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Trump's "America First Energy Plan"

Unread postby GHung » Mon 23 Jan 2017, 17:24:06

https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy

The White House web site is transitioning from Obama to Trump. Not much there yet, but an introduction to the Trump administration's energy plans is up:

An America First Energy Plan

Energy is an essential part of American life and a staple of the world economy. The Trump Administration is committed to energy policies that lower costs for hardworking Americans and maximize the use of American resources, freeing us from dependence on foreign oil.

For too long, we’ve been held back by burdensome regulations on our energy industry. President Trump is committed to eliminating harmful and unnecessary policies such as the Climate Action Plan and the Waters of the U.S. rule. Lifting these restrictions will greatly help American workers, increasing wages by more than $30 billion over the next 7 years.

Sound energy policy begins with the recognition that we have vast untapped domestic energy reserves right here in America. The Trump Administration will embrace the shale oil and gas revolution to bring jobs and prosperity to millions of Americans. We must take advantage of the estimated $50 trillion in untapped shale, oil, and natural gas reserves, especially those on federal lands that the American people own. We will use the revenues from energy production to rebuild our roads, schools, bridges and public infrastructure. Less expensive energy will be a big boost to American agriculture, as well.

The Trump Administration is also committed to clean coal technology, and to reviving America’s coal industry, which has been hurting for too long.

In addition to being good for our economy, boosting domestic energy production is in America’s national security interest. President Trump is committed to achieving energy independence from the OPEC cartel and any nations hostile to our interests. At the same time, we will work with our Gulf allies to develop a positive energy relationship as part of our anti-terrorism strategy.

Lastly, our need for energy must go hand-in-hand with responsible stewardship of the environment. Protecting clean air and clean water, conserving our natural habitats, and preserving our natural reserves and resources will remain a high priority. President Trump will refocus the EPA on its essential mission of protecting our air and water.

A brighter future depends on energy policies that stimulate our economy, ensure our security, and protect our health. Under the Trump Administration’s energy policies, that future can become a reality.


As expected, a little lite on specifics so far. Comments? Additions?
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Re: Trump's "America First Energy Plan"

Unread postby Antaris » Mon 23 Jan 2017, 17:37:10

I used to have a boss that sounded like this.
He had two at least two personalities that didn't talk with each other.
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Re: Trump's "America First Energy Plan"

Unread postby Cog » Mon 23 Jan 2017, 18:19:48

Seems clear enough to me. He is going to expedite oil and gas exploration on federal lands and encourage coal mining.

Sounds fine to me.
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Re: Trump's "America First Energy Plan"

Unread postby GHung » Mon 23 Jan 2017, 18:29:38

Cog wrote:Seems clear enough to me. He is going to expedite oil and gas exploration on federal lands and encourage coal mining.

Sounds fine to me.


One of the coal industry's biggest problems is an abundance of cheap natural gas. Not sure how he keeps both industries happy. Ideas?
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Re: Trump's "America First Energy Plan"

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Mon 23 Jan 2017, 19:00:27

Trump is just saying what he intends to do is BAU. Remember that Obama said pious words about climate, then juiced the oil and coal and gas as hard as he possibly could, while spectacularly failing to implement Green Energy (i.e. Solyndra and Cape Wind).

The only question being, can the typical US citizen adapt to somebody who both says and does the same. The Dummycrats appear to be very confused about this method of operation.
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Re: Trump's "America First Energy Plan"

Unread postby yportne » Mon 23 Jan 2017, 19:17:04

To what extent are the federal lands oily?
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Re: Trump's "America First Energy Plan"

Unread postby GHung » Mon 23 Jan 2017, 19:29:25

KaiserJeep wrote:Trump is just saying what he intends to do is BAU. Remember that Obama said pious words about climate, then juiced the oil and coal and gas as hard as he possibly could, while spectacularly failing to implement Green Energy (i.e. Solyndra and Cape Wind)....
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Not sure how a smart guy can say such dumb things in light of the facts.

Obama Has Done More for Clean Energy Than You Think
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... you-think/

......The most important thing the Obama administration has done to combat climate change may not end up being raised fuel-efficiency standards for cars and trucks or even its Clean Power Plan to cut carbon dioxide emissions from power plants. The most important thing may turn out to be the loans that enabled large power facilities that run on sunshine or Earth's heat to break ground out west, wind farms to be built from coast to coast and construction of the nation's first brewery for biofuels not made from food—as well as a host of other advanced manufacturing energy projects.

