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THE Gasoline Price Thread Pt. 5

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Re: THE Gasoline Price Thread Pt. 5

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 29 Dec 2018, 17:41:21

$1.74/gallon at Costco in Toledo today!
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Re: THE Gasoline Price Thread Pt. 5

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sat 29 Dec 2018, 19:07:30

ROCKMAN wrote:Outcast - I consider the national average rather meaningless. There are very big differences between local retail markets, sources of crude oil and individual refinery dynamics. Averaging all those factors makes comparing it to local prices rather pointless IMHO.

The national average is what it is. You're right that it is rather pointless for comparing things locally.

OTOH, it's far from meaningless. It's an overall indication of the cost to consumers across the country, and the cheaper it is, the less strain on peoples' budgets. So comparing the national average cost over time is a meaningful factor for the US economy. It also weeds out local noise due to things like local/state tax changes, regional distribution changes, local transportation issues, etc. so, IMO, it's a more useful number for looking at the overall economy.

It also has a very high correlation to the WTI price over time. A nice thing about a major average is many local minor factors (both bullish and bearish) tend to cancel out, making the overall signal less noisy.
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Re: THE Gasoline Price Thread Pt. 5

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 16 Feb 2019, 22:01:53

2/15/2019 Upstate New York $2.29/gallon. :)
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Re: THE Gasoline Price Thread Pt. 5

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sat 16 Feb 2019, 22:45:25

vtsnowedin wrote:2/15/2019 Upstate New York $2.29/gallon. :)

Similar here in certral KY lately, between about $2.05 and $2.29 in recent weeks.
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Re: THE Gasoline Price Thread Pt. 5

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 24 Apr 2019, 09:04:07

Gasoline in Toledo is $2.65 and up now, and we are still a bit shy of 'summer driving season'. This makes me suspect we will hit $3.00/gallon before long.
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Re: THE Gasoline Price Thread Pt. 5

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 24 Apr 2019, 09:30:02

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Retail price of regular gasoline in the United States from 1990 to 2018 (in U.S. dollars per gallon)

U.S. dollars per gallon

2018 $2.72
2016 $2.14
2014 $3.36
2012 $3.62
2010 $2.78
2008 $3.25
2006 $2.57
2004 $1.85
2002 $1.35
2000 $1.48
1998 $1.03
1996 $1.20
1994 $1.08
1992 $1.09
1990 $1.30


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Re: THE Gasoline Price Thread Pt. 5

Unread postby Revi » Thu 25 Apr 2019, 07:28:09

It's around $2.80 here in Maine. It's going to be an expensive summer. I hope it isn't hard on a state that relies on tourism, and most of it is in cars. We'll see...
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Re: THE Gasoline Price Thread Pt. 5

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Thu 25 Apr 2019, 13:15:02

Revi wrote:It's around $2.80 here in Maine. It's going to be an expensive summer. I hope it isn't hard on a state that relies on tourism, and most of it is in cars. We'll see...

Why is it that after the economy did just fine overall, both globally and nationally, with WTI prices averaging nearly $100 in mid 2010 to mid 2014, that people are so worried about WTI being in the ballpark of $65 now?

I get it that the ETP clown is always worried. I'm talking about people who think rationally.

The fleet mileage keeps improving. $2.80 (it's about that here in central KY now too) isn't cheap, but neither is it close to ruinous for the first world middle class. And of course, it wasn't a big deal roughly a dollar higher at times in 2010 - 2014.

And it's not like if the price DID get over $5 and persisted there that people couldn't massively turn to HEV's which are now getting FAR better in the current generation, and at almost no premium, given gasoline savings over a decade. Or at $5 plus, providing significant gasoline SAVINGS over a decade, for the average US driver.

We really should have learned around here by now to distinguish minor inconvenience and a significant problem.
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Re: THE Gasoline Price Thread Pt. 5

Unread postby EdwinSm » Fri 26 Apr 2019, 00:52:39

OS. You are right in that the rises in price have not be spectacular. But I think it has less to do with the overall cost of gasoline/petrol, and more to do with what the price is related to the discretionary spending in any one family. If there is a squeeze on the family purses then a small rise in the cost of road trip might be a large rise in relation to the discretionary spending of the family.

When I first joined the forum I thought that oil prices could go up and up, but soon learned that one should look at the total cost of energy in an economy and that if it rose above a certain point then the brakes were slammed on. Similarly, within families the price should not be taken in isolation. For holidays it relates to the amount left after housing, food, education, health costs, loan interest etc have been taken into account - so a small rise in gasoline prices could have a major effect.

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Re: THE Gasoline Price Thread Pt. 5

Unread postby careinke » Sat 27 Apr 2019, 16:29:32

Regular is running around $3.40/Gal in Washington, but we have the second highest gas tax in the country. Surprisingly I'm seeing diesel now lower than Regular at about $3.24/Gal.
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Re: THE Gasoline Price Thread Pt. 5

Unread postby kublikhan » Mon 01 Jul 2019, 16:01:06

Today, gasoline taxes are rising in a dozen U.S. states:
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California is among the states with increases and taxes in the Golden State are going up by 5.6 cents. That now equates to 47.3 cents per gallon, meaning California once again has the highest gasoline prices in the country.

But, the increase is particularly notable in Illinois given, as Statista's Niall McCarthy notes, that the state hasn't altered its gas tax since 1990. It's bumping its gas tax by 19 cents to 38 cents a gallon. Illinoisans will shoulder one of the nation’s heaviest tax burdens at the pump – and the DMV. On June 28, Gov. J.B. Pritzker signed into law a $45 billion infrastructure plan that will bring Illinois drivers a record gas tax hike and higher vehicle registration costs. Those tax and fee increases will come in addition to tax hikes on cigarettes, e-cigarettes, parking and real-estate transfers, on top of new revenue from a massive gambling expansion that includes new casinos and legalized sport betting – all of which the Illinois General Assembly introduced and passed in a single day.

Illinois is one of just seven states where drivers pay layers of both general sales taxes and special excise taxes on gasoline at the state and local levels. Those multiple layers mean drivers filling up in Chicago, for example, will pay 96 cents in taxes and fees on a $2.46 gallon of gasoline – an effective tax burden of 39%. The infrastructure plan also hikes Illinois’ vehicle registration fees to among the highest in the nation. Illinois drivers of standard vehicles weighing 8,000 pounds or less will see registration fees jump to $148 from $98. Notably, the gas tax will be tied to inflation, meaning it will automatically rise annually. This allows state lawmakers in future years to avoid blame from frustrated motorists.
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