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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby careinke » Sun 30 Sep 2018, 00:55:27

lpetrich wrote:In his recent UN speech, he claimed that his administration has done more than just about any other one in history. That got a huge laugh from the people there, and IMO he deserved it.

I can list several presidents who did a LOT more than he did -- even in their first two years of their presidency.


Please do, with corroborating links please.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby lpetrich » Wed 03 Oct 2018, 05:27:23

careinke wrote:
lpetrich wrote:I can list several presidents who did a LOT more than he did -- even in their first two years of their presidency.

Please do, with corroborating links please.

There are oodles of sources on the better-known of the US Presidents, so I'll confine myself to Wikipedia. I'll start with this: Historical rankings of presidents of the United States - Wikipedia

George Washington. He suppressed the Whiskey Rebellion, a tax revolt in western Pennsylvania. He also established the style of the presidency, eschewing any titles fancier than "Mister President". In his farewell address, he warned against deficit spending, foreign entanglements, and factionalism, and he even stated that it may sometimes be necessary to raise taxes, however unpleasant those taxes might be to some people.

John Adams. Resolving an undeclared naval quasi-war with France.

Thomas Jefferson. He did some gunboat diplomacy in North Africa, and he did the Louisiana Purchase, expanding the US's land area by a factor of two.

James Madison. He led the US side in the War of 1812, and he concluded that the US needed a stronger national government, including a stronger military and a national bank.

James Monroe. He extended the US's reach to the Pacific Ocean, he annexed Florida, and he supported free black people going back to Africa and founding colonies there, like what became Liberia. That nation's capital is named after him in his honor. He also pushed the Monroe Doctrine, pledging to protect Latin America from outside intervention.

Andrew Jackson. He had a populist political style, reaching out to ordinary people, and even letting a lot of ordinary people into the White House for his inauguration. When South Carolina threatened to secede over some tariffs, he threatened military force and successfully stared down that state. He also destroyed a major bank, the Second Bank of the United States, and he deported Native Americans from the southeastern states.

James Polk. He negotiated division of the Pacific Northwest between the US and Britain, he annexed the then-independent Republic of Texas, and he acquired the rest of former northern Mexico in a war. The contiguous US got to most of its present size in his presidency.

Abraham Lincoln. He led the US in the Civil War, leading the North against the South. He also supported the Homestead Act, giving away a lot of western land to ordinary people, he supported land-grant colleges, colleges financed by gifts of land, and he supported the construction of the Transcontinental Railroad from Omaha NE to Oakland CA. To finance the Civil War, he raised taxes, including levying the first national income tax, and he expanded the scope and power of the Federal Government. Despite being initially willing to compromise with slaveowners, he ended up decreeing that hostile slaveowners' slaves were no longer their property.

William McKinley. He put tariffs on imports to protect US industries and he defeated Spain in the Spanish-American War, acquiring Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines. He also annexed Hawaii.

Theodore Roosevelt. He broke up large monopolies and he regulated the railroads and established food-safety standards. He also established national parks, national forests, and national monuments, and he started work on the Panama Canal. He also did a naval buildup, sending a fleet on a world tour to show off US naval power.

Woodrow Wilson. He revived the income tax and he created the Federal Reserve system. After keeping the US out of the Great War (World War I) for a few years, he got the US into that war, and he proposed some idealistic "Fourteen Points" to settle it. However, he was not successful in getting the US to join the League of Nations, formed at the end of that war.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt. He pushed a lot of New Deal stuff, like Social Security, the Securities and Exchange Commission, federal insurance of bank deposits, and his Works Progress Administration, which put some 3 million people to work on various projects. In World War II, he had a Lend-Lease program of aid to Britain and China, though the America Firsters considered him a dangerous warmonger. After Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, he directed an all-out mobilization to fight the Axis powers.

Harry Truman. He ordered the dropping of nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, ending World War II. He then helped found the United Nations and organize NATO against the Soviet Bloc, and he authorized the Marshall Plan for rebuilding Western Europe. He also ordered the desegregation of the military and government agencies, and he got the US involved in the Korean War.