The loan program got its start a full decade ago with the Energy Policy Act of 2005—legislation that aimed to provide incentives to produce energy in the U.S., whether by drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico or building new power plants. Only companies with established credit histories, however, like utility giant Southern Co., could take advantage of the loan program created by that bill. Companies behind new, alternative energy projects, like electric-carmaker Tesla Motors, typically did not have the benefit of such track records, however. As a result, almost no one applied for a loan.

So in 2009, as part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act to deal with the economic fallout of the Great Recession, the loan program got new terms. Most importantly, the federal government agreed to take more of the financial risk for renewable energy projects. The result was a stampede of applications. "There were hundreds of applications and 15 people working as hard as they possibly could when I got there," recalls Jonathan Silver, who became head of the LPO in 2009 and is now a managing director at Tax Equity Advisors and a clean-energy investor and consultant. "We were building this car as we drove it, which is not easy."....

.....Between March 2009 and August 2010, when the window closed for new applications, the loan program received hundreds of submissions. By September 2011, the $16 billion had been loaned to various renewable energy projects. An additional $16 billion in loans, guarantees or commitments have been made since then, including $8 billion to help build the nation's first new nuclear reactors in more than 30 years in Georgia.

The biggest challenge the loan program faced may not have been public criticism of failed deals like Solyndra, Fisker Automotive and Beacon Power or technology letdowns such as the Ivanpah solar-thermal power plant producing less electricity than expected. Rather, the biggest challenge came from within the Obama administration itself, particularly the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB), which stood athwart greater ambition. For example, one deal, dubbed SolarStrong, would have loaned $344 million to put solar panels on housing on military bases across the country. But OMB axed the deal because budget rules require it to assume that the Department of Defense might not have the appropriations to repay the loan in future decades. "At which point, all you can do is go home and have a scotch," Silver recalls.......

.......In the end, the LPO's successes helped kill off some of its own portfolio of projects. Building utility-scale solar photovoltaic plants like Agua Caliente and Antelope Valley helped render obsolete solar thermal power plants like Ivanpah and Solana as silicon technology improved dramatically and costs dropped whereas the price of steel and glass remained relatively high. Large photovoltaic installations also helped make solar panels so cheap that it drove companies like Solyndra—whose business model relied on PV remaining expensive—into bankruptcy. "We were simply financing the best deals available," Silver says, noting that the program could not independently seek out good projects. "The single thing that bound all these applications together was not their size or technology or geography or financing structure. The single thing that bound them together is that they applied."

That also means the loan program may have taken too little risk. The program has made a profit of nearly $1 billion in interest payments to the U.S Treasury to date. At least $5 billion more is expected over the next few decades as loans are paid back. That compares with $780 million in losses to date, the bulk of which is accounted for by the $535 million loaned to Solyndra. And more money could be made if the program were to ever sell its group of loans rather than managing them for the next few decades.......
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Re: Trump's "America First Energy Plan"

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Mon 23 Jan 2017, 19:48:43

Cog - "...He is going to expedite oil and gas exploration on federal lands and encourage coal mining." He can't effect the amount of drilling in the country on neither federal nor private lands. There are hundreds of thousands acres of Federal leases that ARE NOT being drilled today because the current oil/NG prices don't justify it. And there are tens of millions of acres of privately owned lands not being drilled today for the same reason. And there are leases the industry originally paid hundreds of $millions to acquire drilling rights to that are expiring without being drilled. And again for same reason: low oil prices. And federal govt policies have zero impact on what gets drilled in Texas today and never had any impact. So what policy change can President Trump make that would increase drilling in Texas? What policy change can President Trump make that would increase the drilling of Bakken wells on federal lands when there are mucho drill sites available now that aren't being drilled due to low prices?

It never ceases to amaze me how so many people think the POTUS has more control over fossil fuel extraction then very basic economic factors. Again I ask the same question: what were President Obama's policies that created the highest rate of increase of oil production in history? And when you get that list completed please send it to President Trump ASAP. I could really use another boom...right f*cking now! LOL.

But if you want President Trump to increase drilling federal leases: all he has to do is enact policies that inhibit production from the existing US oil wells and force oil prices up. Let him get oil back to $100/bbl and SHAZAM!...happy days are here again!!! LOL.

Oh, I forgot coal. As of 2015 there were 306 federal coal leases covering 482,000 acres in operation. These lands produce 40% of all US coal. Of course the govt under President Obama increased coal exports to record levels. Which was aided by him expediting the expansion of coal export facilities in Texas. So given that coal prices have about doubled in the last year President Trump really doesn't have to do a f*cking thing. LOL. Of course if he wanted to help the coal industry mining privater lands he could restrict coal production and export from federal lands. That would increase coal prices beyond the nearly 100% the private mines are currently enjoying. Of course it would hurt private companies mining those federal lands and lead to miners being laid off. Which would seem to contradict his campaign promise.
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Re: Trump's "America First Energy Plan"

Unread postby diemos » Mon 23 Jan 2017, 20:06:19

Well Rockman you've just outlined the correct policy to maximize oil production in the US.

