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President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 06 Nov 2018, 12:19:47

Well, it’s an opinion piece. I don’t see any real research here.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 08 Nov 2018, 21:34:42

vtsnowedin wrote:It is election day tomorrow which means I have to go down to the Town hall today and set up the voting booths then go down and help count the votes after the polls close tomorrow night. By the time I get home the polls will be closing on the West coast and we will know who won or lost. And in a day or two all those nauseous political ads will mercifully go away. :)
Well it turned into more then that. One of the regular poll workers had to take their 85+ mother to the hospital so I was called in to fill the gap and still had to help count the votes after the polls closed. A very long day for an old geezer used to having an afternoon nap. Of course my wife the town clerk and election official started before me and finished way after me and was as far as I could see right out straight for seventeen hours doing a very difficult and complicated task. They don't pay her anywhere near enough.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Tue 13 Nov 2018, 12:12:30

I wonder if this selection will rustle some jimmies. Lets hope so. She is a black woman so she does get double oppressed victim status with the left. So perhaps that will be enough to shield her from the environmentalists.

As a side note, the evil Monsanto has been bought out by Bayer. So no headaches.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... department

Donald Trump is nominating a former executive of agrochemical company Monsanto to run the US Fish and Wildlife Service.

Aurelia Skipwith has been the deputy assistant secretary of fish, wildlife and parks for the interior department since April 2017. She is a lawyer and was in research for six years at Monsanto, where she led a team that brought new agricultural products to market, and then was in corporate affairs, according to her self-reported work history.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

Unread postby lpetrich » Thu 15 Nov 2018, 06:39:06

I am currently marveling at what an ombrophobic Coward in Chief pResident Trump has been on the 100th anniversary of the ending of the Great War, a.k.a. World War I.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau noted that the soldiers who fought in the war did not just face rain, they faced bullets. I also note that "trench coat" comes from that kind of raincoat being made for WWI soldiers.

French President Emmanuel Macron was quite correct to slam nationalism. It was a nationalist who provoked the starting of the war, a big war that destroyed two major empires and produced major political upheavals in two others. Austria-Hungary: gone. The Ottoman Empire: gone. Russia: without its westernmost territories and with its Tsarist regime gone, with Communists now in power. Germany: without some eastern territories and with its Kaiser gone. Germany survived the best, but that was not very apparent from how butthurt some Germans got about their nation's defeat. Instead of recognizing that Germany's armies were about to collapse, they preferred to believe that Germany had been stabbed in the back by some traitors -- Dolchstoss.

President Trump could have talked about his predecessor Woodrow Wilson. Someone who first proclaimed that the US was "too proud to fight" in that war, and who later proclaimed that "the world must be made safe for democracy." But he apparently wanted some big military parade, and he didn't get one.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 15 Nov 2018, 13:30:27

lpetrich wrote:I am currently marveling at what an ombrophobic Coward in Chief pResident Trump has been on the 100th anniversary of the ending of the Great War, a.k.a. World War I.


ombrophobic....I had to look that one up. Bonus points for vocabulary.

However, I have to deduct even more points for your bizarrely false claim that Trump was too cowardly to go to an American cemetery in France in the rain to honor our war dead. At some point, reality has to be considered.

Here is a youtube video showing Trump giving his speech at the cemetery in the rain on Veterans Day, Nov. 11, 2018.

President Trump honors US war dead at American cemetery in France, Nov. 11, 2018

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lpetrich wrote:....a big war that destroyed two major empires and produced major political upheavals in two others. Austria-Hungary: gone. The Ottoman Empire: gone. Russia: without its westernmost territories and with its Tsarist regime gone, with Communists now in power. Germany: without some eastern territories and with its Kaiser gone. Germany survived the best....


Yes...and that was Woodrow Wilson's fault. Rather then demanding surrender from Germany, Wilson insisted the western powers sign an "armistice" with Germany. This weakness allowed Germany to turn to Hitler and rearm and start another war just 20 years later. Fortunately, the west wasn't stupid a second time, and after the second world war they occupied Germany and de-Nazified Germany and completely remade German institutions after WWII.

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President Trump could have talked about his predecessor Woodrow Wilson.


