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Re: Self annihilation of West by embracement of barbarism

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 24 Oct 2018, 08:45:41

Newfie wrote:Why they are coming is of little importance. The questions are: do we wish to allow them in? How many? For how long? Do we give them citizenship? Do we feed and pay them? For how long?

And bigger yet: How many people do we want in the USA? Do we want more or less people? How soon do we want to hit that number? How many, if any, additional kids do we want from existing children?

And why don’t we discuss this intelligently?


Worse, if you allow this 'caravan' of the 'oppressed' to freely enter than how do you say no to the next one, and the one after that and after that? Let this bunch in and you have declared an open border policy, make no mistake. The USA doesn't even pay its own bills and hasn't for a long time, we borrow money and when that falls short we quietly digitally create some more. So who pays? Everyone gets hit by the bite of inflation that comes from the tax/borrow/create and then spend+spend+spend strategy!
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Re: Self annihilation of West by embracement of barbarism

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Wed 24 Oct 2018, 09:04:45

@Tanada,
Yes, all what I am trying to show in this thread is that "open borders policy", based solely on compassion and not on merits whom to admit and how many of them, will surely lead to destruction of prospects of host nation, wide spread barbarism and cultural collapse.
Also barbaric civil wars once certain thresholds are crossed.

And AGW will ensure that pictures are not pretty.
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Re: Self annihilation of West by embracement of barbarism

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Wed 24 Oct 2018, 11:04:29

Now regarding science, IQ and politics and of course our lovely Sweeeeden:
https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/10/promi ... in-sweden/
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Re: Self annihilation of West by embracement of barbarism

Unread postby evilgenius » Wed 24 Oct 2018, 19:14:01

Perhaps a person ought to ask themselves far beyond IQ why democracy doesn't take root all over the world in such a manner that it does away with corruption? Could it simply be because the world economy is based upon a finite resource? The flow must go one way, toward the powers that were historically established when the post-colonial world was first forming. All of those little oil producing countries must not become like them, using their own oil in order to make something of themselves. The system of trade and the flow of money ensures that. It was put in place by the colonialists because they thought about as much of those peoples as EnergyUnlimited does. It's why, as the end of oil becomes something to think about, they are willing to eat one of their own. Look at how the US military is poised to make an eventual, decades off, move on the Russian oil fields. But what is that red headed baboon who got to the top of the dirt mound doing? Hasn't he started a process of collecting those who fear and hate the system, who don't understand it but can form conspiracy theories about it, and organizing them to his political advantage? There is a new thing rising up. It is a very different form of beast. It could be dangerous indeed.

We could wait for renewables to take the system down. That would be the peaceful way. Something tells me we are not going to go in that direction. Oh, there will be barbarism, but it won't be coming from all of those refugees.
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Re: Self annihilation of West by embracement of barbarism

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Wed 24 Oct 2018, 21:57:51

Well, if Trump campaigns on a white horse, I'm heading for the hills.
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Re: Self annihilation of West by embracement of barbarism

Unread postby evilgenius » Fri 26 Oct 2018, 11:59:14

KaiserJeep wrote:Well, if Trump campaigns on a white horse, I'm heading for the hills.

God, that's funny. I'm glad somebody is educated enough in things like that to catch the reference. Honestly, I do see a danger to the US from conspiracy land. It's, obviously, one that comes from its own citizens, as they follow their beliefs before what is before their eyes. I can see, along those same lines, cryptocurrency and block chain making a come back, even though the dollar is actively destroying those positions. Block chain, especially, aside from whether it is being used for money, is really good at keeping track of things. It would be entirely ironic if those who are most likely to say they are always watching out for 666 actually took something like it upon themselves out of a vague conspiratorial acceptance of it brought on by the cheering sections in their lives and the likes of Alex Jones.
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Re: Self annihilation of West by embracement of barbarism

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 26 Oct 2018, 14:21:43

Democracy has brought us a decision between Trump and Clinton.

