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Are We Running the Mouse Utopia Experiment?

Re: Are We Running the Mouse Utopia Experiment?

Unread postby derhundistlos » Thu 15 Aug 2019, 17:03:43

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Let's get something straight. I did not broach the topic. Your friend, Cog, did. I refuse to allow gross distortions of the facts to stand unchallenged so I replied to his post. I find it odd that you said nothing previously. Only when I posted a reply did you become upset.
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Re: Are We Running the Mouse Utopia Experiment?

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 18 Aug 2019, 07:34:28

derhundistlos wrote:"You really don't know from where drugs are purchased?
From your friendly local dealer.
Every kid knows which one it is. Just ask. :)"

No, "really I don't know". So for kicks, I took your "advice" and asked several teenagers here in Illinois where do I find the prescription pain medication local pusher. They just laughed and asked me if I was for real. Then they answered by telling me that, much to your disappointment, there are no prescription pain medication dealers prowling the streets.

Why these are to be "prescription" variete?
Those sold as powders and solutions as ready to use syringes have the same or comparble active ingredients.
As pain killers they are working as good (or even better) than prescription opioids.
Heroin is surely more effective pain killer than oxycodone is, if used within permissilble (mean safe) dose range.
All what you need is a decent dealer offering quality stuff. Or to be more reassured you may try to make a purchase from one nod up chain. Can be much cheaper too.

You and your kind have been fighting a failed war on drugs for the past 50 years and what do you have to show except for hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer funds down the toilet and a prison system overflowing with non-violent drug offenders, often times serving longer sentences than violent offenders.

Yeah, let's keep doing the same in your failed approach to drugs. That makes sense.

I do not fight any war on drugs.
I just express rather sad facts that opioids are available to anyone of any age and without any doctor help.
I do not like what I see, eg youngsters falling like flies on streets across America but this is where we are.
If there is a prescription crack down then the same peoples who are supplying these youngsters will also supply cancer patients.
My viev is that market forces are actually *winning* with regulatory efforts, mostly to detriment of society.
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Re: Are We Running the Mouse Utopia Experiment?

Unread postby Cog » Sun 18 Aug 2019, 07:41:26

From my experience, oncologists are pretty liberal with dispensing opiods of all kinds especially if the patient has a terminal diagnosis. I understand why the FDA has cracked down on them being prescribed for chronic pain if the medical condition is vague.
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Re: Are We Running the Mouse Utopia Experiment?

Unread postby derhundistlos » Mon 19 Aug 2019, 14:17:01

"I just express rather sad facts that opioids are available to anyone of any age and without any doctor help. I do not like what I see, eg youngsters falling like flies on streets across America."

Let's tackle the most rediculous part first:

Do you know the leading cause of death in the US for youngsters aged 15-20? It's vehicle fatalities and in 2017 (latest year for which stats are available) a total of 2,526 teens were killed in car crashes. Yet, no weeping and gnashing of teeth by you over the leading cause of death among youngsters. What an outrage!!!! Since we know "opioids" are NOT the leading cause of death, that means fewer than 2,526 teens died. The total US population of persons aged 15 to 20 is 20,220,000. For the sake of argument, say 2,525 youngsters died from opioids (one less than auto deaths in order to give you the greatest benefit of the doubt). Do you realize this results in a mortality rate of 0.012%- oh my, oh my!!! 0.012% hardly classifies as "youngsters dropping like flies"? Patently dumb.

As to point #1, I am happy to place a wager of $1,000 or $2k or $3k or more that you have no idea what you are talking about. If you are willing to place an equal wager of $1,000+, you will travel to my community and you will have (how many days of searching do you need?) a certain number of days to purchase prescription pain medication from a dealer. The loser pays your travel expenses.
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Re: Are We Running the Mouse Utopia Experiment?

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Tue 20 Aug 2019, 00:21:13

@derhundistlos,
One way or another opioid overdose *is* a leading cause of death across US with ~70 000 of *proven* fatalities per year in 2017. It means that ~2% (!!!!) of total death toll across US is overdose related.
Means 1 recorded death per 50 US wide is related to drug overdose.
Victims are usually below 40, commonly below 30.

Second part is that you *do not* understand my post.
Cancer patient deprived of prescription pain killers may settle (to the same effect) with illegal afghan heroin or chinese/mexican fentanyl delivered to his doorstep by a local street dealer.
Successors of El Chapo will make sure that this is *always* the case.
This product will not be manufactured by Pfizer or someone alike but nevertheless it will work as good or even better than "official" stuff.
Heroin is more potent than oxycodone when administered within permissible (safe) dose ranges.
Are you claiming that there are no drug dealers in your local area?
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Re: Are We Running the Mouse Utopia Experiment?

Unread postby derhundistlos » Thu 22 Aug 2019, 11:59:50

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I shall once and for al PROVE you are full of crap that "youngsters are dropping like flies due to opioids". You're a typical Trumper who despite EVIDENCE to the contrary continues to embrace lies and distortions because you can't admit you are wrong- dead wrong in your case.

There are easily verifiable statistics regarding the leading causes of death among 15-24 youth in the US that demonstrates your claim that "youngsters are dropping like flies due to opioids" is pure nonsense.

The FACTS as of 08.19.2019: https://www.verywellhealth.com/top-caus ... 24-2223960

1. ACCIDENTS: Accidents account for 41 percent of deaths among people in the 15 to 24 age group.

2. SUICIDE: Suicide accounts for 18 percent of deaths.

3. HOMICIDE: Sixteen percent of deaths among people age 15 to 24 are due to homicide.

4. DRUGS & ALCOHOL: Fifteen percent of the deaths of in this age group were induced by drugs or alcohol.

5. CANCER: Cancer deaths account for 5 percent of deaths among the 15 to 24 age group.
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