Again, Wilson isn't someone that Trump or anyone else should be honoring. Not only is Wilson personally responsible for the failed "peace" with Germany that quickly led to WWII, Wilson also was a southern D and a stone cold racist who resegregated federal jobs, squashed US dissent on the left, and presided over the greatest rise of strength of the Klu Klux Klan in the history of the USA.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

Unread postby lpetrich » Thu 15 Nov 2018, 15:23:23

Donald Trump did get to meet his fellow leaders in Paris. Vladimir Putin was there, and he gave DT a thumbs up. DT smiled.

Such a contrast with Barack Obama and Angela Merkel being good friends. In pictures: Obama-Merkel relationship - BBC News
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 15 Nov 2018, 15:59:23

lpetrich wrote:Such a contrast with Barack Obama and Angela Merkel being good friends.


You are very funny.

You must have missed the news when Obama was caught eavesdropping on Merkel's personal phone calls to her husband and her family, followed by revelations Obama was spying on foreign leaders in other countries as well.

Merkel didn't feel quite so friendly towards Obama when it came out that not only was Obama spying on everything the German government did, Obama also personally authorized bugging Merkel's personal phone. What a creep....why bug her personal phone?? Was Obama looking for blackmail info on Merkel or what?

President Barack Obama ... it was claimed he personally authorised the monitoring of Angela Merkel’s phone.....The president allegedly allowed US intelligence to listen to calls from the German Chancellor’s mobile phone after he was briefed on the operation by Keith Alexander, director of the National Security Agency (NSA), in 2010......Mr Obama’s European allies will now ask him to say what he personally knew about the NSA’s global eavesdropping operation and its targeting of world leaders, including those from friendly states. The White House declined to comment on the German media reports.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 15 Nov 2018, 17:03:26

As I recall Merkel went ballistic over that “This isn’t the way friends great friends.” The Germans opens an “investigation” of the matter but quietly dropped it a few years later when tempers had cooled.

And I believe it wasn’t just Merkel but France and the UK as well, but the reporting was squashed.

So, yes, Obama was very polite in public and made nice speeches. But was a liar and backstabbed.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sun 18 Nov 2018, 20:26:10

Trump says, had California raked up the leaves in the forests, they wouldn't have had the fires. :lol:
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 18 Nov 2018, 21:40:04

Trump is inarticulate, as usual, but he's got a point that Finland's forest management practices have been successful at almost eliminating forest fires.

finland-has-a-problem-with-too-few-forest-fires

Finland doesn't "rake" their forests but they do manage the forests intensively, including extensive use of firebreaks to stop fires from spreading rapidly as has happened and caused disaster repeatedly in California over the last few years.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Mon 19 Nov 2018, 10:05:04

Comparing apples to oranges.

There is a dense forest road network of up to 120,000 kilometres in Finland, constructed for the use of forestry and cottage owners. The road network makes remote areas more accessible to firefighters, but it also slows down the spreading of fires.

Another major factor preventing forest fires is the fragmented forest ownership in Finland. Owing to this, the average size of forest compartments is only 2 to 3 hectares, and forest management plans are based on the specific growing conditions of each of them. That means, for example, that a fire cannot spread as a fast-moving treetop fire when it reaches a clear-cut area or a thinned compartment. The spread of fire is also prevented by the numerous lakes, rivers and wetlands.


Add to that, there have been far fewer fires at higher latitudes.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 19 Nov 2018, 11:21:11

Yes Trump is not an articulate person. And folks jump all over him when he is not very careful with his words, which is frequent. When I heard the entire quote it made sense to me. CC is only a small part of this particular problem and we don’t manage forest correctly.

My gripe with him on this was he did not talk about idiotic DEVELOPMENT.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

Unread postby Ibon » Mon 19 Nov 2018, 12:01:29

Newfie wrote:
My gripe with him on this was he did not talk about idiotic DEVELOPMENT.


What? You mean the guy who builds golf courses and casinos is going to critisize the exurbs built into the foothills of the Sierras?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 19 Nov 2018, 12:20:18

Cid_Yama wrote:
There is a dense forest road network of up to 120,000 kilometres in Finland, constructed for the use of forestry and cottage owners. The road network makes remote areas more accessible to firefighters, but it also slows down the spreading of fires.

