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Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 4

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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby asg70 » Tue 24 Apr 2018, 21:59:54

M_B_S wrote:There are rumors in the www net planet x will hit earth today
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Well, that one came and went without much fuss. What else is new?

BOLD PREDICTIONS
-Billions are on the verge of starvation as the lockdown continues. (yoshua, 5/20/20)

HALL OF SHAME:
-Short welched on a bet and should be shunned.
-Frequent-flyers should not cry crocodile-tears over climate-change.
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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby M_B_S » Wed 25 Apr 2018, 02:33:34

asg70 wrote:
M_B_S wrote:There are rumors in the www net planet x will hit earth today
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Well, that one came and went without much fuss. What else is new?


You and I are still alife and are getting older ... lol :-D :idea:

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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby vox_mundi » Thu 04 Oct 2018, 17:12:46

White House Hobbles Nuclear Weapons Safety Agency

As Trump calls for new bomb production, the administration cuts safety board access to nuclear facilities

A small government safety organization tasked with protecting the workers who construct America’s nuclear arsenal and with preventing radioactive disasters in the communities where they live is under new siege in Washington.

The Trump administration, acting in an open partnership with the profit-making contractors that control the industrial sites where U.S. nuclear bombs are made and stored, has enacted new rules that limit the authority and reach of the Defense Nuclear Facilities Safety Board, created by Congress in 1988 amid broad public concerns over civil and military nuclear safety lapses.

The administration’s new rules eliminate the board’s authority to oversee workplace protections for roughly 39,000 nuclear workers and also block its unfettered access to nearly three-quarters of the nuclear weapons-related sites that it can now inspect.

In a separate move, the board’s new acting Republican chairman has proposed to put more inspectors in the field but to cut its overall staff by nearly a third, including letting some of its supporting technical experts in Washington go. The board already has one of the smallest oversight staffs of any federal agency.

The twin assaults on the operations and authority of the safety board come just as the Energy Department, acting at President Trump’s direction, is embarking on the most aggressive era of nuclear weapons production since the Cold War. Trump has called for one new nuclear bomb to be produced immediately, and for the production of another new bomb to be studied.

... But one of the board’s Democratic members, Joyce Connery, has said “this seems to be the perfect storm for accidents to happen, and this is a time where we should be doubling down on our efforts on nuclear safety.”

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Trump May Restart Nuclear Tests in the Nevada Desert

Since 1993, the Department of Energy has had to be ready to conduct a nuclear test within two to three years if ordered by the President. Late last year, the Trump Administration ordered the department to be ready, for the first time, to conduct a short-notice nuclear test in as little as six months.

That is not enough time to install the warhead in shafts as deep as 4,000 ft. and affix all the proper technical instrumentation and diagnostics equipment.

But the purpose of such a detonation, which the Administration labels “a simple test, with waivers and simplified processes,” would not be to ensure that the nation’s most powerful weapons were in operational order, or to check whether a new type of warhead worked, a TIME review of nuclear-policy documents has found. Rather, a National Nuclear Security Administration official tells TIME, such a test would be “conducted for political purposes.”

In addition to putting the Nevada testing ground on notice, he has signed off on a $1.2 trillion plan to overhaul the entire nuclear-weapons complex. Trump has authorized a new nuclear warhead, the first in 34 years. He is funding research and development on a mobile medium-range missile. The new weapon, if tested or deployed, would be prohibited by a 30-year-old Cold War nuclear-forces agreement with Russia (which has already violated the agreement). And for the first time, the U.S. is expanding the scenarios under which the President would consider going nuclear to “significant non-nuclear strategic attacks,” including major cyberattacks.

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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby GHung » Thu 04 Oct 2018, 18:38:12

Freakin' mad man. Pegs my doom-o-meter.
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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby vox_mundi » Thu 04 Oct 2018, 21:13:56

GHung wrote:Freakin' mad man. Pegs my doom-o-meter.

Don't Panic!

