[AdamB]

Haven't read all of this stuff here. Yes, Guy is sensitive to which way the wind is REALLY blowing.

You mean how difficult it is for an old fart to get a little action, and trying a little to hard to get some?

He'd better watch out or the #MeToo gang will come after him with pitchforks and make what the Greens are doing to him look like a picnic.

[Whitefang]

http://www.911dude.com/suspects.html

"Distinguished national and international scientists and scholars present massive evidence that the 9/11 Commission Report is a hoax and that the 9/11 "terrorist attack" has been manipulated to serve a hegemonic agenda in the Middle East.
We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to "pancake" at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false.

So all these national and international scientists and scholars are nuts?

Is that your only defence of your opinion that the official narrative is true?

These suspects should all be picked up, kept in prison, then after a trial like Nürnberg, with evidence, not torture, convicted of treason, massmurder, acts against humanity, genocide......you name it.
Would that lead to civil war? Probably, but in the face of abrupt CC, what do people have to loose?
Perfectly legal to me to go for tyrannicide if your own management does kamikaze idiocy on your doorstep, prime economic Wall Street.

Cold civil war ongoing......

https://qmap.pub/

Wonderfull overvieuw, tonnes of intel on the latest developments and strategy to drain the swamp.
Check mate now, another few moves to drive the knife deep into the heart and twist, neo cons deep state will understand that the game is over, patriots already installing the new temporary government.
NWO/Bilderberg/PNAC/CFR/Clinton Foundation/Dirty Joe Biden.......offices will be raided looking out for treason, child satanic porn....fraud/theft/conduct, the whole security machine will finally take aim at the true homegrown terrorists.
The OT's original terrorists
They will likely help level Royalty abroad, EU criminals and countries worldwide to get rid of lucifarians.

We lowlanders got the MH17 false flag tied to Kiev rebel control by Soros/Clinton civil war, blame the naughty pesky Russians hoax, same Surkov intel…….our management is exactly alike, same satan child idiocy, same msm, same data, same system.

Finally real opposition against the mob

No bail out for Jeffrey E, they want him alive long enough to detonate the MOAB at the right time to cause maximum damage, if he cooperates we could start wiping out all satanists, banksters and corrupt CEO's, it is a worldwide web after all, linked together, we could use the stored immense data/CCT etc on them instead the Party People using it on the population.
I bet the Party would love to give a Trillion for his head on a plate.
There were a dead guy roasted like a Turkey for thanksgiving on a huge plate, ready to be fed, chopped up for children sitting at a large family table His head on a separate plate

Patriots have these pics and are able to verify truth from photoshop or deep fake video's.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ

Trump on the future, from 2016.

[dohboi]

Well, there's a rant for you.

I'm wondering why it's in an Environmental part of the forum on a Guy McPherson thread. I see no mention of either in the main text (and one throw away reference to CC in the quoted text).

[dohboi]

As I understand it, the linchpin for Guy's whole schtick is that an (inevitable, at some point) economic crash on a global scale will reduce aerosol pollution so much that the missing cooling effects of said aerosols will quickly increase global temps by ~2 C, which in turn will said off various cascading exacerbating feedback loops...

I am not quite as critical as some about Guy's vision, but I have always pointed out that he tends to take the worst possible scenarios ever mentioned anywhere in the scientific literature and trots them out as certainties.

One should not put too much weight on any one study, positive or negative, but with that said, here's one study that seems to run counter to the gloomiest predictions of how fast reducing aerosol pollution may bring about sudden catastrophic warming: https://phys.org/news/2019-08-pollution ... spike.html

Cutting pollution won't cause global warming spike, study finds

[Sys1]

"In any case, a small temperature rise resulting from cutting pollution is a price very much worth paying to prevent greater, long-term harm caused by greenhouse gases."

They actually say the opposite, but the idea is that it's better to have a little more fast than much much more later.
A bit like when you notice your brakes are broken in a long slope. Better to crash on the first tree than waiting for the next cliff's sharp turn 500 meters away.
Note that the problem is that it's just impossible to stop polluting simply because industrial civilisation needs to pollute in order to operate. No pollution, no civilisation. There won't be anything close to emissions reduction in a controlled way, global debt is our master. Capitalism is a monster which force every one of us to produce more and more to serve debt.