Dwight Eisenhower. Inspired by Nazi Germany's autobahns, he ordered the building of the Interstate highway system. He also ended the Korean War, though he ordered a lot of meddling in other nations. He ordered some civil-rights efforts, and when the Russians launched Sputnik, he created NASA.

John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Though the Bay of Pigs invasion was a major flub, he successfully stared down the Soviet Union in the Cuban Missile Crisis, despite risking World War III. He also started the Apollo program for landing astronauts on the Moon.

Lyndon Baines Johnson. He greatly increased US involvement in the Vietnam War, and he pushed Medicare, civil-rights efforts, and other "Great Society" stuff.

Richard Nixon. He continued the Vietnam War, expanding it into Laos and Cambodia, before pulling out of it. He also did such things as reach out to Communist China and to found the Environmental Protection Agency. His presidency was brought down from him trying to cover up the misdeeds of his henchmen in the Watergate scandal.

Gerald Ford. He pardoned Richard Nixon, his former president.

Jimmy Carter. He pardoned Vietnam-War draft evaders.

George Bush I. He led the US part of the Gulf War to retake Kuwait, and he started NAFTA.

George Bush II. After the September 11, 2001 attacks, he invaded Afghanistan, and then Iraq.

Barack Obama. He got "Obamacare" passed, a major medical-insurance reform.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 03 Oct 2018, 09:13:18

I must point out that first, many of these 'accomplishments' did not take place in the first 24 months the various leaders were President and second, many of them are dubious claims at best.

Jimmy Carter pardoning draft evaders is considered a major accomplishment in what world exactly?

George Bush I organized the international invasion of Kuwait, sure, but that was in the LAST two years he was in office, not the first two.

George Bush II the invasion of Iraq did not take place until March 2003, 26 months after he had been in sworn into office.

Gerald Ford, as much as I loved the guy pardoning Nixon was one discrete act with little long term effect (IMO) other than possibly costing him a second term.

Richard Nixon, real accomplishments in his first two years include starting the SALT I treaty talks with the USSR and signing the nuclear nonproliferation treaty and encouraging over a hundred other nations to sign it as well. He also created the EPA and ordered all federal facilities to comply with environmental pollution regulations that they had always been exempt from for expense reasons.

Quickly scanning further back you talk about FDR in WW II which did not even start until he had already been in office nearly 10 years. You are trying to convince people President Trump did nothing his first 20 months in office means you can't use 10 years in office as part of your track record of claims. Similarly with Woodrow Wilson, you point to the Federal Reserve and Income Tax as accomplishments and then immediately warp into World War I into which he dragged the USA five years after first being elected President, not within the first 20 months of office.

So try again or admit you got almost nothing. Nobody expects everyone to love the current President, but when you make grand claims about any President you need to back them up. I noticed for example you completely skipped over President Clinton for some reason ignoring things like the slashing of the DOD budget and withdrawal of American support for the UN mission to Somalia. Or the raid on the Branch Davidian's that lead to the fire and death of many children. Also the involvement in Bosnia/former Yugoslavia dates from the first few months of his Presidency and involves lots of shooting and airstrikes by the military, how did you miss that?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Wed 03 Oct 2018, 20:00:23

Tanada!
I'll nitpick your post on one point. Gerald Ford never had a full term as President. He filled out Nixon's second term and then lost to Jimmy Carter. He was President for just 895 days. I think he would have been a great President if given enough time and he actually did pretty well considering the mess he was thrown into.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby lpetrich » Thu 04 Oct 2018, 19:20:59

I'll stick to the first two years of each one's presidency.

Thomas Jefferson. He sent a military expedition to the Barbary Coast of North Africa, defeating Tripoli pasha Yusuf Karamanli and his pirates.

James Monroe. He settled some boundaries with Britain in what's now the northern and northwestern US, extending the US's reach to the Pacific Ocean.