Energy Secretary Oops (AKA Rick Perry) has everything under control.
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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 04 Oct 2018, 21:22:06

What a pile of BS. For one thing the last set of equipment was partially emplaced and the wells already drilled when President Clinton ordered the moratorium in 1993. So the wells are already there and installing the instruments sure as heck doesn't take six months unless you are on some wacky cost plus contract where every day of delay leads to a bigger payout.

For decades the USA routinley planned and executed a set of tests every year. Initially in the South Pacific and then from the early 1950's in the Nevada test Site. Above ground tests in the Pacific were ended in the early 1960's when the USSR promised to stop open air testing after Tsar Bomba and our government went along.

But deep testing is and was perfectly legit and continued from the mid 1960's after the atmospheric test ban all the way to 1993 when President Clinton instituted the moratorium. The problem is, to have a real credible deterrent you can not just claim your 30 year old designs are perfect and effective. Every now and then you need to pull something out of the inventory and test it to see how real world aging may have effected it. Be a shame to have a nuclear war because the Chinese or Russia know their weapons are fully functional but they believe ours have corroded into uselessness.
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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby GHung » Thu 04 Oct 2018, 21:31:02

Madman.
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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Thu 04 Oct 2018, 22:46:34

Nuclear surety is part of process of keeping our nuclear deterrent credible.
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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 05 Oct 2018, 08:14:26

Cog wrote:Nuclear surety is part of process of keeping our nuclear deterrent credible.


Exactly! I don't want to have a nuclear war just because our deterrent is doubted by foreign powers!

Nuclear weapons exist no matter how hard you squeeze your eyes closed and wish them away. Unless or until every country allows unlimited inspection by an international search force they will remain in arsenals all over the place whether the country in question is an official nuclear weapon power or not.

I don't foresee any circumstances where the UK, France, China, India, Pakistan, Russia, USA and Israel are all going to welcome in an international disarmament force. So long as one country has nuclear weapons nobody else is going to give them up. If a major power believes the USA arsenal is not a real threat the temptation of making a first strike becomes a very real threat to world peace.

Let me be clear, I think adopting the MAD standard of defense in the 1960's was a huge mistake, but it has kept us from actually getting into a war for almost two generations. The M in MAD stands for Mutual, because all sides believe an attack on another power would mean retaliation that would destroy them as well. Keep ignoring assurance of function and sooner or later someone is going to decide to roll the dice on civilization.
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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 05 Oct 2018, 11:09:54

But what most people I believe think, is that the very creation and deployment of Nuclear Weapons was a huge and tragic mistake. It is like the nuclear genie is out of the bottle and no putting it back in.
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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Fri 05 Oct 2018, 11:46:16

The employment of two nuclear weapons on Japan saved millions of lives. Most of which were Japanese. While MAD doctrine might not make logical sense, no one has employed a nuclear weapon in war for 73 years.

Research operation Olympic and Downfall.
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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 05 Oct 2018, 12:44:07

Cog wrote:The employment of two nuclear weapons on Japan saved millions of lives. Most of which were Japanese. While MAD doctrine might not make logical sense, no one has employed a nuclear weapon in war for 73 years.

Research operation Olympic and Downfall.

Yeah, well research the Cuban Missile Crisis and how close we came to all out nuclear war. Also, research briefcase size nuclear weapons. Given our history of warfare and emotional mindset, having such a devaststing weapon being produced by several countries and with instructions on manufacturing a tactical nuclear weapon on the Net, this should not provide any sense of comfort to anyone. Asymetrical warfare is the manner anyone with a grievance can lash out. And the destruction they can inflict with a nuclear weapon is enormous. So, nothing more complicated than an economic transaction whereby supply meets demand
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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 05 Oct 2018, 12:58:49

onlooker wrote:
Cog wrote:The employment of two nuclear weapons on Japan saved millions of lives. Most of which were Japanese. While MAD doctrine might not make logical sense, no one has employed a nuclear weapon in war for 73 years.