[asg70]

"Better to crash on the first tree than waiting for the next cliff's sharp turn 500 meters away."

We're firmly in Al Bartlett's left vs. right hand list territory.

There is no policy that could have a significant positive impact on our trajectory that would not be treated as equal to or worse than just doing nothing and letting nature take its course.

And I'm talking about significant impact here. Milder bright-green ecotopia policies are good, don't get me wrong, which is one of a myriad of reasons why I am not a Trump fan, but instituting them at this stage in the game is too little too late. You really have to get next-level to get ahead of limits to growth, like reproductive limits, encouraging euthanasia, closed borders (for the right reasons), etc... It's not gonna happen. Instead what you get are ecoterrorists who will accomplish nothing positive.

BTW, the degree to which radical environmentalism has overlapped into militant SJWs is disturbing to me. Obviously a bunch of blue-haired feminists heard too many Derrick Jensen lectures at Berkeley and have crossed their streams. So one day they'll be throwing acid into the laps of manspreaders and the next day they will be blowing up train tracks. It seems like the left is breeding more extremism than the right these days. It's reaching Symbionese liberation army level. And extremism on one side just breeds extremism on the other as a counter-reaction.

[jedrider]

"Better to crash on the first tree than waiting for the next cliff's sharp turn 500 meters away."

Better to slow down than press harder on the accelerator IMO. Better to remedy current situation than fan the flames of war and ecocide IMO.

Hey, but what do I know? Carry on, mad civilization.

[clif]

It seems like the left is breeding more extremism than the right these days.

What a load of crap.

Talk to me when these left wing eco-extremists murder in cold blood 32 people while wounding over 50, in random acts of violence ...... in less than a weeks time.

(PS: the count would be higher, but a right wing hate filled a-hole was stopped before he shot up a Walmart store in Gibsonton, Florida on Aug 4)

[careinke]

It seems like the left is breeding more extremism than the right these days.

What a load of crap.

Talk to me when these left wing eco-extremists murder in cold blood 32 people while wounding over 50, in random acts of violence ...... in less than a weeks time.

(PS: the count would be higher, but a right wing hate filled a-hole was stopped before he shot up a Walmart store in Gibsonton, Florida on Aug 4)

What a load of crap.

How many people were shot in Chicago last weekend??? A city run by corrupt Democratic thieves for how long? Pretty sure Trump had nothing to do with those.

So lets talk, and throw out race baiting and identity politics.

The left is the perfect example of becoming what you hate. Grow up.

[clif]

Interesting you deflect from white supremacy violence with inner city gang violence, both based on the decades long refusal of the NRA and their GOP sycophants to do anything about the insane access of guns to far too many people with violent intent.

and as for the misstatement of the 2nd amendment most gun nut screech about,

please explain what a WELL REGULATED MILITIA is

cause that is as central to the 2nd as access to guns......

IE .... A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[Cog]

Regulated, in the understanding of the day, was well trained and equipped. The militia is all the people and the Heller decision firmly established that the Second Amendment is an individual right of the people to bear arms, not a collective right.

Next.

Oh by the way, the Dayton shooter was affiliated with the Democratic Socialists of America as well as a socialist gun group.

[asg70]

The shooter situation is bad but the left HAS radicalized. It doesn't have to escalate to the point of loss of life to be of concern. The main targets of the left are freedom of speech, traditional gender roles, and due process. In other words, the left has created a McCarthy-like cultural climate in which you have to conform or see yourself deplatformed and your life ruined.

[clif]

Heller decision firmly established that the Second Amendment is an individual right of the people to bear arms, not a collective right.

United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939) said that you cannot own any arms; and heller has quite strict limitations that even Scalia acknowledged.....

The Supreme Court stated, however, that the Second Amendment should not be understood as conferring a “right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.” The Court identified examples of “presumptively lawful” firearm laws, including laws prohibiting firearm possession by felons and the mentally ill, forbidding firearm possession in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, and imposing conditions on the commercial sale of firearms. The Court noted that this list is not exhaustive, and concluded that the Second Amendment is also consistent with laws banning “dangerous and unusual weapons” not in common use at the time, such as M-16 rifles and other firearms that are most useful in military service. In addition, the Court declared that its analysis should not be read to suggest “the invalidity of laws regulating the storage of firearms to prevent accidents.”

