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Countdown To Impeachment

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how long before Trump is impeached?

Before swearing in
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Before 100 days into term
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Before 1 year
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21%
Before 2018 mid-terms
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13%
Before 2020 election
5
13%
hell freezes over
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54%
 
Total votes : 39

Re: Countdown To Impeachment

Unread postby Cog » Fri 11 Oct 2019, 14:49:47

That cult, as you call it, is also going to put the fear into Senate Republicans to keep the from flipping. I estimate Trump's hard core base as about 30% of Republican voters. No Republican Senator can give up that many votes to a Democrat candidate opponent.

Even assuming the House can articulate some crime that Trump committed. Something we have not yet seen.
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment

Unread postby Pops » Fri 11 Oct 2019, 20:27:27

Ibon wrote:Pops, it is not that you have been wrong about assessing Trump. Where you have been wrong is under estimating the depths of the cult like loyalty to a deeply flawed and criminal president.

I admit, I'm still surprised how changed people are. The rage, hatefulness and willful ignorance and just plain bad faith is hard for me to grasp.

That hate wasn't there before, not at the level it is now. I'm from the "deplorables," lived with them all my life, they weren't always deplorable. The right wing rage machine has been very successful in isolating them, indoctrinating them, providing an enemy and now a leader. It wasn't putin, it was the murdochs, mercers, kochs, addlesons and 1,000 corporations that have succeeded spectacularly in capturing a large enough vote to put the coup de grâce to the administrative state. The debt bomb the right warned of for years is detonating as we speak and the very terrorists are dancing in the oval office!

We'll see where it goes from here, the last actual newsman just quit fox. He wasn't a big draw lately, fox viewers don't want news or information anymore, they want rage, vitriol, deep state conspiracy and confirmation of the deep dark baises they've kept hidden all these years.

Look at the mantra of the fox viewers in this thread, they all shout "Queen Nancy" in unison. Repeat some version of an extra-constitutional coup against the leader. And there is no dissuading them, even the constitution doesn't trump their chant.

yeah, kinda culty all right
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment

Unread postby Cog » Fri 11 Oct 2019, 21:39:47

I guess Pops has never witnessed left wing rage and virtue signaling run amok. Sad to be so sheltered. How many videos would you like me to post of people being assaulted for the crime of attending a Trump rally by Antifa goons?
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment

Unread postby dissident » Sat 12 Oct 2019, 09:24:11

Cog wrote:I guess Pops has never witnessed left wing rage and virtue signaling run amok. Sad to be so sheltered. How many videos would you like me to post of people being assaulted for the crime of attending a Trump rally by Antifa goons?


Or average people being attacked for wearing MAGA hats. There is a nice video of some fast food joint SJW losing it over a customer wearing a MAGA hat and ripping it off his head. Only demented NPC SJW drones can see MAGA hats in such a distorted way as to be triggered by them. Anyone who supports NPC SJW drones is either and idiot or one of them. No rational human being should tolerate such grotesque behavior which is all about violating other people's human rights in the name of Trotskyist "identity politics" and assorted other fake causes.
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment

Unread postby evilgenius » Sat 12 Oct 2019, 11:01:59

Cog wrote:That cult, as you call it, is also going to put the fear into Senate Republicans to keep the from flipping. I estimate Trump's hard core base as about 30% of Republican voters. No Republican Senator can give up that many votes to a Democrat candidate opponent.

Even assuming the House can articulate some crime that Trump committed. Something we have not yet seen.

Really? Because it's one thing to use the power of incumbency to gain re-election, and quiet another to use the resources at your disposal as an office holder to ensure such a thing. It's as bad as using the intelligence services to spy on your own people, so that you know what to say to them because you know what they want to hear. No, I'm not accusing Trump of that. I only bring that up in order to make a comparison that people might understand better than whether there was a quid pro quo.
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment

Unread postby Ibon » Sat 12 Oct 2019, 11:37:35

dissident wrote:
Cog wrote:I guess Pops has never witnessed left wing rage and virtue signaling run amok. Sad to be so sheltered. How many videos would you like me to post of people being assaulted for the crime of attending a Trump rally by Antifa goons?