Research operation Olympic and Downfall.

Yeah, well research the Cuban Missile Crisis and how close we came to all out nuclear war. Also, research briefcase size nuclear weapons. Given our history of warfare and emotional mindset, having such a devaststing weapon being produced by several countries and with instructions on manufacturing a tactical nuclear weapon on the Net, this should not provide any sense of comfort to anyone. Asymetrical warfare is the manner anyone with a grievance can lash out. And the destruction they can inflict with a nuclear weapon is enormous. So, nothing more complicated than an economic transaction whereby supply meets demand


We know foreign countries are not about to give up their nuclear weapons so what do you suggest we do about it? As you said, the genie is out of the bottle and will not be put back, so what is your alternative? Completely disarm the USA and hope no tyrant ever takes over a different nuclear power? Pakistan and India each have over 100 devices, possibly many more. We do not live in a perfect world, far from it. If the USA were not able to retaliate what is to stop some future Jihadi leader of Pakistan from striking the USA to rid the world of the 'Great Satan'? Like it or not we have made a lot of enemies around the world in the last century, and if we were vulnerable to a first strike without the ability to retaliate you can bet dollars to doughnuts one or another of them would hit us as hard as they possibly could. A dozen destroyed cities could be the cost of your disarmament plan in our imperfect world, if we were lucky, and the top hundred population centers if you are talking a true revenge mission strike.
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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 05 Oct 2018, 13:08:18

Tanada, I am not pretending to offer any such disarmament solution. Which is why I said the biggest mistake was their creation and development in the first place. I see no solution except perhaps in some farther off future. How a nuclear weapons free world can be accomplished.? I haven't the slightest clue or even whether it is possible.
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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Fri 05 Oct 2018, 13:29:59

Nuclear weapons were inevitable. Both Japan and Germany had them under development in WW2. The US economy plus the recruiting of scientific minds from many countries enabled the US to win that particular race.

I happen to agree, Nagasaki and Hiroshima - both legitimate military targets in WW2 - were the price for 73 years of peace. Maybe we need a larger threat to secure the peace now.

Kinetic enegy weapons delivered from orbit may be most of the answer. Just as destructive as nukes, they offer pinpoint accuracy and zero nuclear fallout or ground contamination. The size of the industrial base necessary to support a space program will ensure that no upstart countries join the select Kinetic Energy Weapons club. Any country that employs a first strike nuclear weapon - or multiple Muslim countries if NGO groups like Al Quaida employ such - would face a rain of rocks from space until they literally rejoin the Stone Age.
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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby Subjectivist » Fri 05 Oct 2018, 17:18:36

KaiserJeep wrote:Nuclear weapons were inevitable. Both Japan and Germany had them under development in WW2. The US economy plus the recruiting of scientific minds from many countries enabled the US to win that particular race.

I happen to agree, Nagasaki and Hiroshima - both legitimate military targets in WW2 - were the price for 73 years of peace. Maybe we need a larger threat to secure the peace now.

Kinetic enegy weapons delivered from orbit may be most of the answer. Just as destructive as nukes, they offer pinpoint accuracy and zero nuclear fallout or ground contamination. The size of the industrial base necessary to support a space program will ensure that no upstart countries join the select Kinetic Energy Weapons club. Any country that employs a first strike nuclear weapon - or multiple Muslim countries if NGO groups like Al Quaida employ such - would face a rain of rocks from space until they literally rejoin the Stone Age.