Another major factor preventing forest fires is the fragmented forest ownership in Finland. Owing to this, the average size of forest compartments is only 2 to 3 hectares, and forest management plans are based on the specific growing conditions of each of them. That means, for example, that a fire cannot spread as a fast-moving treetop fire when it reaches a clear-cut area or a thinned compartment. The spread of fire is also prevented by the numerous lakes, rivers and wetlands.


If thats what it takes to prevent these deadly forest fires, then maybe we should consider it.

There are millions and millions of dead trees in the forests of the Sierra Nevada, Cascades and the Coast Range, killed by heat and drought, and the USFS, BLM and the NPS have failed utterly to clear them. I did a trip down there about 2 years ago, and I was really shocked at the extent of the tree kill. I saw huge swaths of dead trees everywhere from Yosemite to Kings Canyon NPS. Of course there are huge, unprecendented forest fires----climate change is crating huge, unprecedented areas of dead trees that become super-dry kindling for fires.

There is no reason why the US couldn't sell off the forests in California to private landowners, and divide our forests into small parcels separated by roads just as the Finns have done.

Its thats what it takes to prevent these deadly forest fires, then IMHO we should consider it. What we are doing now isn't working. The climate is changing and we're going to have to change what we're doing as well.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Mon 19 Nov 2018, 14:20:49

Plantagenet wrote:There is no reason why the US couldn't sell off the forests in California to private landowners, and divide our forests into small parcels separated by roads just as the Finns have done.

Its thats what it takes to prevent these deadly forest fires, then IMHO we should consider it. What we are doing now isn't working. The climate is changing and we're going to have to change what we're doing as well.

Although that would almost certainly help prevent huge uncontrolled fires, it sound like it would lead to a loss of a LOT of natural forest area, just due to all the roads. And unless you sell the areas CHEAP, with serious use restrictions, wouldn't a LOT of those parcels be converted to other use, or at least end up not being old growth forest, as the lumber is harvested (and replaced with rapid growth trees to be harvested ASAP to maximize future profits?)

Helping the fire situation by reducing the amount of natural forested area by huge amounts doesn't sound like a net gain for the climate in coming decades, to me.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 19 Nov 2018, 19:14:49

My murky understanding of forests in Germany is they are largely state owned or at least under state oversight. Some kind of beetle got into them an killed a bunch so they cut out the deadwood. You could see it stacked at aggregation sites where they had water sprinklers keeping it wet to kill the beetles or something.

I don’t know about the wisdom of breaking up parcels into small holdings. Where my land is in Nova Scotia, I think the origional plots were about 1,200 feet wide across the peninsula or about a mile long. When the old man died each boy got a share, so some plots are only 120’ wide and a mile long. Mostly used as wood plots for heat. Doesn’t seem to do much otherwise.

It breaking up large extents of land would also play additional havoc with many species.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 19 Nov 2018, 19:58:10

Outcast_Searcher wrote:Although that would almost certainly help prevent huge uncontrolled fires, it sound like it would lead to a loss of a LOT of natural forest area, just due to all the roads. .
Do the math. A fifty foot wide road cut (fire break)down the side of a square mile block of forest would use up just six acres of the blocks 640 acres. The benefits far outweigh the loss. And forest roads are no impediment to species migration as they are unpaved and have very low traffic volumes on them.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 20 Nov 2018, 09:23:40

I doubt a 50’ break would do much good once a fire has topped out.

BUT this thread is about Trump. Trump is right that our management technichs need import emend. But he is wrong to ignore improper development and it’s role in this fire fiasco.

It’s like building in a flood plain and being shocked when a flood happens.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 20 Nov 2018, 09:28:24

Newfie wrote:I doubt a 50’ break would do much good once a fire has topped out.

A topped out fire in a softwood stand is an awesome thing. The road would mostly let firemen get mean and equipment out ahead of the fire, and fight fires before they top out.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 20 Nov 2018, 09:48:34

We used to have some really bad forest fires in South NJ. What you report is what I saw.

BTW has anyone here read 2 Hears Befor the Mast? It does a good job of describing pregold rush SoCal. Not very many people there then. Probably the way it should have remained.
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