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THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Unread postby forbin » Sat 22 Feb 2020, 05:25:53

the series continues - we have from Tanada's figures a 10 year increase in ppm of 24.08

in ten years time we will see 438ppm give or take a few ppm if no decrease in FF consumption is seen .

hi Rockman, glad to hear from you since the days of TOD.

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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Unread postby longpig » Sat 22 Feb 2020, 10:31:48

White Haven Coal the largest coal producer in Australia, share price has dropped from $6 to $2.20 and they reduced their dividend from 20c to 1.5c :shock:
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Unread postby longpig » Sat 22 Feb 2020, 18:20:01

http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/royal- ... er-summer/

As usual left wing idiots completely wrong and is the exact opposite of that they say.

Looks like extra CO2 “causes” Summer rainfall in Australia to increase
Apparently, we should burn fossil fuels to stop fires. You know it makes sense…

Southern Australia rainfall, trends, Bureau of Meteorology,
Australian rainfall trends, Bureau of Meteorology,

But wait, what about Southern Australia?
To cover every last caveat, it’s possible that “climate change” could change where rain falls, or when rain falls — so lets look at the BoM’s own rainfall records.

CO2 apparently makes summers wetter across Southern Australia too

Australian rainfall, Bureau of Meteorology, South East Australia, long term trend, graph.
Australian rainfall, Bureau of Meteorology, Southern Australian rainfall totals, long term trend. Source

It’s also possible that the rainfall could increase but fall in a more variable pattern which increases floods and droughts, but in 178 years of data, that isn’t happening either.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Unread postby jedrider » Tue 25 Feb 2020, 20:55:27

Just for you 'longpig':
When it snows, where's the global warming when you need it!

Beats me.

It hasn't been snowing here in a while, however. Snow is actually insulating. See, common logic is easily subverted.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 05 Mar 2020, 19:12:21

Annual Global Increase In CO2 Above 3ppm First Time Ever in 2019 !

NOAA released its updated numbers for the annual 2019 increase in global atmospheric CO2, after getting the December numbers in (2 more updates for Jan and Feb 2020 before the final number is given) - and its 3.08ppm!

That's, with no El Nino present, the highest number ever (in 2015 it was 2.97ppm).

NOAA also released the final Mauna Loa number and its 2.47ppm, but thats just specific to Mauna Loa. The 3.08ppm number is a global number.

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/gl_gr.html

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/gr.html

(thanks to rboyd at asif for this...just popping in to give this sleepy thread a poke :) )
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 06 Mar 2020, 11:11:33


Week beginning on February 23, 2020: 413.72 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 412.25 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 388.72 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 06 Mar 2020, 11:12:45


February 2020: 414.11 ppm
February 2019: 411.75 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 06 Mar 2020, 11:13:19


March 05: 413.50 ppm
March 04: 413.05 ppm
March 03: 414.01 ppm
March 02: 413.72 ppm
March 01: 414.25 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Unread postby GHung » Fri 06 Mar 2020, 11:38:20

longpig wrote:http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/royal-commission-on-fires-based-on-myth-of-hotter-drier-summer/

As usual left wing idiots completely wrong and is the exact opposite of that they say.

Looks like extra CO2 “causes” Summer rainfall in Australia to increase
Apparently, we should burn fossil fuels to stop fires. You know it makes sense…

Southern Australia rainfall, trends, Bureau of Meteorology,
Australian rainfall trends, Bureau of Meteorology,

But wait, what about Southern Australia?
To cover every last caveat, it’s possible that “climate change” could change where rain falls, or when rain falls — so lets look at the BoM’s own rainfall records.

CO2 apparently makes summers wetter across Southern Australia too

Australian rainfall, Bureau of Meteorology, South East Australia, long term trend, graph.
Australian rainfall, Bureau of Meteorology, Southern Australian rainfall totals, long term trend. Source

It’s also possible that the rainfall could increase but fall in a more variable pattern which increases floods and droughts, but in 178 years of data, that isn’t happening either.



