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THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Fri 01 Mar 2019, 08:04:28

While I admire the effort to mandatorily report an illegal trying to purchase a firearm, there is a lot in the other parts of the bill that infringes on the Second Amendment rights of American citizens.

For instance, by law the FBI is allowed three days using the NIC system to either deny or approve your gun purchase. If there is not a result either way, then the transaction can go ahead. The new law states that if you have no approval by ten days, you have to appeal to the attorney general in federal court. After 20 days with no approval or disapproval, the gun purchase is automatically disapproved. That removes the onus on the government to prove you are ineligible to purchase a firearm. The government can just run out the clock on you and say they are too busy to check your status.

This bill is dead on arrival in the Senate and Trump already said he would veto it. There are numerous other gun legislation out there by the Dems. Assault weapons bans, magazine bans, universal background checks so every gun purchase must go through a FFL, Red Flag laws which permit guns to be seized without due process.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 01 Mar 2019, 08:53:47

Elsewhere I came across some Upton Sinclair quotes. I’m posting them not to start a Socialist/Capitalist fight, although one could be excused for thinking that. No, I throughly believe the USA is no more Capitalist than Socialist we are completly given to Consumerisim, the most base of all.

What I find in Sinclair’s quotes is a description of the human condition that could be applied equally to folks in Pittsburgh or Communist Russia under Stalin. I’m posting this to point out the COMMONALITY between all parties, how universally they treat the bulk of humanity. And how humanity laps it up.

Upton Sinclair quotations:

“..there was nothing to do but to dig away at the base of this mountain of ignorance and prejudice. You must keep at the poor fellow; you must hold your temper, and argue with him, and watch for your chance to stick an idea or two into his head. And the rest of the time you must sharpen up your weapons- you must think out new replies to his objections and provide yourself with new facts to prove to him the folly of his ways.”
~ Upton Sinclair

“Say the very simplest and most obvious things, say them as often as possible, and put into the saying all the screaming passion which one human voice can carry -- that was Adolf Hitler's technique. No matter whether it was true or not -- for (Hitler) meant literally his maxim that the bigger the falsehood, the easier to get it believed; people would say you wouldn't dare make up a thing like that. Imagine the worst possible about your enemies and then swear that you knew it, you had seed it, it was God's truth and you were ready to stake your life upon it -- shout this, bellow this, over and over, day after day, night after night...when ten million join in it becomes history.”
~ Upton Sinclair

“They would tell you that governments could not manage things as economically as private individuals; they would repeat and repeat that, and think they were saying something! They could not see that “economical” management by masters meant simply that they, the people, were worked harder and ground closer and paid less!

They were wage-earners and servants, at the mercy of exploiters whose one thought was to get as much out of them as possible; and they were taking an interest in the process, were anxious lest it should not be done thoroughly enough! Was it not honestly a trial to listen to an argument such as that?

And yet there were things even worse. You would begin talking to some poor devil who had worked in one shop for the last thirty years, and had never been able to save a penny; who left home every morning at six o’clock, to go and tend a machine, and come back at night too tired to take his clothes off; who had never had a week’s vacation in his life, had never traveled, never had an adventure, never learned anything, never hoped anything—and when you started to tell him about Socialism he would sniff and say, “I’m not interested in that—I’m an individualist!” And then he would go on to tell you that Socialism was “paternalism,” and that if it ever had its way the world would stop progressing.

It was enough to make a mule laugh, to hear arguments like that; and yet it was no laughing matter, as you found out—for how many millions of such poor deluded wretches there were, whose lives had been so stunted by capitalism that they no longer knew what freedom was!

And they really thought that it was “individualism” for tens of thousands of them to herd together and obey the orders of a steel magnate, and produce hundreds of millions of dollars of wealth for him, and then let him give them libraries; while for them to take the industry, and run it to suit themselves, and build their own libraries—that would have been “Paternalism”!”
~ Upton Sinclair, The Jungle

“A world conqueror had appeared in modern times. Alexander, Caesar, Attila, Genghis Khan, Napoleon—another such as these, appearing in the age of electricity, of rotary presses and radio, when nine men out of ten would have said it was impossible. A world conqueror has to be a man of few ideas, and those fixed; a peculiar combination of exactly the right qualities, both good and bad—iron determination, irresistible energy, and no scruples of any sort. He has to know what he wants, and permit no obstacle to stand in the way of his getting it. He has to understand the minds of other men, both foes and friends, and what greeds, fears, hates, jealousies will move them to action. He must understand the mass mind, the ideals or delusions which sway it; he must be enough of a fanatic to talk their language, though not enough to be controlled by it. He must believe in nothing but his own destiny, the glorified image of himself on the screen of history; whole races of mankind made over in his own image and according to his will. To accomplish that purpose he must be liar, thief, and murderer upon a world-wide scale; he must be ready without hesitation to commit every crime his own interest commands, whether upon individuals or nations.”
~ Upton Sinclair, Dragon's Teeth