Thus gun regulations are legal, and a few common sense laws would stop many of the mass causalities attacks we currently face.


PS the Dayton shooter isn't president, so the standards of his social media posting shouldn't be held up to the same standard as the supposed leader of ALL people in the USA

[dohboi]

Well, we seem to be getting pretty wildly off topic here, so I'll just jump right in and further muddy the waters, I guess.

We all now have to recognize that the resident of the WH is a terrorist, the only possible term for someone who has enormous power over many trigger happy, racist people, and who uses that power to incite violence by using trigger words like 'invasion' to refer to migrations.

He does not, of course, know which of his maniacal followers will act on his violence-inciting-tweets, nor when, nor exactly on whom. But there is no question now that people have and will do so.

(The technical term for his specific kind of terrorism is "Stochastic Terrorism," since his words statistically increase the likelihood of terrorism, even if the specific event can't be predicted by it.)

[dohboi]

Now can we return to talking about whether the recent studies, which show a much diminished effect of aerosol dimming, might negate or greatly diminish one of the central linchpins in Guy's proposed scenario for short-term certain human extinction?

[Cog]

Well, we seem to be getting pretty wildly off topic here, so I'll just jump right in and further muddy the waters, I guess.

We all now have to recognize that the resident of the WH is a terrorist, the only possible term for someone who has enormous power over many trigger happy, racist people, and who uses that power to incite violence by using trigger words like 'invasion' to refer to migrations.

He does not, of course, know which of his maniacal followers will act on his violence-inciting-tweets, nor when, nor exactly on whom. But there is no question now that people have and will do so.

(The technical term for his specific kind of terrorism is "Stochastic Terrorism," since his words statistically increase the likelihood of terrorism, even if the specific event can't be predicted by it.)

You got a mouse in your pocket? Because "We" don't recognize anything like this. Please list the specific policies or laws that Trump has signed that are racist. While you are at it, list any statements he has made that are racist. Unless of course you ascribe to the leftist theory,(which all of you do) that one can never criticize a person of color opinion's or point of view. There is that identity politics and victimhood at play again that you leftists love playing.

The fact that Trump gets a lot of flak from the left, tells me is right over his target and I laugh when the left gets a case of the vapors. As they do daily. Now for six more years of the same thing. I can't wait to vote for Trump again. Maybe two or three times. LOL

[dohboi]

Wow, even cog's off topic comments are off topic from the off topic topic!

No one was talking about policies, and by himself the pres can't make any laws.

But if you want a brief overview of T's history of racist and bigoted behavior and language: https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/ ... sm-history

Now again, does anyone have anything to say about whether new data on behavior of aerosols significantly diminishes or negates the immediacy of the dire threats Guy likes to talk about??

[clif]

Oh by the way, the Dayton shooter was affiliated with the Democratic Socialists of America as well as a socialist gun group.

Did ya check yer facts REAL good?

How A Right-Wing Conspiracy Site Seized On Bogus Info About The El Paso Shooter

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/righ ... so-shooter

In the hours after a mass shooting Saturday, a right-wing conspiracy website used bogus “evidence” from a reputation management website to spread misinformation about the accused gunman.

After initial reports identified Patrick Crusius as the alleged gunman behind the the El Paso Walmart massacre that left 22 people dead and more wounded, Jim Hoft, founder of the right-wing conspiracy website The Gateway Pundit, presented an inaccurate picture of Crusius to his readers.

Somebody AFTER he was dead changed the gunman's profile, which is typical of people presenting evidence from the right. Change the facts on unsecure website than point to the bogus evidence as facts .....

and "gateway pundit" really???

they are one of the most unreliable websites only outdone by alex jones....

so as usual cog is claiming something that is not true ... based on lies from the right wing echo chamber......

[Cog]

I never made any claims about the El Paso shooter. Go back and read what I posted. The Dayton shooter was proven to be a left wing nutjob. Not that it matters, since Trump had nothing to do with either one of them.

[clif]

The Dayton shooter was proven to be a left wing nutjob

FALSE as I have shown, faked websites AFTER his death ......

But keep believing somebody else's buttcrack claims like gateway pundit instead of verifiable evidence with actual screen shots.