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THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Wed 03 Apr 2019, 13:45:10

That would be a waste of time and money for both her and the Democrats.
I doubt if she could even meet the contributor requirements to get into the debates.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 03 Apr 2019, 17:22:37

Cog wrote:I'm wondering if the final Democratic nominee is someone we haven't seen enter the race yet. I'm thinking of a leftist version of Donald Trump. A rich business type of either male or female persuasion. It did work for Trump who was not really a classic Republican.


Bloomberg?
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 03 Apr 2019, 17:24:48

Plantagenet wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:The Donald's biggest advantage was his nationwide name recognition mostly achieved by his being on the "apprentice". Who besides Oprah has that much recognition?


Hillary.

Once Joe Biden drops out now that he's been unmasked as a hair sniffing butt rubbing thigh grabbing old white male perv, I wouldn't be surprised to see Hillary make her move into the open lane that will create in the D primary.

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I mused elsewhere I could see her crop up after the first round of convention votes. 10 contenders and no one over 15%. Then Hillary pops up with 100% of the Suoer Delegates and she is the clear winner.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Wed 03 Apr 2019, 17:58:07

Newfie wrote:
Cog wrote:I'm wondering if the final Democratic nominee is someone we haven't seen enter the race yet. I'm thinking of a leftist version of Donald Trump. A rich business type of either male or female persuasion. It did work for Trump who was not really a classic Republican.


Bloomberg?


Yeah I was going to mention him but I believe he has indicated he isn't interested. He might change his mind though.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Wed 03 Apr 2019, 18:01:48

Whoever Obama throws his support to will be the nominee. Most will drop out when they can't raise the money. There is an implicit understanding among the big Democrat donors that whoever is the nominee won't be hurting their particular business. Same as Republican donors.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Wed 03 Apr 2019, 19:21:33

Bloomberg?

No too old.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 03 Apr 2019, 19:41:47

Read today he is reconsidering as Biden is in the shits.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 03 Apr 2019, 21:22:55

Cog wrote:Whoever Obama throws his support to will be the nominee.....


Its pretty clear Obama isn't backing old pervy Joe.

Old Joe's friends are speaking up to say he is a good guy and not a perv. But where is Obama while Biden's political life is hanging by a thread? Obama is silent. Old pervy Joe served as Obama's loyal VP for 8 years, but now that old Joe Biden is being accused of being a serial hair sniffer, thigh grabber and butt rubber, Obama can't be bothered to say a word in his defense.

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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby mmasters » Wed 03 Apr 2019, 21:54:06

I'm surprised the left isn't pushing for a moderate like Biden (who could possibly win) but they want something more radical. I think Bernie is going to get the nomination this time around.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Thu 04 Apr 2019, 00:05:55

The left has lost their mind. They are not interested in an incremental president like Biden. They want a full blown socialist and they think Trump can easily be defeated. In many ways, they live in their own bubble and believe the entire country believes in socialism.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 04 Apr 2019, 08:29:20

The Left is not a unified whole, its an amalgam of interest groups with little to hold them together. The right has similar issues, just not to the same extent.

This polarity May leave an opening for a viable 3rd party candidate or independent. Someone’s who can enunciate some kind of reasonable vision.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 04 Apr 2019, 09:34:18

Newfie wrote:The Left is not a unified whole, its an amalgam of interest groups with little to hold them together. The right has similar issues, just not to the same extent.

This polarity May leave an opening for a viable 3rd party candidate or independent. Someone’s who can enunciate some kind of reasonable vision.


For a very long period stretching from the ACW up until about 2000 the two major parties have been stable for one reason. Whenever a partly viable third party would appear with a different idea that drew attention one r both of the major parties would adopt the new issue and internalize it to secure the holders of that idea in their base.

The first big issue I can think of that both parties rejected is congressional term limits. No way are those with a seat at the table willing to surrender that seat even if it could win them some elections in the short run. The average US Senator serves 3+ terms in office, 18+ years, and members of the house are not far behind though it takes many more election cycles. The top end are people like John Dingle who took office in 1955 and held it until 2016.

For the last 15 years or so however we have seen the D party collect more and more strident minorities of smaller and smaller size. In the real world homosexual people make up between 2% and 5% of the population and this lead both parties to oppose 'gay marriage' right up until the D party flipped and suddenly adopted the cause as vital to holding the homosexual voters in their coalition. From there they went to ever smaller minorities of the LGBTQX... varieties to the point where they now support unisex restrooms and pre-op transexuals competing in their 'preferred gender' at sporting events.