Regarding Longpiggy's source, Joanne Nova:

.........self-published[7] the book The Skeptics Handbook, which rejects the scientific consensus on climate change and promotes various falsehoods about climate change.[9] The book argues that temperatures have not increased, and that greenhouse gases do not contribute to climate change.[9][5] The book promotes the myth that there is already so much CO2 in the atmosphere that adding more will not have an impact on temperatures.[9][10] The book was widely distributed in the United States by The Heartland Institute.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanne_No ... l_advocacy


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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 22 Mar 2020, 07:35:38

Estimates have it Germany will hit its emissions-reducing goals for 2020 due to COVID-19 and a mild winter.

Link >> https://www.dw.com/de/corona-krise-deut ... limaziel-für-2020-pandemie-merkel-deutschland-co2-covid-19/a-52862238

Well, that's one way to crash your emissions. But China's are already on the rise again, I see...
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 02 Apr 2020, 10:28:26

feedbacks keep kicking in...

Flooding Stunted 2019 Cropland Growing Season, Resulting in More Atmospheric CO2

https://blogs.agu.org/geospace/2020/03/ ... heric-co2/
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 02 Apr 2020, 10:38:02


Week beginning on March 22, 2020: 415.52 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 411.24 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 390.77 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 02 Apr 2020, 10:39:05


April 01: 415.81 ppm
March 31: 415.68 ppm
March 30: 415.65 ppm
March 29: 415.68 ppm
March 28: 415.89 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Unread postby Azothius » Thu 02 Apr 2020, 10:50:40

Tanada wrote:
Week beginning on March 22, 2020: 415.52 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 411.24 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 390.77 ppm


a 4.28 increase over last year? I don't recall having seen that big of jump before. Especially surprising to have this big of an increase during the production slowdowns? Was the value from last year unusually low?

Your thoughts?
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 02 Apr 2020, 13:54:42

Azothius wrote:
Tanada wrote:
Week beginning on March 22, 2020: 415.52 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 411.24 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 390.77 ppm


a 4.28 increase over last year? I don't recall having seen that big of jump before. Especially surprising to have this big of an increase during the production slowdowns? Was the value from last year unusually low?

Your thoughts?


IIRC 2019 lagged a little on the up slope last spring due to the lingering cool weather in March through April but only around say 0.5 ppmv from expected levels. this year we have a severe reduction in air travel which has the knock on effect of reducing cirrus cloud formation in the high troposphere. My theory goes; That means more sunlight reaching the sea surface and a faster warm up in surface waters. Warmer surface waters, which is where the majority of exchange between sea water and air takes place, are less able to absorb CO2. Less exchange means more CO2 stays in the air and with everyone at home the electricity demand remains high even though many businesses are shut down. High demand and a predominantly fossil powered grid means almost normal levels of CO2 emissions. Add in with gathering restrictions and cheap fuel a number of people are taking "Sunday drives" alone or in family groups to get out of the home for a while each day and this partially offsets the reduced demand from work commuters staying home.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Thu 02 Apr 2020, 14:04:53

Add in with gathering restrictions and cheap fuel a number of people are taking "Sunday drives" alone or in family groups to get out of the home for a while each day and this partially offsets the reduced demand from work commuters staying home.


I suspect that story is anecdotal but the recent data suggests gasoline demand has dropped precipitously and gasoline stockpiles have grown at an unheard of rate. The sudden decrease in crack margins has also had refineries start to decrease the number of product runs. So pretty hard to imagine there is more CO2 being emitted and hard not to believe there isn't a lot less (i.e. less air traffic, less gasoline consumption, buildings shut down or on minimal energy usage, factories limiting runs etc).
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Unread postby dissident » Fri 03 Apr 2020, 19:00:36

Azothius wrote:
Tanada wrote:
Week beginning on March 22, 2020: 415.52 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 411.24 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 390.77 ppm


a 4.28 increase over last year? I don't recall having seen that big of jump before. Especially surprising to have this big of an increase during the production slowdowns? Was the value from last year unusually low?

Your thoughts?


The CO2 sinks are shrinking (e.g. ocean uptake due to warming surface waters). And stress on vegetation is leading to more CO2 release from natural sources.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sat 04 Apr 2020, 16:22:38

How long until CO2 equivalent is double 1700 levels?
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Unread postby dissident » Sat 04 Apr 2020, 16:30:28

Well before 2100 judging by the CO2 curve. And there is no serious Covid-19 style mitigation effort to flatten the curve.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 7

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 07 Apr 2020, 09:49:22


Week beginning on March 29, 2020: 415.74 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 412.39 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 391.47 ppm
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