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Healing The Partisan Divide Pt. 3

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Re: Healing The Partisan Divide Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 28 Aug 2019, 11:38:16

Another left leaning organization recognizing the problem and writing a thoughtful piece.

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-c ... al-purity/
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Re: Healing The Partisan Divide Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 15 Oct 2019, 15:54:05

the average adult hasn’t made a new friend in the last five years,


thought provoking comment, may have some relevance here.

https://peakoil.com/enviroment/national ... t-30-years
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Re: Healing The Partisan Divide Pt. 3

Unread postby jedrider » Tue 15 Oct 2019, 23:56:42

Congress continues to investigate Trump with no clear results in sight.

Democrats seems to have a lot of good policy ideas in the debates tonight, but have a history of not delivering much.

This is perhaps the results of the 'partisan divide': Divided, nothing can be changed.

I'm hoping that the country can lean in a better direction, leftward from where we are now.

Of course, this does nothing for facing ecological reality. Still better than ignoring what is in one's face.
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Re: Healing The Partisan Divide Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 16 Oct 2019, 06:43:31

That whole “facing ecological reality”!is a very big deal. Until someone does it doesn’t matter much who wins.
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Re: Healing The Partisan Divide Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Wed 16 Oct 2019, 08:15:11

jedrider wrote:Congress continues to investigate Trump with no clear results in sight.

Democrats seems to have a lot of good policy ideas in the debates tonight, but have a history of not delivering much.

This is perhaps the results of the 'partisan divide': Divided, nothing can be changed.

I'm hoping that the country can lean in a better direction, leftward from where we are now.

Of course, this does nothing for facing ecological reality. Still better than ignoring what is in one's face.


I suspect there are members here wouldn't be happy until the leftward lean leads to the Killing Fields of Cambodia. After all, that is really want you want isn't it. To execute everyone who values freedom and individual rights? I mean after all we are deplorables and not redeemable as your 2016 candidate referred to us as.

I watched the debate last night and saw all the candidates call for "consequences" if we wouldn't give up our guns. What do you have in mind here? Going to kill me for exercising my 2nd Amendment rights? How do you suspect that is going to work out for you? I also read the FBI complied stats for 2018. More people are killed with knives, fists, and clubs than rifles but yet you persist in wanting to disarm people. Well good luck with all of that.
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Re: Healing The Partisan Divide Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 16 Oct 2019, 10:00:12

Cog,

You keep making that “killing field” claim with no evidence.

A while back you got really upset when someone called you a racist without supporting evidence. You are doing the same now.
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Re: Healing The Partisan Divide Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Wed 16 Oct 2019, 10:48:55

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/12/politics ... index.html

— Presidential candidate Beto O'Rourke reiterated his support for a mandatory gun-buyback program of assault-style rifles on Thursday and said, "Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47."

"We're not going to allow it to be used against our fellow Americans anymore," the former Texas congressman said during the third Democratic presidential debate, hosted by ABC News.


How much more clear do you want them to be? Every single one of the Dems want to ban them. Some with mandatory buy-backs which is the same as confiscation. Don't piss down my back and call it rain.
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Re: Healing The Partisan Divide Pt. 3

Unread postby jedrider » Wed 16 Oct 2019, 11:21:55

So, Cog, what is your plan for using your AR-15? Are you going to use it against people wielding AK-47's?
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Re: Healing The Partisan Divide Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Wed 16 Oct 2019, 12:45:26

jedrider wrote:So, Cog, what is your plan for using your AR-15? Are you going to use it against people wielding AK-47's?


One never knows. The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is so that the citizenry would always have the ability to shoot tyrants in the face.

But while we are the subject of rights. Is it ok if we charge you by the word to exercise your first Amendment rights? Or perhaps just imprison you if you say the wrong politically incorrect thing?
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Re: Healing The Partisan Divide Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 16 Oct 2019, 13:06:45

Cog wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/12/politics/beto-orourke-hell-yes-take-ar-15-ak-47/index.html

— Presidential candidate Beto O'Rourke reiterated his support for a mandatory gun-buyback program of assault-style rifles on Thursday and said, "Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47."

"We're not going to allow it to be used against our fellow Americans anymore," the former Texas congressman said during the third Democratic presidential debate, hosted by ABC News.


How much more clear do you want them to be? Every single one of the Dems want to ban them. Some with mandatory buy-backs which is the same as confiscation. Don't piss down my back and call it rain.


Your accusation was aimed at members of this site. Don’t be trying to change things now, stick to the point.
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Re: Healing The Partisan Divide Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Wed 16 Oct 2019, 15:24:05

Ok Newfie it's like this. If you vote for a candidate who supports an authoritarian type socialism, then it means you want that type of government. You are comfortable with sending men in blue to kill people who would perhaps won't turn in their guns. What other conclusion am I to draw?

Socialism/communism killed over 100 million in the 20th century alone and yet some here have learned nothing from that except to embrace it for themselves.
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Re: Healing The Partisan Divide Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 16 Oct 2019, 16:28:03

I don’t vote.

But aside from that the point was, and is, you accuse folks here of wanting to kill billions. Show me where they said that.
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Re: Healing The Partisan Divide Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 16 Oct 2019, 16:46:53

Cog wrote:Ok Newfie it's like this. If you vote for a candidate who supports an authoritarian type socialism, then it means you want that type of government. You are comfortable with sending men in blue to kill people who would perhaps won't turn in their guns. What other conclusion am I to draw?

Socialism/communism killed over 100 million in the 20th century alone and yet some here have learned nothing from that except to embrace it for themselves.


Having said the above, and being bored because Im stuck waiting, I’ll entertain this a bit.

You qualify your statement thus “authoritarian type socialism”.

I agree that authoritarian type socialism is pretty bad.

The problem is less the “XYZ” in front, it’s more the “ism” attached. Humans tend to get all wrapped up in this that or the other “ism” (think the Inquisition or PreColumbia Mexico) and you will find folks willing to do in other folks with very little provocation.

In fact there is a Wiki for that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... death_toll

The raw numbers of these events are impressive, even more so when you consider hat the human population was generally much, much lower at the time and population densities were much lower. And these events took place even before communizing or socialism was even invented.

Killing one another seems to be pretty much in our blood, irrespective of our political affiliation. It’s something we do given the chance.

Now this is far from excusing such behavior or desiring such. But if we are to control it then we need to understand it.

I think what folks here are doing is trying to understand what is going on, if not to control it then to survive it.
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Re: Healing The Partisan Divide Pt. 3

Unread postby jedrider » Wed 16 Oct 2019, 17:10:38

Cog wrote:Ok Newfie it's like this. If you vote for a candidate who supports an authoritarian type socialism, then it means you want that type of government. You are comfortable with sending men in blue to kill people who would perhaps won't turn in their guns. What other conclusion am I to draw?

Socialism/communism killed over 100 million in the 20th century alone and yet some here have learned nothing from that except to embrace it for themselves.


Authoritarianism killed over 100 million people in the 20th century. Will the White House make the people's Congress irrelevant?
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Re: Healing The Partisan Divide Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Wed 16 Oct 2019, 18:45:55

Congress has the power to remove the president. Why not vote to do so? Why are the Dems afraid of this?
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Re: Healing The Partisan Divide Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 17 Oct 2019, 00:51:08

Completely off tomorrow topic. Evasion.
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Re: Healing The Partisan Divide Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Thu 17 Oct 2019, 04:51:28

Perhaps dropping this made up impeachment would start to heal the partisan divide.
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