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THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 17 Feb 2019, 20:00:06

Its Valentine's Day today and Nancy Pelosi just wished everyone a happy Thanksgiving

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And the Ds elected this poor, sad, confused and senile old woman who doesn't even know what day it is as their leader.

God help us all.

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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Tue 19 Feb 2019, 07:06:02

Ok now it's a party. Bernie sanders has entered the 2020 presidential race. Going to need a bigger stage for the debates.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Tue 19 Feb 2019, 23:57:10

Ok now it's a party. Bernie sanders has entered the 2020 presidential race. Going to need a bigger stage for the debates.


It will be interesting to watch them all try to out "leftist/socialist" each other. For some strange reason, they think the entire American populace is OK with the government coming after their money and redistributing it to the lazy. Or that just letting anyone into the country without any controls is somehow going to be good for the economy. Go figure.

I'm waiting for the moment where the left-leaning Democrats finally figure out that those Republican right-wing horrible people whose money they want to take away and redistribute to themselves all have guns and they don't. :) Can you spell "epiphany"?
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Wed 20 Feb 2019, 06:21:34

They view us in flyover land as uncultured rubes, deplorable and irredeemable, who do not appreciate the finer points of socialism.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby evilgenius » Wed 20 Feb 2019, 12:06:43

Why such a cult of victimization? They aren't coming after you. They are trying to figure out what to do. I get the fundamental difference over winning as an individual versus being part of a team. The problem that criticisms of, wait until they find out how far they can't push us, have, though, is that those who issue them are part of the individualistic crowd. As such, you have about as much chance of winning that kind of argument as those people in the 70's did when they sought to encourage consumer boycotts. Those fell apart rather quickly because consumers have no natural basis for organization. Until you admit that your position as individual winners is one that doesn't really care about the welfare of the losers, you won't get anywhere. Jesus talked about this same thing when he spoke about the rich man who was very successful, but all he wanted to do with it was build bigger barns so that he could stretch out his gains farther for his own leisure. It's in the realization that winning has responsibility that comes along with it that you may discover how to talk to the rising hard left of the Democratic Party. You shouldn't let it wait until you find yourself at a loss to discover it. You should be able to reason it out, the reality of what losing really means beyond just you, and find the language. Because talking about how dangerous you are is only talking about how you would all get picked off, one by one. Yeah, sure, you likely would take some of them with you, but what kind of victory is that?
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Wed 20 Feb 2019, 12:24:50

I do not want to talk to the hard left. I want them destroyed. Politically if I can. Physically if necessary to preserve the Republic. The Socialist and Communists are an existential threat to the United States and deserve to be treated as a domestic enemy.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 20 Feb 2019, 12:25:30

Kamala's dad is mad at her because she is spreading the racial stereotype that Jamaicans are lazy and just smoke pot all day.

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You'd think Kamala would be proud of her Jamaican heritage in this modern era when people everywhere accept and love their ethnic heritage. But Harris is an elitist, and apparently she sees some kind of political advantage in portraying her Dad and other Jamaicans as pot smoking layabouts. Of course, in reality, her Dad is a retired Stanford economics professor. If Kamala was honest she would be talking about Jamaican black men who worked hard and succeeded in America----but Kamala wants to pretend that the American system is racist and black men don't have chance.

Its sad, really, the way this woman is lying about her own family and her own past to the point that her own father denounced her.

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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Wed 20 Feb 2019, 12:40:33

"Heels up" Harris has relied on her race and sex to get to where she is now. She offers nothing. Her father is right to condemn her bad behavior.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby lpetrich » Wed 20 Feb 2019, 21:34:25

rockdoc123 wrote:
Ok now it's a party. Bernie sanders has entered the 2020 presidential race. Going to need a bigger stage for the debates.

It will be interesting to watch them all try to out "leftist/socialist" each other. For some strange reason, they think the entire American populace is OK with the government coming after their money and redistributing it to the lazy.

That's just so *Marxist*. Karl Marx proposed that society is divided into classes of makers and takers, or in Marxist jargon, proletariat and bourgeoisie. The Right often agrees with him very strongly that there are such classes, even if they have different identifications of who is the makers and who is the takers.

Or that just letting anyone into the country without any controls is somehow going to be good for the economy.

A less-government position.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 20 Feb 2019, 22:00:40

lpetrich wrote:Karl Marx proposed that society is divided into classes of makers and takers, or in Marxist jargon, proletariat and bourgeoisie.


Its sad that so many people take Marx seriously, considering how disastrous his economic ideas have turned out to be when put into practice.

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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby evilgenius » Thu 21 Feb 2019, 03:12:20

Cog wrote:I do not want to talk to the hard left. I want them destroyed. Politically if I can. Physically if necessary to preserve the Republic. The Socialist and Communists are an existential threat to the United States and deserve to be treated as a domestic enemy.

