[Revi]

Well now that we have that figured out, what do you think's going to happen. Here's my guesses.
1) Warren and Biden continue to battle for first while an as yet unknown comes up the side to take the race.

2) Our Dear Leader abdicates his throne and runs to the arms of his pal to the east to avoid prosecution.

3) The presidency becomes a booby prize, because peak oil sets in to make us all more miserable than we are already.

[Pops]

Impeachment in the house, abdication in the Senate, Moscow Mitch will do as little as possible before voting.

Like with Barrs memo on Muller, trumps will see it as confirmation so continue to do ever crazier things to bring in ever crazier people. It worked before.

Real Clear has Biden and Warren even right this minute with Liz rising and joe and Bern falling. Harris is out of it and everyone else was never in.

Liz has a better chance of getting to the working class than Bernie I think. I'd expect her to start moderating her message any time, concentrate on the anger people still feel for wall street and the trump tax giveaway. Lots of fertile ground with blue collar people.

Trump is out of control. I have no idea what he might do between now and the election. I don't know, he might cut a deal with Nancy and Chuck and not run in return for a promise not to lock him up, or maybe he'll quit so Pence can pardon him. Really, nothing will surprise me, though I'm sure I'll still be dumbfounded by whatever it is, LOL

[Outcast_Searcher]

So let's have you and the D's who want the immigrants
wide open borders.

Point to my argument for "wide open borders."

No, because instead of YOU paying for the consequences, you want ME to pay for those consequences.

Are liberals capable of understanding that concept?

[Outcast_Searcher]

So let's have you and the D's who want the immigrants
wide open borders.

Point to my argument for "wide open borders."

No, because instead of YOU paying for the consequences, you want ME to pay for those consequences.

Are liberals capable of understanding that concept?

And if you're going to alter my quote, leaving out a lot of words and distorting the meaning, at least be honest enough to clearly show you're doing that. Funny how you complain about conservatives and accuracy and then do that.

(Quoting myself, to correct your misquote):

So let's have you and the D's who want the immigrants voluntarily pay for all their benefits, etc. You house them, solve all their problems, etc.

[jedrider]

Outcast_Searcher wrote:
So let's have you and the D's who want the immigrants voluntarily pay for all their benefits, etc. You house them, solve all their problems, etc.

Well, Democrats were never for "open" borders, at least, not in it's entirety. By working in the U.S., many immigrants were actually being a net plus to our economy. By forced deportations of well-integrated immigrants, this is not providing any tax payer relief. Trump didn't go about this in the right way by a long shot.

[Pops]

Yes. I'm "mean" (and honest) enough to admit I have an issue with the economic consequences of having wide open borders.

You quoted me then set up a strawman to knock down.
Point to where I advocated "wide open borders."

[Cog]

Pops wants no punishment or penalty for illegals crossing our borders. It's hard not to call that concept open borders just like all the Dem candidates advocate.

[Plantagenet]

(plant)
You reaaaally need a new source...

You need to improve your reading comprehension skills. I've been saying all along that Old White Joe would never win and that Bernie is too old. Warren is a formidable campaigner but she has a strange tendency to lie about her own background. Its bad enough that she lied for years about being an Indian, stealing an affirmative action hiring slot from a real Indian, but now its come out she also lied about being fired from a job for being pregnant.

These are two pretty big lies. I wonder if there are other things in her background that Warren is lying about?

Cheers!

[Outcast_Searcher]

Yes. I'm "mean" (and honest) enough to admit I have an issue with the economic consequences of having wide open borders.

You quoted me then set up a strawman to knock down.
Point to where I advocated "wide open borders."

OK. SO pretend that completely misquoting me is fine, and it's also my fault.

To me, you're just ruined your credibility.

Point to where you haven't been constantly arguing for more immigration. How is that not wide open borders? Are you now playing semantics games?

[Cog]

Warren has that screeching harpie deal pretty well down pat.

[Newfie]

Speculation is rising Hillary will announce for the Presidency.

Why is this starting to seem like a Dallas episode?

[rockdoc123]

Why is this starting to seem like a Dallas episode?

you mean the one where Bobby woke up to find the last full season was just a bad dream?

[Newfie]

Yup.

[Pops]

LOL

WISH CASTING
Conservatives Are Convincing Themselves That Clinton Will Run Again

[jedrider]

To me, Elizabeth Warren and Tulsi Gabbard are the two candidates in contention that I find interesting and that would also have some traction and, certainly, also appear quite different from each other. Now, if Bernie would agree to be the VP running mate to either candidate, this would elicit a groundswell of voters that did not turn up in the last election.

Holding my breath that the DNC doesn't go full on boring. That's where Trump, trumped everyone, that he was not boring being such a loudmouth fool.

Boring = Safe.

But, we don't live in 'safe' nor 'settled' times.

[Revi]

To me, Elizabeth Warren and Tulsi Gabbard are the two candidates in contention that I find interesting and that would also have some traction and, certainly, also appear quite different from each other. Now, if Bernie would agree to be the VP running mate to either candidate, this would elicit a groundswell of voters that did not turn up in the last election.

Holding my breath that the DNC doesn't go full on boring. That's where Trump, trumped everyone, that he was not boring being such a loudmouth fool.

Boring = Safe.

But, we don't live in 'safe' nor 'settled' times.

That's for sure! I hope we can run someone who reflects the current makeup of the US. I like Julian Castro, but maybe his name would turn off some...

[Pops]

Warren has a very blue collar message and is starting to make inroads into the moderate electorate.
Her book way back, "two income trap" wasn't targeting latte liberals but working class people.
Yeah, she talks all the lefty identity stuff and welfare state programs and gets into the weeds with her plans but I think she's rising because she is learning to communicate better. trump has lock her up and build the wall, Liz is getting the chant "2 cents"

[Outcast_Searcher]

Warren has a very blue collar message and is starting to make inroads into the moderate electorate.
Her book way back, "two income trap" wasn't targeting latte liberals but working class people.
Yeah, she talks all the lefty identity stuff and welfare state programs and gets into the weeds with her plans but I think she's rising because she is learning to communicate better. trump has lock her up and build the wall, Liz is getting the chant "2 cents"

You do realize that the "2 cents" chant is about targeting the rich, right? The rich who already pay a huge proportion of the US income taxes?

I'd call that much more in the class of "lefty" stuff than identifying with moderates.

Why not just kill all the rich and take all their money now and get it over with? The lefties could run the country for a few years on that. THEN what?

Or more likely with her current plan, just lose more taxes and productivity by encouraging the rich to leave, to hide assets, etc. instead of to try to productively contribute to the economy.

Yeah. That should work out just great. Just like something for nothing left wing economics always does.

[Pops]

Why not just kill all the rich and take all their money now and get it over with?

"The Rich" don't need your help, they are doing fine.

[Plantagenet]

I wonder what that chart would look like if the US hadn't allowed over 10 million illegal aliens into the country. Illegal aliens come into the country with literally nothing, and then they are exploited by unscrupulous employers due to their illegal status so they are often the poorest of the poor.

IF 10+ million of the poorest people who are non-citizens were excluded from the tabulation, the line for the income for the "bottom" 90% would pop up to a higher level.

We now have more illegal aliens in the country then ever in history----AND that affects things like average income calculations.

Cheers!