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Is EROEI Important Pt. 5

Unread postby Yoshua » Sat 09 Mar 2019, 14:04:25

Cog wrote:
onlooker wrote:Short when do you think the Plunge will initiate? weeks, months etc
Just curious


Whatever prediction Shorty makes will be wrong so who cares.


Well then ...let's ask marmico... although he can't count and doesn't understand what the numbers are saying.
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Re: Is EROEI Important Pt. 4

Unread postby marmico » Sat 09 Mar 2019, 18:31:01

Clap, clap. Read some academic Charles "EROI" Hall instead of the ETP Bozo clap trap.

https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii ... %2930083-1

Critique Number 1 is pretty convoluted. Energy has gotten cheaper over time. Academic zoologists don't understand energy intensity on the quantity demanded. I recall viewing a podcast where a Goldman energy economist schooled the academic Hamilton on the frackers. Hamilton hasn't written anything substantive about the oil market at his blog in nearly 5 years.
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Re: Is EROEI Important Pt. 4

Unread postby shortonoil » Sat 09 Mar 2019, 19:39:22

Cog wrote:
onlooker wrote:Short when do you think the Plunge will initiate? weeks, months etc
Just curious


Whatever prediction Shorty makes will be wrong so who cares.


Well then ...let's ask marmico... although he can't count and doesn't understand what the numbers are saying.


marmy & cog have an unbiased, expert opinion on about everything from Hoser proclivities to wart treatment. They are virtual walking, talking Encyclopedia Britannica on any subject one can imagine. Although, undulation may be a better description than walking They manage to accomplish incredible feats while never processing one single number. The Force is strong with these two!
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Re: Is EROEI Important Pt. 4

Unread postby asg70 » Sat 09 Mar 2019, 20:29:22

shortonoil wrote:marmy & cog have an unbiased, expert opinion on about everything from Hoser proclivities to wart treatment.


Shouldn't you pay off your failed bet before mocking someone else's expertise?
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Re: Is EROEI Important Pt. 4

Unread postby shortonoil » Sat 09 Mar 2019, 20:38:01

Does any one know the number of lbs of cannabis oil produced per acre? Henry Ford ran his prototype Model T Ford on cannabis oil.
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Re: Is EROEI Important Pt. 4

Unread postby asg70 » Sun 10 Mar 2019, 01:31:03

shortonoil wrote:Does any one know the number of lbs of cannabis oil produced per acre? Henry Ford ran his prototype Model T Ford on cannabis oil.


You've been hanging around PStarr behind the THC-riddled redwood curtain too long.
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Re: Is EROEI Important Pt. 4

Unread postby careinke » Sun 10 Mar 2019, 03:07:44

shortonoil wrote:Does any one know the number of lbs of cannabis oil produced per acre? Henry Ford ran his prototype Model T Ford on cannabis oil.


8,000 pounds of hemp seed per acre. When cold-pressed, the 8,000 pounds of hemp seed yield over 300 gallons of hemp seed oil and a byproduct of 6,000 pounds of high protein hemp flour. Seed oils are both a food and a biodiesel fuel.
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Re: Is EROEI Important Pt. 4

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 10 Mar 2019, 04:07:55

shortonoil wrote:Does any one know the number of lbs of cannabis oil produced per acre? Henry Ford ran his prototype Model T Ford on cannabis oil.

Complete BS of course as is everything else from shortie.
While the engines Ford improved on to make his first cars were run on kerosene even his first complete automobile the" Quadricycle" (1896) ran on gas. By the time he introduced the Model T in 1908 the demand for gas was exceeding the refiners ability to produce it with the simple distillation methods of the day. This led to the invention of the pressure cracking process in 1913.
Some early Diesel engines were run on peanut oil so could possibly run on other vegetable oils including cannabis but why would you want to?
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Re: Is EROEI Important Pt. 4

Unread postby shortonoil » Sun 10 Mar 2019, 09:56:47

8,000 pounds of hemp seed per acre. When cold-pressed, the 8,000 pounds of hemp seed yield over 300 gallons of hemp seed oil and a byproduct of 6,000 pounds of high protein hemp flour. Seed oils are both a food and a biodiesel fuel.


Thanks: That is a potential energy production of 36 million BTU per acre, or about 6 barrels of oil. It is still too early to tell definitely, but it looks promising.

Why would they want too? At 300 gallons per acre it might be cheaper than oil. State Representative Fred Maslack did a study in conjunction with the University of Vermont in 1983 on legalizing cannabis in the State. He was looking for ways to help save the State's small farmers who were rapidly failing. Their conclusion was that growing cannabis could produce fiber, oil, and animal feed, that could considerably add to the income of the State's small farmers. If cannabis can produce 36 million BTU per acre they were probably correct. He introduced a bill to legalize its production in the State, and it was widely supported. It was shot down by a multi million dollar counter campaign run, and paid for by the DEA!

With the end of the globalized petroleum production system near at hand, regional production will have to fill the gap. Bio fuels will be a part of that effort. 300 gallons per acre looks very promising. Cory Booker is now introducing a bill in Congress that would legalize cannabis, and which would also allow US farmers to grow it. As a bio fuel cannabis is likely to be far superior to corn, which is used for the production of ethanol; which has an EROI of about (nothing).

