[KaiserJeep]

Thus all green efforts are lost. Really, anybody who thinks different is delusional. Nor is the trend positive, it's very much negative, with China bringing a new coal plant online every 5 days and India every 8 days.

In fact China now burns 3X the coal as does the USA. I do not begrudge them their Middle Class splendor, I just wish they would be greener about it. When it comes to green energy, they talk more than they do. So does the USA.

[jedrider]

No. Human nature is not going to change. We will try to extract the maximum possible under all circumstances. It doesn't mean we shouldn't try to become GREEN. However, I see that nations cannot come to sensible strategies to preserve what wildernesses that they already have, and I can only be pessimistic at our outcome.

[Newfie]

Thus all green efforts are lost. Really, anybody who thinks different is delusional. Nor is the trend positive, it's very much negative, with China bringing a new coal plant online every 5 days and India every 8 days.

In fact China now burns 3X the coal as does the USA. I do not begrudge them their Middle Class splendor, I just wish they would be greener about it. When it comes to green energy, they talk more than they do. So does the USA.

Don’t know how you got that from my post, I said no such thing.

There are things to do that are beneficial on various levels. But they require careful consideration.

[jawagord]

If you thought February was cold you’re right, not to worry doomers “the heat went into the ocean” again.

Averaged separately, the global land-only surface temperature was the 15th highest on record for February at 1.04°C (1.87°F) above the 20th century average.

Meanwhile, the global ocean-only surface temperature was 0.70°C (1.26°F) above average and the second warmest February since global records began in 1880. This value is 0.11°C (0.20°F) less than the record-warm February set in 2016.

The most notable cool temperature departures from average were present across parts of the Northern Hemisphere, specifically across Canada and the contiguous U.S. as well as parts of central Asia, where temperatures were 3.0°C (5.4°F) below average or cooler.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201902

[asg70]

To answer the thread...

NOPE

[Plantagenet]

....China bringing a new coal plant online every 5 days and India every 8 days.....In fact China now burns 3X the coal as does the USA. I do not begrudge them their Middle Class splendor, I just wish they would be greener about it. When it comes to green energy, they talk more than they do.

Obama got the Chinese to say their CO2 emissions will peak in the year 2030, just 11 years from now. No doubt their emissions will be be 4-6x times greater then the US by then and perhaps even more. But not to worry-----China is allowed to emit all the CO2 they want under the Paris Climate Accords.

Cheers!

[asg70]

Obama got...

Mr. "I fly around the world for fun" is back on his blame Obama kick. Obviously someone loves throwing stones in glass houses.

[Plantagenet]

Obama got...

Obama kick....

Sing it, Barack

by Marie Cadden

Only this unique hybrid -

because he has known

the stigma

of the half-cast,

the unease

of the muslim,

the apprehension

of the christian,

the stoicism

of the african,

the ambiguity

of the caucasian,

the tension

of the afro american -

can envision

the sovereignty

of the colour-blind,

can own that song

and sing it.

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Cheers!

[Newfie]

OK you two, if you want to continue this lovers quarell get a room.

[jedrider]

"Has Global Warming Peaked?" is a very GOOD question.

Does one become so inured to something that one is expecting in all it's horrors, that in the end, one just welcomes it in unassumingly, just like a long expected guest finally arriving?

I think that many of us here are studying the hell out of it until we accept it.

However, it seems beyond our comprehension what the results will actually be so, maybe, it hasn't quite peaked, in our consciousness, yet, and maybe never will, for us.

[dissident]

The problem is that it is, at this stage, coming on too slowly for most developed country residents to care. Some people somewhere are already feeling the pain, but smarmy, smug and deluded 1st world sheeple are content for now. They will only react when the pain is too much and by then it will be way too late to even mitigate the impacts. The frog in the pot is a good visual representation of this. Even if it is apocryphal.

[vtsnowedin]

This is from 2014 so a bit dated but the speaker is still around.
It should cause a little discussion here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZlICdawHRA

[jawagord]

The 2019 wait is over and the bad news is the 2016 peak continues with another non-record temperature ANOMALY for 2019. The whopping 1.8 (or 1.7 NOAA) degrees Fahrenheit ANOMALY was only good for second place. Good thing we can average in the sparsely measured ocean and Arctic temperatures as continental USA was bringing the average down with its 34th warmest year. And don’t forget to read the NASA/NOAA junk science weasel words at the bottom. Predictions for 2020 anyone?

According to independent analyses by NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), Earth's global surface temperatures in 2019 were the second warmest since modern record keeping began in 1880.

Globally, 2019 temperatures were second only to those of 2016.

This past year, they were 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit (0.98 degrees Celsius) warmer than the 1951 to 1980 mean, according to scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York.

Weather dynamics often affect regional temperatures, so not every region on Earth experienced similar amounts of warming. NOAA found the 2019 annual mean temperature for the contiguous 48 United States was the 34th warmest on record, giving it a “warmer than average” classification. The Arctic region has warmed slightly more than three times faster than the rest of the world since 1970.

NASA’s temperature analyses incorporate surface temperature measurements from more than 20,000 weather stations, ship- and buoy-based observations of sea surface temperatures, and temperature measurements from Antarctic research stations.

These in situ measurements are analyzed using an algorithm that considers the varied spacing of temperature stations around the globe and urban heat island effects that could skew the conclusions. These calculations produce the global average temperature deviations from the baseline period of 1951 to 1980.

NOAA scientists used much of the same raw temperature data, but with a different interpolation into the Earth’s polar and other data-poor regions. NOAA’s analysis found 2019 global temperatures were 1.7 degrees Fahrenheit (0.95 degrees Celsius) above the 20th century average.


https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa ... -on-record