If you are transgender that is your right under the if it doesn't hurt me or mine its not my business rule of ethics. But when a pre-op 'trans' male competes in a women's athletic event he has all the hormones and muscle mass, not to mention bone structure, of a male athlete. This gives 'her' a huge unfair advantage over the standard women who were born women with all the normal muscle mass and hormones that come with that genetic sexual status. Even post-op the bone structure is essentially unchanged and the muscle mass doesn't disappear instantly, much of it can be retained with strenuous exercise regimes even after removing the sources of male hormones and substituting female hormone sources.

So the D party has spent the last 10-15 years pulling in these ever smaller minorities of the population in an attempt to grow the party, but this is creating problems in the department of unity. Anti-Jewish and Anti-Christian groups within the coalition are loud and obnoxious to the point they drive the remaining members of those groups away from the D party. Instead of celebrating that they are being heard and accepted they continue to demand more and more power over the direction the D party goes, and each group wants it to go a bit differently so they all compete to be the loudest and most influential.

Right now IMO the D's should be thrilled President Trump holds office as so far as I can tell hating him is the main unifying force that currently exists.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Thu 04 Apr 2019, 11:25:20

Old school Dems versus Bernie Bot Dems versus AOC hard left Dems. Let them fight. Never interrupt the enemy when they are making a mistake.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Thu 04 Apr 2019, 12:13:40

The D's are so fragmented today that Biden is the leading candidate, polling higher than anybody else. This in spite of the fact that Biden is 70+ years of age, White, a Christian, a child of priviledge, heterosexual, and ON and ON, doesm't push ANY of the victimhood buttons.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 04 Apr 2019, 15:59:54

KaiserJeep wrote:The D's are so fragmented today that Biden is the leading candidate, polling higher than anybody else. This in spite of the fact that Biden is 70+ years of age.....doesm't push ANY of the victimhood buttons.


Old Joe BIden has now admitted to being a thoughtless, feckless, out-of-touch hair-sniffing thigh grabbing butt rubbing pervy type with no understanding of modern social conventions. Maybe that will be enough to gain him victimhood status and elevation to the pantheon of D heroes. 8) :-D :P
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Thu 04 Apr 2019, 16:11:33

Howard Schultz, CEO of Starbucks is doing a town hall meeting tonight on Fox news. He has pretty much equally disparaged the policies of Republicans and Democrats. I'll be interested in what he has to say. Seems to be a fiscal conservative and social liberal.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 04 Apr 2019, 16:57:03

Cog wrote:Howard Schultz, CEO of Starbucks is doing a town hall meeting tonight on Fox news. He has pretty much equally disparaged the policies of Republicans and Democrats. I'll be interested in what he has to say. Seems to be a fiscal conservative and social liberal.


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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Thu 04 Apr 2019, 17:14:08

If you don't have cable TV, sometimes RSBN will livestream debates and town halls on youtube. I will have to watch it later tonight and report on it. I'm off to the senior center to be entertained by old people.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Thu 04 Apr 2019, 20:27:50

I was not able to view the full town hall but there were some clips on youtube.

He describes himself as a centrist and life long Democrat. But he points out the Democrats moved away from him with they espoused a more socialistic direction. He said if a socialist ends up as the nominee (Sanders) Trump will easily win. He also made the point that we need character in the White house and Trump lacks character.

On health care, he disagrees with the Republican efforts to eliminate O-Care and he also opposes Medicare for all that the Democrats support. Since over 100 million people obtain their health insurance through their employer, he believes that should remain in place as the employer pays most of that burden instead of the government. His focus is competition and cost cutting of drug prices. He does believe health care is a right and wants everyone covered by catastrophic health care insurance. The sort of medical issues which bankrupt people.

If I find a link to the whole town hall I will post it here.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Fri 05 Apr 2019, 04:50:23

That your employer is paying it does not mean it is not coming out of your hide. The cost of a family plan today is approaching $20,000 a year plus deductibles you pay with after tax dollars. The premiums alone amount to $10.00 for every hour you work and that money could be in your paycheck if you could opt out of the healthcare system.
When you consider that when it is all said and done we all still die in the end we are not getting much for these huge payments that are enriching a few executives at hospitals and insurance companies.
Politicians that promise to keep the current system in place are not doing us any favors just playing to our fears.
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