Or average people being attacked for wearing MAGA hats. There is a nice video of some fast food joint SJW losing it over a customer wearing a MAGA hat and ripping it off his head. Only demented NPC SJW drones can see MAGA hats in such a distorted way as to be triggered by them. Anyone who supports NPC SJW drones is either and idiot or one of them. No rational human being should tolerate such grotesque behavior which is all about violating other people's human rights in the name of Trotskyist "identity politics" and assorted other fake causes.


You are putting on one column a few extremist leftists who get all bent out of shape and full of juvenile rage and are attempting to create a false equivalency comparing this to:

1) The very real manipulative narrative of Trump and his goons using lies to feed the hatred and paranoia of their base with the help of Fox News in order to cover up their criminal acts. If only all the Trump supporters had a clue to how they are being manipulated. They just can't see it. In fact these videos of leftist Antifa rage is exactly part of the way that Trump and Fox baits their base into fear and hatred.

2) A point Pops mentioned that nobody here seems to want to address.
the murdochs, mercers, kochs, addlesons and 1,000 corporations that have succeeded spectacularly in capturing a large enough vote to put the coup de grâce to the administrative state.


If you want to understand the depths of the manipulation you need to see that the polarity in politics, the divisiveness, is fabricated to keep everyone distracted while corporations continue to game the system with the help of crooks in government, Trump only representing the most egregious tip of the ice berg. And he was supposed to drain the swamp! Sure, Clinton was part of the swamp, a corporatist. It is not one party or the other. Let's agree to that and recognize Trump is right in league, far worse actually.

What would be awesome to see at some point up ahead is the polarity and divisiveness coming to an end as the electorate joins to address what is the real deep state here in the USA, this corporate welfare state that games the system.

Could that happen? Are Americans smart enough to stop regurgitating the fabricated polarity talking points and come together for real reform?
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 12 Oct 2019, 11:59:09

Another question concerning the constitution.

Does the Constitution require the President to cooperate with the congress in the impeachment process?
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment

Unread postby Pops » Sat 12 Oct 2019, 16:56:49

Newfie wrote:Another question concerning the constitution.

Does the Constitution require the President to cooperate with the congress in the impeachment process?

you and I both quoted what is said about House impeachment in the constitution.

Tradition has it that the POTUS tries to stonewall congressional investigation, the congress goes to court and/or impeaches him for obstruction. The courts say executive privilege is a thing but not exclusive and they have say so.

{in US v Nixon, the "tapes" case} The Supreme Court acknowledged, for the first time, that an executive privilege exists under the Constitution, but it qualified the scope of the privilege by subjecting it to a balancing of the competing interests and legitimate needs of the executive and judicial branches.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/congression ... n-branches
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment

Unread postby Pops » Sat 12 Oct 2019, 17:15:47

Ibon wrote:Could that happen? Are Americans smart enough to stop regurgitating the fabricated polarity talking points and come together for real reform?

We're experiencing the result of primitive human manipulation using new media, really just 10 or 15 years old. Imagine what will it be like when quantum AI pattern recognition figures out the buttons to push?
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment

Unread postby Cog » Sun 13 Oct 2019, 01:10:38

@ Newfie

A court can compel the executive branch to deliver up documents it holds, but 5th Amendment protections apply to everyone, including the president. It is not obstruction to refuse to testify or cooperate in an investigation. There are several associates of Trump who should have refused to say a word to a federal agent. The only crime they were charged with was lying. General Flynn comes to mind. The FBI was laying an obvious perjury trap and Flynn walked right into it.

The left are attempting a bloodless coup, assisted in part by members of the intelligence community. Cooperating with such a thing is tantamount to sedition.
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