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Trump attempts transfer of nuclear tech to Saudi Arabia

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sat 02 Mar 2019, 03:05:49

Multiple Whistleblowers Raise Grave Concerns with White House Efforts to Transfer Sensitive U.S. Nuclear Technology to Saudi Arabia
Today, Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, the Chairman of the Committee on Oversight and Reform, issued an interim staff report after multiple whistleblowers came forward to warn about efforts inside the White House to rush the transfer of highly sensitive U.S. nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia in potential violation of the Atomic Energy Act and without review by Congress as required by law—efforts that may be ongoing to this day. The report states:

“The whistleblowers who came forward have expressed significant concerns about the potential procedural and legal violations connected with rushing through a plan to transfer nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia. They have warned of conflicts of interest among top White House advisers that could implicate federal criminal statutes. They have also warned about a working environment inside the White House marked by chaos, dysfunction, and backbiting. And they have warned about political appointees ignoring directives from top ethics advisors at the White House who repeatedly and unsuccessfully ordered senior Trump Administration officials to halt their efforts.”

The report warns that that White House efforts to transfer sensitive U.S. nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia may be accelerating after meetings last week at the White House and ahead of a planned visit to Saudi Arabia by the President’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner:

“The Committee’s investigation is particularly critical because the Administration’s efforts to transfer sensitive U.S. nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia appear to be ongoing. On February 12, 2019, the President met with nuclear power developers at the White House about sharing nuclear technology with countries in the Middle East, including Saudi Arabia. In addition, next week Mr. Kushner will be embarking on a tour of Middle Eastern capitals—including Riyadh—to discuss the economic portion of the Administration’s Middle East peace plan.”

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One such concern is the administration’s rejection of advice from lawyers, who warned that its plans to sell nuclear technology violated the Atomic Energy Act, designed to safeguard against the unchecked proliferation of atomic weapons and materials. Another is the brazen and unethical self-dealing by figures close to Trump, who sought to profit from the Saudi deals — including disgraced former national security adviser Michael Flynn and Tom Barrack, the real estate executive and Trump pal who ran the inaugural committee (now also under investigation by federal prosecutors).

According to the interim report, Flynn signed on as “advisor” to a firm known as IP3, which the Washington Post’s Paul Waldman accurately described as an “all-star team” of retired generals and diplomats pushing to build nukes in Saudi. This IP3 outfit recruited Flynn while he was serving as a campaign adviser to Trump, and he continued that role, despite the obvious conflict of interest, after he entered the White House. Others on Trump’s national security staff joined with Flynn to promote the Saudi nuclear sales, sparking conflict with officials who objected both on policy and legal grounds.

As soon as Trump was inaugurated, the IP3 group started pushing him to appoint Barrack as a “special representative” of the U.S. government to “implement the plan.” At the same time, Barrack was considering an investment in Westinghouse Electric, one of the world’s largest builders of nuclear plants. Assisting him was Rick Gates — who had worked for Paul Manafort and ended up with a guilty plea and a cooperation agreement with the Office of Special Counsel.

Let’s pause here to think hard about the wisdom of constructing dozens of nuclear plants, with their potential for terrorist exploitation, in the same country that sent forth the 9/11 hijackers — never mind its recent misadventures in Yemen and its brutal murder of an American resident and Washington Post journalist, Jamal Khashoggi. It is incomprehensible that any American president would consider turning over the most lethal technology to the Saudis, with their aggressive brand of radicalized Wahhabi Islam.

But leaving aside the peril to world peace, there are billions to be made here. And that may be what matters most to the inhabitants of the Trump White House.

In that connection, the interim report notes a fascinating timeline, which begins with a holding company called Brookfield Asset Management acquiring Westinghouse Electric for $4.6 billion in January 2018. (Of course, Westinghouse Electric would benefit hugely from the IP3 plan to build those Saudi nukes.) And just seven months later, Brookfield Asset Management purchased a 99-year lease on 666 Fifth Avenue — the famous Manhattan tower whose $1.8 billion in debt had nearly ruined Jared Kushner’s family company, which owned it.

Brookfield’s decision to bail out the Kushners by paying for that overpriced lease upfront puzzled observers when the company first announced its purchase. After so many other potential investors had passed on that bad deal, why did Brookfield bite?

Perhaps now we will find out.