Ban imports. Then the prices will skyrocket until US production comes back into play. As an added bonus we'll be "energy independent" and there won't be the need for any subsidies for alternative energy investment.
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Re: Trump's "America First Energy Plan"

Unread postby Satori » Mon 23 Jan 2017, 20:07:01

"President Trump is committed to achieving energy independence from the OPEC cartel and any nations hostile to our interests"

funniest part of that whole sales spiel

how many DECADES have we been hearing the same promise ?
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Re: Trump's "America First Energy Plan"

Unread postby Cog » Mon 23 Jan 2017, 20:11:48

GHung wrote:
Cog wrote:Seems clear enough to me. He is going to expedite oil and gas exploration on federal lands and encourage coal mining.

Sounds fine to me.


One of the coal industry's biggest problems is an abundance of cheap natural gas. Not sure how he keeps both industries happy. Ideas?


Coal can be exported that isn't of any use in the USA. Coal miners aren't going to care who the end user is.
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Re: Trump's "America First Energy Plan"

Unread postby ralfy » Mon 23 Jan 2017, 21:07:18

"I've always said,” Donald Trump told Matt Lauer at the Commander-in-Chief Forum on Sept. 7, "take the oil." It was a rare instance of Trump not exaggerating. Seizing Middle Eastern oil has always been one of Trump’s favorite foreign-policy refrains. In addition to the Sept. 7 forum, he voiced virtually the same words during the first presidential debate on Sept. 26, at a foreign-policy speech in Youngstown, Ohio, on Aug. 15, and in numerous campaign rallies during the spring and summer. And the pattern stretches back long before the presidential campaign.


http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/10/13/tru ... elections/
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Re: Trump's "America First Energy Plan"

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Mon 23 Jan 2017, 21:14:08

GHung wrote:-snip-

Not sure how a smart guy can say such dumb things in light of the facts.


The facts would be that he CAFE standards were enacted in 1976 under POTUS Ford (R). They were increased in 1996 by POTUS GHW Bush (R). Increased again in 2005 by POTUS GW Bush (R). Increased again in 2009, 2010, 2011 by Obama (D). I suppose this Dummycrat is to be congratulated on FINALLY GETTING THE POINT.

The Energy Policy Act of 2005 was championed by GW Bush, and the Dummycrat Senate refused to sign the "risk management" portion of the bill that would provide Federal bailout funds. Then in 2009 Obama corrected this and the legislation began working. Funny thing was, that his two pet projects were the Cape Wind offshore wind farm in MA, and Solyndra in nearby Fremont CA. Cape Wind was squashed by the powerful Kennedy-Shriver clan (all D's) who did not want to glimpse windmills miles away from their 11,000 sqaure foot "beach cottage", aka "the Kennedy Compound". Solyndra simply bellied up because their PV tech inside quartz tubes was absolute BS that did not work even as well as flat panels, and anybody with the slightest amount of Physics and the smarts to use it could have figured this out. I guess Dummycrats don't study Physics, and if they do, don't use it for anything.

The Fisker automobile was another dud, not even as good as the first Tesla (the Roadster) or the 2nd (Model S). I do however agree with the $8B in loan guarantees for new nuclear reactors. None of which have been built yet due to opposition from Dummycrats in the House and Senate, which means that unless Trump can whop their little heads and get construction going, we'll write off the $8B for new nukes along with the $530M for Solyndra and the $139M loss with Fisker. Not to mention hundreds of millions down the tubes on large central solar generation. (Gee, who would have thought that managing molten salts at 1500 degrees would be troublesome?)
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Re: Trump's "America First Energy Plan"

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Mon 23 Jan 2017, 21:25:35

KJ -'And yet the largest fossil fuel producing state developed world class alt energy with a minimal amount of federal help. In fact it would seem like the kiss of death for an alt project is to answer the knock at the door and find a person saying: "I'm from the federal govt and am here to help you". LOL.
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Re: Trump's "America First Energy Plan"

Unread postby dashster » Mon 23 Jan 2017, 22:04:31

yportne wrote:To what extent are the federal lands oily?