Maybe the rest of the world is onto something.
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Re: Self annihilation of West by embracement of barbarism

Unread postby Cog » Fri 26 Oct 2018, 15:15:38

What rest of the world are you referring to?
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Re: Self annihilation of West by embracement of barbarism

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Fri 26 Oct 2018, 15:37:03

Meantime Germans are liquidating themselves:
https://fabiusmaximus.com/2018/10/24/ge ... es-itself/
Already 42% of children <6y.o. living in Western Germany are not of German background.
Deutschland kaput!
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Re: Self annihilation of West by embracement of barbarism

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 26 Oct 2018, 19:47:13

Cog wrote:What rest of the world are you referring to?


Evil genius wrote.
Perhaps a person ought to ask themselves far beyond IQ why democracy doesn't take root all over the world in such a manner that it does away with corruption?
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Re: Self annihilation of West by embracement of barbarism

Unread postby Cog » Fri 26 Oct 2018, 20:24:13

Because democracies always devolve into corruption where the politicians buy votes from the electorate, by giving them other people's money, which they seized by force. Which also explains why the USA doesn't have a democracy but a Republic. Its a corrupt Republic right now, but the system was designed to divide power so this would not happen.
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Re: Self annihilation of West by embracement of barbarism

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sat 27 Oct 2018, 01:58:14

Cog wrote:Because democracies always devolve into corruption where the politicians buy votes from the electorate, by giving them other people's money, which they seized by force. Which also explains why the USA doesn't have a democracy but a Republic. Its a corrupt Republic right now, but the system was designed to divide power so this would not happen.

IMO it is not a democracy or a republic.
Right now it is *2 packs of clowns and the same bankers scam*.
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Re: Self annihilation of West by embracement of barbarism

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 27 Oct 2018, 07:23:58

First I agree it is a corruption of the original intent. The Constitution IIRC is moot on political parties. Yet our government has devolved into a brawl between political parties.

I see the USA as very much like the USSR with a twist. The USSR was run by the party, the PolitBuro. It’s not so much it was a communist party but that is was a party of the politicaly ambitious. If the Dems prevail we will have the same situation here.

The counter balance is the Republican Party, which is a party of the politically ambitious. If they prevail we will have the same situation.

The government is consumed with these palace intrigues of the corrupt and ambitious. Each side is using the immigrant issue to further their own desires.

This is not governance, this is anarchy.

I’ve no idea how to fix this.
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Re: Self annihilation of West by embracement of barbarism

Unread postby Cog » Sat 27 Oct 2018, 09:34:43

As much as I wouldn't like the outcome, if the Dems take the House and the Republicans retain the Senate, that will force the two sides to work together.
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Re: Self annihilation of West by embracement of barbarism

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 27 Oct 2018, 10:09:21

One would hope. I wouldn’t be suprised if it didn’t.
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Re: Self annihilation of West by embracement of barbarism

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Sat 27 Oct 2018, 13:17:30

I personally like it when power is split between the two parties. They do less harm to personal freedoms that way.
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Re: Self annihilation of West by embracement of barbarism

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sat 27 Oct 2018, 14:48:02

KaiserJeep wrote:I personally like it when power is split between the two parties. They do less harm to personal freedoms that way.

Soon enough they will do no harm at all to your personal freedoms, as none will be left.
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Re: Self annihilation of West by embracement of barbarism

Unread postby evilgenius » Mon 29 Oct 2018, 18:05:47

Yeah, but what is freedom. Is it like anarchy, or does its real power rest upon what you can be like if you achieve to what you are capable of being? You'll never reach that under anarchy. Someone will always take it from you, and call it justice. Likewise, you won't get there under the system of extreme rules. It's obvious why. Those who have the gold make the rules.
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Re: Self annihilation of West by embracement of barbarism

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Wed 31 Oct 2018, 12:15:40

@evilgenious
The simplest and working approach here is freedom of one man ends when the freedom of another one begins.

Meantime there are further disturbing news coming from Germany:
One African migrant was raping everything as it goes: goats, women and sheep.
https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/10/migra ... n-germany/

In Sweeeeden is not much better.
One woman got raped by one of our beige friends and police have issued detailed description of the woman in hope to catch her rapist:
https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/10/rape- ... e-weekend/
Viva barbaria!
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