“If you wanted to understand a politician you mustn’t pay too much attention to his speeches, but find out who were his paymasters. A politician couldn’t rise in public life, in France any more than in America, unless he had the backing of big money, and it was in times of crisis like this that he paid his debts. X”
~ Upton Sinclair, World's End
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 01 Mar 2019, 09:00:20

Cog wrote:While I admire the effort to mandatorily report an illegal trying to purchase a firearm, there is a lot in the other parts of the bill that infringes on the Second Amendment rights of American citizens.

For instance, by law the FBI is allowed three days using the NIC system to either deny or approve your gun purchase. If there is not a result either way, then the transaction can go ahead. The new law states that if you have no approval by ten days, you have to appeal to the attorney general in federal court. After 20 days with no approval or disapproval, the gun purchase is automatically disapproved. That removes the onus on the government to prove you are ineligible to purchase a firearm. The government can just run out the clock on you and say they are too busy to check your status.

This bill is dead on arrival in the Senate and Trump already said he would veto it. There are numerous other gun legislation out there by the Dems. Assault weapons bans, magazine bans, universal background checks so every gun purchase must go through a FFL, Red Flag laws which permit guns to be seized without due process.


Even my SJW Wife is with you on this one.

Among the long list of things which upset me, including Civil Assett Forfiture, is the propensity we have for adding more and more legislation. What good is legislation if we can not enforece it? Already the majority of weapons offenses are committed by folks who got their guns through illegal means. We don’t need more restrictive gun laws, we need to enforce the gun laws we have.

The ONE exception I know of would be legislation requiring folks to report stolen weapons in a reasonable time. Too many folks are making straw purchases and then when the gun is found in a crime they say it was stolen. BS.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Fri 01 Mar 2019, 09:05:25

And yet there were things even worse. You would begin talking to some poor devil who had worked in one shop for the last thirty years, and had never been able to save a penny; who left home every morning at six o’clock, to go and tend a machine, and come back at night too tired to take his clothes off; who had never had a week’s vacation in his life, had never traveled, never had an adventure, never learned anything, never hoped anything—and when you started to tell him about Socialism he would sniff and say, “I’m not interested in that—I’m an individualist!” And then he would go on to tell you that Socialism was “paternalism,” and that if it ever had its way the world would stop progressing.

This one struck me as out of date in America at least. We have made considerable progress sense Sinclair's Jungle.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 31 Mar 2019, 18:34:52

Who knew Joe Biden was such a slime ball?

D Women are coming forward and accusing Joe of shuffling slowly up behind them and then sniffing their hair. And then he kisses them on top of their heads! It grosses them out and makes them feel violated.

In the “me too” era, Joe has just been outed as a creepy old serial hair sniffer.

And who wants a creepy old hair sniffer as our president. Elizabeth Warren is now demanding that Joe explain himself. But how can he possibly explain his creepy behavior except by admitting that he is a creep?
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 31 Mar 2019, 18:47:16

Plantagenet wrote:Who knew Joe Biden was such a slime ball?

D Women are coming forward and accusing Joe of shuffling slowly up behind them and then sniffing their hair. And then he kisses them on top of their heads! It grosses them out and makes them feel violated.

In the “me too” era, Joe has just been outed as a creepy old serial hair sniffer.

And who wants a creepy old hair sniffer as our president. Elizabeth Warren is now demanding that Joe explain himself. But how can he possibly explain his creepy behavior except by admitting that he is a creep?

Did you not see him doing just that in the rose garden back when he was VP. ?
He is a known uncle handsey from way back. His time has come and gone and the Dems. need to look elsewhere.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Sun 31 Mar 2019, 18:49:14

Biden does this with young girls too. I don't know if he is a pedo or not but it is somewhat creepy. Maybe it's his way of showing affection. Anyway, the more progressive and left candidates want him out of the race since he out polls all of them.

I'm thinking the hardest left candidate will be the nominee. Harris or Sanders if Biden is taken out or doesn't run.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 31 Mar 2019, 20:34:40

Perhaps but I would not be surprised to see the voters in the early primary states do the math on some of these proposals and weed out the most pie in the sky wing of the group. I see the average Dem. voter as being liberal not totally stupid
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 31 Mar 2019, 20:56:55

vtsnowedin wrote: I see the average Dem. voter as being liberal not totally stupid


Well, time will tell.

So far the polls show that Joe Biden the pervy hair sniffer is tops amoung Ds, with Bernie Sanders the elderly socialist coming in second, and everybody else pretty far back.

