicians against the wall, aka execute them, if they don't deal with climate change, she fits in perfectly now with the bulk of the radical left.

"You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means." -Inigo Montoya

Greta explains:
After some initial concern over her use of the phrase - which usually means to execute people by firing squad, against a wall - she tweeted a clarification.

"Yesterday I said we must hold our leaders accountable and unfortunately said 'put them against the wall'," she wrote.

"That's Swenglish: 'att ställa någon mot väggen' (to put someone against the wall) means to hold someone accountable."

She continued: "Of course I apologise if anyone misunderstood this. I cannot enough express the fact that I - as well as the entire school strike movement - are against any possible form of violence. It goes without saying but I say it anyway."

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50799233
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Johan Cejie (@johancejie)
It is a translation problem. The Swedish expession ’att ställa någon mot väggen’ literally translates to ‘put someone against the wall’, but it has no connotations of violence. It is an uncontroversial figure of speech that means to call someone out.
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Source: https://twitter.com/johancejie/status/1 ... 5416840192
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Mon 16 Dec 2019, 00:12:10

Considering your posting of one of the most inane political cartoon ever shared, respect falls faster than the thermometer


considering the fact that you seem to take cartoons as serious and were apparently birthed absent the "irony" gene I think you are the one who should be worried about "respect". Sorry, what else did you bring to the table? Anything useful?
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Mon 16 Dec 2019, 02:51:01

LOL Greta apologizing, not because we didn't understand what she meant, but because we understood perfectly what she meant. Her and her Antifa parents dream about the day of putting people against walls and executing them.
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby clif » Mon 16 Dec 2019, 07:41:29

Typical "cog" posting from hisanus with no actual facts to back his delusional rants up.
How cathartic it is to give voice to your fury, to wallow in self-righteousness, in helplessness, in self-serving self-pity.
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