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Attempts to transfer sensitive nuclear technology to a foreign country in violation of section 123 of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 meets the definition of Espionage.
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Re: Trump attempts transfer of nuclear tech to Saudi Arabia

Unread postby Cog » Sat 02 Mar 2019, 05:01:59

The Saudis are allowed, just like any other country in the world, the peaceful use of nuclear energy. The benefits to American companies selling this technology instead of Chinese or Russian companies is enormous.

More anonymous sources and fake news. I see Cid has no problem with Iranians continuing this nuclear program to include a weapons program. Pallets of cash delivered by Obama to the Iranians buys a lot of silence from the left.
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Re: Trump attempts transfer of nuclear tech to Saudi Arabia

Unread postby Cog » Sat 02 Mar 2019, 05:21:10

From another news source not quite as Anti-Trump in nature. The controls will be in place so this nuclear technology can only be used for peaceful purposes. Its not slanted to bash Trump so I'm not surprised that Cid didn't post it. The Saudi's are going to buy the technology from someone. As an American, I want it bought from American companies because its a MAGA thing to do.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/16/brouill ... lding.html

A representative of the United States government said Saturday that it would not help Saudi Arabia develop nuclear technology without guarantees that it would only be used for civilian purposes.

Saudi Arabia has put the U.S. on a shortlist with China, Russia and others to bid for nuclear power projects in the country. Washington sees Saudi Arabia as a big customer of American nuclear expertise and hardware, but lawmakers from both U.S. political parties are demanding a deal be based on tough controls.

Section 123 of the United States Atomic Energy Act of 1954, titled "Cooperation With Other Nations," sets an agreement for cooperation as a prerequisite for nuclear deals between the U.S. and any other nation. Under a "123 measure," any U.S. nuclear deal with Saudi Arabia would prohibit routes toward the making of nuclear weapons by banning enrichment of uranium or the reprocessing of plutonium.


Speaking to CNBC's Hadley Gamble at the Munich Security Conference on Saturday, the U.S. Deputy Energy Secretary Dan Brouillette, said such an agreement was imperative to any nuclear deal with Riyadh.

"We won't allow them to bypass 123 if they want to have civilian nuclear power that includes U.S. nuclear technologies."

On Sunday, Saudi Arabian Prince Turki Al-Faisal responded directly to Brouillette's words, saying the country had more options than just U.S. technology.

"Well the nuclear energy market is open. It is not just the United States that is providing nuclear technology," he told CNBC's Hadley Gamble in Munich.

"We have France, we have Russia, we have China. We have our friends in Pakistan and in other places as well, so if they want to remove themselves from that market, well, that's up to them."

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Re: Trump attempts transfer of nuclear tech to Saudi Arabia

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sat 02 Mar 2019, 08:34:23

You really are a moron. ANY transfer of nuclear technology to another country requires approval of Congress. After meeting resistance from Congress, the Trump Administration COVERTLY continued their plan to do the transfer anyway. That's called Espionage.

Saudi Arabia has no need for nuclear energy, duh. The only use they would have for reactors, would be the manufacture of nuclear weapons.

All of the Intelligence agencies of the United States and our European Allies say that Iran remains in compliance with the Iran nuclear deal.

KaiserJeep wrote:Look, you are applying Western and Christian behaviors and attitudes to [fundamentalist] Islam. 15 of the 19 terrorist assholes on 9/11/2001 were Saudi Arabians who practiced Wahhabism (i.e. fundamentalist Islam). Just because YOU wouldn't blow the world up does not mean that THEY would not. As a matter of fact, I believe that they WOULD, just as soon as they gain the means to do so. Nor would they consider it crazy or an undesirable thing to do. For them it would be a necessary, joyful act, for which they would be rewarded in the afterlife.


Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together can see why you do NOT want Saudi Arabia to have nuclear reactors. Which is why Congress would NEVER approve such a deal.

By the way, the Congressional Committee on Oversight and Reform, is not an anonymous source.
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