Andrew Jackson. At his first inauguration, he invited his supporters into the White House, where they had a very raucous party. As a result of his populism, some of his opponents called him "King Mob". By his second year as president, he started the process of deporting the American Indians who lived in the southeast, buying new land for them further west with the condition that they either move there or relinquish their sovereignty.

James Polk. He negotiated division of the Pacific Northwest between the US and Britain, he annexed the then-independent Republic of Texas, and started a war with Mexico.

Abraham Lincoln. He led the US in the Civil War, leading the North against the South. He also supported the Homestead Act, giving away a lot of western land to ordinary people, he supported land-grant colleges, colleges financed by gifts of land, and he supported the construction of the Transcontinental Railroad from Omaha NE to Oakland CA. To finance the Civil War, he raised taxes, including levying the first national income tax, and supported a system of national banks.

William McKinley. He put tariffs on imports to protect US industries and he defeated Spain in the Spanish-American War, acquiring Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines. He also annexed Hawaii.

Woodrow Wilson. He revived the income tax.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt. He started some New Deal stuff, like the Civilian Conservation Corps.

Harry Truman. He ordered the dropping of nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, ending World War II. He then helped start the United Nations.

Dwight Eisenhower. He helped end the Korean War.

John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Though the Bay of Pigs invasion was a major flub, he successfully stared down the Soviet Union in the Cuban Missile Crisis, despite risking World War III. He also started the Apollo program for landing astronauts on the Moon.

Lyndon Baines Johnson. He pushed some civil-rights efforts, even if it risked making the South go Republican, as he allegedly stated.

Richard Nixon. He continued the Vietnam War, ordering massive secret bombings of North Vietnamese positions in Cambodia.

Gerald Ford. He pardoned Richard Nixon, his former president.

Jimmy Carter. He pardoned Vietnam-War draft evaders.

George Bush II. After the September 11, 2001 attacks, he ordered the invasion of Afghanistan.

Barack Obama. He got "Obamacare" passed, a major medical-insurance reform.


Compared to them, pResident Trump is an absolute chump, and IMO, he is one of the worst presidents ever. He combines the bigotry of Andrew Jackson, the vindictiveness of Richard Nixon, and the dumbness of George Bush II. He deserved to have the 25th Amendment invoked on him long ago. What Omarosa Manigault-Newman, Bob Woodward, and that anonymous NYT op-ed writer all say about him is completely consistent with what we have seen of him in public.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby Cog » Thu 04 Oct 2018, 21:40:17

Do you have medical evidence that the president in incapacitated? Somehow I don't think your dislike of Trump will be quite enough. Its only six more years. Just think how much fun we will have here talking about Trump. :lol:
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby lpetrich » Fri 05 Oct 2018, 01:51:22

Cog, what would you consider acceptable evidence?

Psychiatrist: Trump admin officials contacted me because president was ‘scaring’ them | TheHill
Officials from the Trump administration reportedly contacted a Yale University psychiatrist last year because President Trump was "scaring" them.

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"[They] said that Trump was 'scaring' them, that he was 'unraveling,'" Lee, who wrote the book "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President,” told Salon.

From the NYT op-ed:
"The root of the problem is the president’s amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making," the official wrote, adding that aides work around Trump to make sure his desires are not enforced.

From Bob Woodward's book:
For example, former top economic adviser Gary Cohn is reported to have removed paperwork, unnoticed, from Trump’s desk that the president intended to sign to withdraw the United States from trade agreements.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby Cog » Fri 05 Oct 2018, 05:35:19

You can not diagnose mental illness without extensive patient contact. It violates the Canon of ethics of the psychiatric community. Not that I expect ethics from your side. Accept the fact you lost an election. We dealt with the reality of Obama for eight years. You can do the same. Or not. Don't care really.

I'm little surprised that the American left want to weaponize psychiatrists to go after political opponents. The Soviet Union imprisoned dissidents using the same tactic.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby lpetrich » Fri 05 Oct 2018, 06:12:28

Cog wrote:You can not diagnose mental illness without extensive patient contact. It violates the Canon of ethics of the psychiatric community.

So one is mentally healthy as long as one can keep the psychiatrists away?