It is time to start preparing for the end of our contemporary fuels production systems. Our ridiculous superstitions, and ignorant and unsupported biases will have to be put out to pasture. The oil age is ending rapidly, and the world is long over due at providing substitutes. We will see the collapse of the present integrated Globalized fuels production system by the end of the next decade; the present economic system will likely fail much sooner. The massive multi nationals that have so dominated modern society are going the way of the Dodo Bird.
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Re: Is EROEI Important Pt. 4

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 10 Mar 2019, 10:40:41

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Re: Is EROEI Important Pt. 4

Unread postby shortonoil » Sun 10 Mar 2019, 11:49:30

PO is here. Oil crunch by 2023


Well, you don't have to convince me; we have been saying that for the last several months. REPEATEDLY. 2023 sounds about right when you consider how long it will take for existing fields to go into their last steep decline. This will soak into the deluded brain of Wall Street, and all hell will break loose. Anyone interested in a 10 or 30 year long bond? Didn't think so!

Back to cannabis production for at least a partial substitute for petroleum. In its usual worthless fashion the internet has nothing of value. The data that I really need is not there. But I did pick up a few data points, such as density of cannabis oil. On a square mile basis it looks like the US could replace about a third of its rock oil use with cannabis oil. No wonder the oil industry has gone crazy trying to keep this stuff illegal. I hope someone sues the crap out of these SOBs.
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Re: Is EROEI Important Pt. 4

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Sun 10 Mar 2019, 12:06:45

No wonder the oil industry has gone crazy trying to keep this stuff illegal. I hope someone sues the crap out of these SOBs
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Yeah right, sure that happened. :roll:

Oil production is a very important part of the Canadian economy and guess what ...pot is legal.
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Re: Is EROEI Important Pt. 4

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 10 Mar 2019, 12:10:05

At 147 bushels per acre and 2.8 gallons of ethanol per bushel of corn, corn wins on the biofuel front. But even if we turned every bushel of corn (2017 14.6 billion bu.) into fuel it would only replace 2.7 million barrels of gas per day of the 10 mbpd presently supplied.
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Re: Is EROEI Important Pt. 4

Unread postby Yoshua » Sun 10 Mar 2019, 13:49:23

The blackout in Venezuela continues for a 4th day. The infrastructure in Venezuela is decaying after years of neglect as the nation goes down the net energy cliff and the other side of peak oil.

At some point the lights will go out and never return again.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vene ... SKBN1QR0M8
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Re: Is EROEI Important Pt. 4

Unread postby Observerbrb » Sun 10 Mar 2019, 15:17:56

Venezuela is collapsing in front of our eyes. Reports that there are 300 dead only in one hospital, widespread unrest, shootings and looting is being reported in the western areas of the country that have been suffering a 72-hour blackout.

US intervention could be confirmed next week, as the country plunges into a mad-max scenario.
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Re: Is EROEI Important Pt. 4

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 10 Mar 2019, 17:05:20

pstarr wrote:
Yoshua wrote:The blackout in Venezuela continues for a 4th day. The infrastructure in Venezuela is decaying after years of neglect as the nation goes down the net energy cliff and the other side of peak oil.

At some point the lights will go out and never return again.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vene ... SKBN1QR0M8

I blame the globalists and the US sanctions/embargo. We withheld desperately required oil production and infrastructure tech. We ruined Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen. Next in line: Venezuela


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Re: Is EROEI Important Pt. 4

Unread postby shortonoil » Sun 10 Mar 2019, 18:38:01

We withheld desperately required oil production and infrastructure tech.


Maybe they just ran out of money to pay for US LTO. The last thing that I read Plains All America is not a charitable organization. Venezuela spent a lot more money than it had, and every one stopped lending it money. China and Russian are figuring out that they are not going to get all their money back. When the ten member Western Hemisphere negotiations are completed they will do "something" with Venezuela. The US has already figured out how it will get the oil!
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Re: Is EROEI Important Pt. 4

Unread postby asg70 » Sun 10 Mar 2019, 18:38:59

onlooker wrote:http://energyskeptic.com/2019/iea-2018-world-energy-outlook-peak-oil-is-here-oil-crunch-by-2023/?fbclid=IwAR2e_xg6L1Y1yKgZZmkIaBXvDa17U-lVeG2Y58ltcEf--v6Imh5Bm_jAMME
PO is here. Oil crunch by 2023


Well gee, if the author of a book on crackers says so, it must be true.

pstarr wrote:I blame the globalists and the US sanctions/embargo.


You would. Too bad you're wrong.
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Re: Is EROEI Important Pt. 4

Unread postby shortonoil » Sun 10 Mar 2019, 19:26:08

So as my dittling continues; cannabis oil can generate 3 to 4 times as much revenue per acre for the American farmer as wheat. It also has an EROEI of more than twice the average barrel being used today. It doesn't require much energy to refine it:

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Re: Is EROEI Important Pt. 5

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 10 Mar 2019, 20:05:23

shortonoil wrote:So as my dittling continues; cannabis oil can generate 3 to 4 times as much revenue per acre for the American farmer as wheat. It also has an EROEI of more than twice the average barrel being used today. It doesn't require much energy to refine it:

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There is no point in asking you for the real figures or where you found them. At the rate you spew out lies you are a contender for the next Trump white house press secretary.
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