You, you, you. What is the republic if it can't meet these people's needs? I didn't say wants. I said, needs.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Thu 21 Feb 2019, 03:56:49

I am responsible for meeting my needs. I am not responsible for meeting your needs. Go forth and do good things for yourself and family and I will cheer you on. Attempt to confiscate my wealth to serve your needs and we have a problem.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 21 Feb 2019, 06:44:15

Cog,

Do you drive? Then you pay taxes for the roads. Because they are a “natural monopoly.” That’s not Socialisim.

What about power companies? Should they be nationalized? One could make a very good argument so because the current owners are running them down, not maintaining the infrastructure. And because you absolutely can not allow them to fail or go bankrupt. So the Owners can strip profits from the company that the public will eventually have to repay, there is no other solution. Maybe we should runnthe poser companies like our state highways?

That’s not Socialisim, it’s reality.

Once you get away from jingoism and start really thinking about the way things work best then you can apply some logic. Look for the best solution, and forget dogma.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 21 Feb 2019, 10:05:42

Newfie wrote:Cog,

Do you drive? Then you pay taxes for the roads. Because they are a “natural monopoly.” That’s not Socialisim.

What about power companies? Should they be nationalized? One could make a very good argument so because the current owners are running them down, not maintaining the infrastructure. And because you absolutely can not allow them to fail or go bankrupt. So the Owners can strip profits from the company that the public will eventually have to repay, there is no other solution. Maybe we should runnthe poser companies like our state highways?

That’s not Socialisim, it’s reality.

Once you get away from jingoism and start really thinking about the way things work best then you can apply some logic. Look for the best solution, and forget dogma.

I don't know what the national average is but my local electric utilities are doing a lot of maintenance and upgrades at present. It amounts to millions of dollars in my town alone. They are regulated but not managed by the government. It ain't broke so don't fix it.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 21 Feb 2019, 11:56:06

VT,

Some are broke, look at California. Others are not far behind. What happens in your town is not indicative of what is happening on a national scale, mostly with the grid and generation.

Mind you I’m not saying we must nationalize the power companies, I’m saying they are not reinvesting in the national grid and the problem needs to be addressed.

And the way you address the power problem should be similar to the way you address higher education and health care. Forget the political wrangling and name calling, what works?
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 21 Feb 2019, 16:51:51

Newfie wrote:VT,

Some are broke, look at California. Others are not far behind. What happens in your town is not indicative of what is happening on a national scale, mostly with the grid and generation.

Mind you I’m not saying we must nationalize the power companies, I’m saying they are not reinvesting in the national grid and the problem needs to be addressed.

And the way you address the power problem should be similar to the way you address higher education and health care. Forget the political wrangling and name calling, what works?

Not having the facts in hand I can only guess that the situation in California is as bad as it is due to things the government of California has decreed that the utilities do. What happens in my town is indicative of the entire state of Vermont and even though we are now a blue state the pay your bills conservative thinking still runs through much of state government (and the voters thinking) so we have taken a proactive approach to grid integrity. A few bad storms and extended power outages tends to focus your attention to the real weaknesses in your system and our utility managers are making good progress in needed upgrades.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Thu 21 Feb 2019, 18:08:45

Speaking as a resident, the problem with California's power companies is government meddling. They are being forced to do unprofitable things like to accept every Tom, Dick, and Harry who wants his solar panels or wind turbine on the grid, and to pay retail rates for such power (i.e. "net metering"). Then the investment community downgrades their bonds because they are less profitable than in other states without "Green Dreams".

That is PG&E's problem. They use a gas main way past the design life until it explodes and burns an Oakland neighborhood. They neglect to pave the overflow channel of the Oroville dam, risking dam failure. They neglect to trim trees around power lines, sparking wildfires. All this is happening because private investors expect profitability to match power companies not so burdened by Green legislation. So PG&E cuts back maintenance to increase profits, putting people at risk.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 21 Feb 2019, 18:31:23

I thought as much.
Spending as much time on the internet as I do I get a glimpse of what is going on in other regions but of course it is not uniform in depth or accuracy. Some major problem might exist un-noticed for years until the dam breaks etc. And of course information about how people are actually solving problems successfully is hard to come by as "it didn't bleed it doesn't lead" rule still applies in every news room in America.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 01 Mar 2019, 07:39:05

This one peed me off. Trying to make it illegal to report attempted gun purchase to ICE.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ocasio ... -on-a-list

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... story.html
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Fri 01 Mar 2019, 07:54:10

Newfie wrote:This one peed me off. Trying to make it illegal to report attempted gun purchase to ICE.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ocasio ... -on-a-list

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... story.html

What tics me off about that is that it is not already standard practice by every jurisdiction in the country.
Well the Washington post wanting me to pay to read their version tics me off too but not as much. :P
Another freshman misstep by AOC attacking moderates on an issue so basic as law and order.
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