If Biden-the-perv gets knocked out due to his "me too" transgressions, then Beto-the-Kennedy-impersonator, Kamala-slept-her-way-to-the-top, and Elizabeth Warren-the-fake-Indian are hoping to pick up some of his support.

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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Sun 31 Mar 2019, 21:02:32

Biden will be 78 in 2020. Just not seeing this Democrat party going with the old white man. Doesn't check off enough victimhood boxes.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby dissident » Sun 31 Mar 2019, 22:45:41

Given the list of victimhood criteria, if they choose a black woman as a candidate, then she will be a shoe in.

Anyone who votes for Trump will be automatically a woman hater and a racist. We will have the shame filter vote in 2020.

Just to be clear, there is nothing wrong with having a black woman candidate. The problem is that all these Democrat (and many Republican) candidates are PC sock puppets who may as well be replaced by marionettes.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 31 Mar 2019, 23:11:12

dissident wrote:Given the list of victimhood criteria, if they choose a black woman as a candidate, then she will be a shoe in......Just to be clear, there is nothing wrong with having a black woman candidate. The problem is that all these Democrat (and many Republican) candidates are PC sock puppets who may as well be replaced by marionettes.


The black woman lane belongs to Kamala Harris.

Corey Booker gets the black man lane.

Elizabeth Warren was set to run in the Indian woman lane until it came out she wasn't actually an Indian. She still claims to be a woman, but I'd like to see the DNA on that one.

Beto is pretending to be in the Hispanic lane, but he's a wealthy white male.

Julian Castro really is Hispanic, but nobody cares.

Pete Butigieg is in the gay lane.

There's even a guy in the Asian lane.

And Joe Biden has now been moved to the creepy pervy old white guy lane.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 01 Apr 2019, 03:23:21

I throw out all that will be 70 plus on election day. That clears Bernie, Biden and Warren. All of the younger set have some major flaw already showing or are one issue candidates with the possible exception of Hickenlooper from Colorado. I don't see any of the women presently announced being a winner, at least not in the final election.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Mon 01 Apr 2019, 04:44:21

Time for Hillary Clinton to save the party.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 01 Apr 2019, 05:08:13

Hillary doesn't pass the under 70 test among about a hundred other things. :razz:
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Mon 01 Apr 2019, 06:45:33

What the Dems need is a black muslim transgendered woman. Four victimhood checkmarks. Basically a person who could never be criticized without being called racist, islamaphoic, trans-phobic, or sexist.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 01 Apr 2019, 08:21:40

Cog wrote:What the Dems need is a black muslim transgendered woman. Four victimhood checkmarks. Basically a person who could never be criticized without being called racist, islamaphoic, trans-phobic, or sexist.

The qualified candidate pool under that set of conditions is awfully small. Could you find one in politics with skills enough to win a debate?
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 01 Apr 2019, 08:42:50

Are you looking for a used to be man that is now identified woman or a used to be woman that now identifies male or would either one do? :)
Lets see now: There are 166.2 million women in the country and 1.1 percent of the population is Muslim so we have 1.83 million Muslim women and one fifth of Muslims in America are black so we have 365,640 black Muslim women and 0.58 percent of the population identifies as trans gender so we have a candidate pool of.....2121!!
Good luck with that.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Mon 01 Apr 2019, 11:30:57

Well with gender fluidity it could change daily. Don't be a genitalia judger. LOL

After former men, and now women, start winning every gold medal in the Olympics I wonder what the feminists are going to think about that.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 01 Apr 2019, 11:40:27

vtsnowedin wrote: Lets see now: There are 166.2 million women in the country and 1.1 percent of the population is Muslim so we have 1.83 million Muslim women and one fifth of Muslims in America are black so we have 365,640 black Muslim women and 0.58 percent of the population identifies as trans gender so we have a candidate pool of.....2121!!


The question the Ds are wrestling with is not whether they will nominate a mythical female muslim transgender candidate, but whether or not to nominate the all-too-real boring-sexist-pig white males like Biden who are in the running.

Many in the Ds party feel its time for them to move beyond the white male candidate pool. It remains to be seen if the Hispanics in the D party can be convinced to throw their support behind a black candidate, say, if the Hispanic candidate loses, or whether or not a fake Hispanic like Beto will be enough to win over the real Hispanics.

When you add up diversity points, the leader is probably Kamala Harris who is part black and female and therefore a "twofer." But Kamala is intensely disliked by some druggies and some blacks because as California's AG she aggressively prosecuted marijuana offenders, which now is a no-no. Also some feminists don't trust Kamala because, as a young attorney, she got help moving up the political ladder by sleeping with a powerful D politician.

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