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Re: Degrowth Thread

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 17 Aug 2019, 19:58:11

I’ve recently read a couple of books that talked about the power of myth, or abstraction if you like. One theory is that it is the ability to believe in these myths that has allowed us to develop groupings larger than a tribe. May be something to that.

Some thing that learning agriculture put us on this bad patch, others say mastering fire, or language. Myths are another of those theories.
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Re: Degrowth Thread

Unread postby onlooker » Sat 17 Aug 2019, 21:01:56

Newfie wrote:I’ve recently read a couple of books that talked about the power of myth, or abstraction if you like. One theory is that it is the ability to believe in these myths that has allowed us to develop groupings larger than a tribe. May be something to that.

Some thing that learning agriculture put us on this bad patch, others say mastering fire, or language. Myths are another of those theories.

Yes certainly we have a tendency to follow group think and thus blend in. Herd mentality
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Re: Degrowth Thread

Unread postby Ibon » Sat 17 Aug 2019, 21:10:50

Myths tie a society together in a common belief system, they can be irrational even and can persist for long periods as long as they are benign to ecological principals. If they contradict ecological principals they are doomed. Period.
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Re: Degrowth Thread

Unread postby EdwinSm » Sun 18 Aug 2019, 12:03:33

The economic playbook is being rewritten with the idea of negative interest. Here in Finland one of the major local banks is talking about charging customers interest to have money in a savings account, and we had to close my wife's saving accounts because her balance was too low attracting monthly fees.

I am sure that negative interest rates can give a good economic base to degrowth!
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Re: Degrowth Thread

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 19 Aug 2019, 06:58:05

Ed,

That’s really interesting. Lots of ramifications. I don’t think the economists can conceive of an sustainable economy. It would surely require major modifications to our culture.

Doable?
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Re: Degrowth Thread

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 11 Sep 2019, 06:48:39

Came across this clip last night. Powerful stuff.

https://youtu.be/dedzkxCQOag

It’s from Jimmy Carters lCrisis of Confidence” speech. As a young man I did not listen to this speech, or if I did I did not HEAR the message. Or maybe I did take delivery of the message and just forgot where I first heard it.

Full text here. It extremely interesting to look back upon.

https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speech ... idence.htm
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Re: Degrowth Thread

Unread postby Ibon » Wed 11 Sep 2019, 12:03:54

Newfie wrote:Came across this clip last night. Powerful stuff.

https://youtu.be/dedzkxCQOag

It’s from Jimmy Carters lCrisis of Confidence” speech. As a young man I did not listen to this speech, or if I did I did not HEAR the message. Or maybe I did take delivery of the message and just forgot where I first heard it.

Full text here. It extremely interesting to look back upon.

https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speech ... idence.htm


Wow. Indeed. That famous line about what did the Eastern Islanders think when they cut the last tree. One day historians will look over these archives and wonder....." They actually knew what was going on, they made speeches decades before. How could they have been so twisted to do absolutely nothing about it"
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