Can't be too much. Cheney and Bush would have been willing to drill in their parents' backyards and I don't remember them talking up federal land exploration.
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Re: Trump's "America First Energy Plan"

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Mon 23 Jan 2017, 22:34:30

y - How oily? Well between 2003 and 2014 more oil and lease condensate was produced from federal lands during President Obama's presidency in 2010: 724 million bbls. That was 36% of total US production which was also the highest in that time frame.

Yes: in the last 13 years more oil was produced from federal lands in the middle of D POTUS presidency.
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Re: Trump's "America First Energy Plan"

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 23 Jan 2017, 22:36:26

yportne wrote:To what extent are the federal lands oily?


Roughly 50 percent of all land west of the Mississippi River is federal land, the Congress required every new state turn over half of its territory before they would grant statehood starting around 1820. East of the Mississippi river the number has a much greater variability, some states are 40 percent or more Federal land, like Michigan, some are as little as a few percent in the original 13 states plus Vermont and a few others that got in before Congress went all greedy. In the first states the land was all state land that had to be purchased by the Federal Government for things like Annapolis Naval College and West Point Military Academy. Washington D.C. was the only substantial piece of federal territory east of the Appalachian mountains after the Great Compromise where the Federal Government took possession of land west of the Appalachians in exchange for paying the revolutionary war debts of the 13 original states. When Vermont and Kentucky and Tennessee were formed as the first additional states they got all the land the same way the original states did and this meant the Federal Government that had been selling the land in their territories suddenly lost the revenue from those sales. So Congress changed the rules to make sure they still had plenty of land to sell. By the 1860's the Federal Government had so much more land than they could reasonably sell they created the Homestead Act that would give any adult 160 acres of free land if they would live on it and 'improve' it from its wilderness condition. They also gave land rights to every railroad into undeveloped territory amounting to a two mile wide strip, the mile on each side of the track they laid, as an incentive for the railroads to build lines all the way to the West Coast.

This situation held true for about 110 years, then in the mid 1970's Congress repealed the Homestead Act and made all the remaining territory, which is a great deal of land, the responsibility of the interior department in perpetuity. Interior Department can sell Federal land from time to time, usually in the form of closed military bases like Long Beach, California, which was an excellent US Navy Base and is now the largest import container hub on the west coast, owned by Chinese companies who bought it outright from the Federal Government when Bill Clinton was President. Other land like the Philadelphia Navy Yard where a great many ships were built for World War I and World War II was sold to wealthy investors that 'redeveloped' it into luxury properties for very wealthy clients who now own it. Today if you want to you can buy old ICBM Silo's that were built for missile systems that were discontinued and scrapped decades ago, I wouldn't but hey some people think they are great doomsteads.

Also a lot of that federal land has been converted since the 1970's into National Forest and National Park land and National Preserves. The straight wild Federal Land can be leased for grazing or mineral rights, but in general they don't sell it any more. Oh and a good size chunk of it was distributed to different tribal organizations under the authority of the BIA, the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Any time a "indian casino" is built the Federal Government takes possession of the land and then transfers it via a treaty to whatever tribal organization they acquired it for. In this fashion the land no longer belongs to the city or state where it is located so it no longer pays taxes to those entities. That little trick really hurt the city of Detroit which was near bankruptcy and then had three casinos built by 'indians' that are in effect just the partners of some very wealthy paleface investors like MGM Grand.
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Re: Trump's "America First Energy Plan"

Unread postby Zarquon » Tue 24 Jan 2017, 01:38:56

Satori wrote:"how many DECADES have we been hearing the same promise ?


Since Nixon.
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Re: Trump's "America First Energy Plan"

Unread postby Cog » Tue 24 Jan 2017, 05:09:44

Having the former CEO of Exxon Mobil as your Secretary of State, advising the president as to what is possible, is a nice advantage.
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Re: Trump's "America First Energy Plan"

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 24 Jan 2017, 08:33:24

Zarquon wrote:
Satori wrote:"how many DECADES have we been hearing the same promise ?


Since Nixon.


When you point at Nixon keep in mind he was half way through his first term when the USA peaked. From the 1850's right through 1970 the USA produced more oil year in and year out with few exceptions. Like most people President Nixon presumed the 1970 peak was the anomaly and we would soon be growing again.

Bill Clinton 20 years later doesn't have that excuse, nor does George W. Bush 30 years later. President Obama actually saw USA oil production grow substantially during his term in office, to the point many pundits and reporters were writing about 'saudi america' and creating this image that soon America would be a net exporter of petroleum.

Politicians are just people in positions of authority, they are subject to confirmation bias just like the rest of us, believing what they want to be true is true on the flimsiest of evidence. When the chattering classes in the media all start pushing those same hopes as being real it is a sadly easy trap to fall into.
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