Not that I expect ethics from your side. Accept the fact you lost an election. We dealt with the reality of Obama for eight years.

By obstructing him and by believing in birtherism and similar things. Also by ignoring the Republican heritage of Obamacare, portraying it as an evil socialist plot against all that is good, presumably by stationing a soldier in every doctor's office. It started out with the Heritage Foundation in 1988, or if one wants to look very far back, with German Chancellor Otto von Bismarck in the late 19th century. John Chafee proposed a version of it in 1993 as an alternative to Clintoncare, and in 2006, Mitt Romney enacted another version of it in Massachusetts. In a USA Today op-ed, he advocated it to Obama (Mitt Romney's Advice For ObamaCare: Look At RomneyCare). So we have a lineage: Bismarckcare - Heritagecare - Chafeecare - Romneycare - Obamacare.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby Cog » Fri 05 Oct 2018, 06:21:30

If you are trumatized and in deep mental pain, as most of the left is nowadays, perhaps you should seek some therapy. For the rest of us red staters, we could not be happier with the current state of affairs. Something you will soon find out in the midterm elections.

Oh and sorry your girl lost. ;)
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby Cog » Fri 05 Oct 2018, 07:40:30

Unemployment rate drops to 3.7%. Hate on that a while.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 05 Oct 2018, 14:31:36

Yeah, I think it’s bad news for the environment and humanity in general.

But I take a long term view.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 07 Oct 2018, 19:10:19

Trump trusted less than Putin and Xi, says new global study

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/02/politics ... index.html
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby dissident » Sun 07 Oct 2018, 22:14:42

onlooker wrote: Trump trusted less than Putin and Xi, says new global study

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/02/politics ... index.html


The usual CNN anti-Russian hate propaganda. Russian support for Putin is 67%.

https://jam-news.net/?p=62472

The chorus of NATO MSM is all spewing the same BS as CNN. People who can't read Russian and have relatives in Russia are trapped in this MSM propaganda bubble and think it must be true. People then must believe that all the BS spewed against Trump by the same goose-stepping MSM is true as well.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby Cog » Mon 08 Oct 2018, 04:44:10

Redoing trade deals and calling out Nato members for not paying their fair share of defense costs, does not make Europeans happy. My shocked face.

We also don't care if you are happy.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 08 Oct 2018, 11:46:18

We have just seen what the Democrats can do with dirty tricks. Just imagine what they can do with dirty tricks and the majority in the house. 8O
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby lpetrich » Mon 08 Oct 2018, 13:36:34

vtsnowedin wrote:We have just seen what the Democrats can do with dirty tricks. Just imagine what they can do with dirty tricks and the majority in the house. 8O

Seems like projection to me. Democrats Fear They’re the Wet Rag Party - POLITICO Magazine
Al Franken is a long-time liberal warrior accused of predatory sexual behavior who is now licking his wounds in exile.

Brett Kavanaugh is a long-time conservative warrior accused of predatory sexual behavior who is now licking his wounds on the United States Supreme Court.

Donald Trump—who faces a more extensive roster of allegations than either man but has never seemed to be licking any wounds about them—finds that contrast vastly entertaining.

pResident Trump then gloated about how Al Franken folded "like a wet rag".

I remember very well what a wimp Obama was and how wimpy his fellow Democrats were. They let the Republicans filibuster them much more than the Democrats had done during George Bush II's presidency. The Republicans back then threatened the "nuclear option", to abolish the filibuster, and the Democrats meekly went along.

As to Merrick Garland, Obama should have gone ahead and appointed him. He should have said "Since the Senate has no objections, it has essentially consented to my appointment."

As to Obamacare, that has been over the decades Bismarckcare, Heritagecare, Chafeecare, and Romneycare, without much outrage from the Republican Party. But when Obama did it, it was all of a sudden a crime against humanity.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby Cog » Mon 08 Oct 2018, 14:34:22

State's rights(RomneyCare) versus federal mandate(ObamaCare). If only the Constitution talked about such things. LOL
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