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Humanity found wanting.

Unread postby Tikib » Tue 27 Sep 2016, 16:18:46

Having watched the train wreck of peak oil approach the human race for 20 years now, I just gotta say we have been pathetic.

Scientists and engineers have been warning about peak oil since the 1960's but despite this it was only in the early 00's we got serious about alternative energy.

And as many people on here well know the oil depletion problem isn't just about energy it's about infrastructure, you need enough energy to replace both electric and transportation usage AND the infrastructure to do it. So its something that would take a long time to do.

Also we have concentrated almost all of our funding on traditional wind and solar even though the higher eroei's necessary to comfortably replace fossil fuels are found in
high altitude wind and thorium/fusion reactors.
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Re: Humanity found wanting.

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 27 Sep 2016, 16:38:22

Tikib wrote: the oil depletion problem ....you need enough energy to replace both electric and transportation usage AND the infrastructure to do it. So its something that would take a long time to do.


Actually, extremely little is oil used for electrical generation in the USA today, and it didn't take long to do it either. It would be good for the rest of the world to follow our example on this. Its a lot more difficult to get fossil fuels out of the transportation side of things, but at this point the technology exists to almost totally remove oil from the electricity generating side of things (of course, removing coal and NG from the electricity side is still a long way off).

Only about 1% of electricity in the USA is currently generated with oil

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Re: Humanity found wanting.

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Tue 27 Sep 2016, 17:08:44

At least we are raping the Earth efficiently:

https://youtu.be/CpdZyJ0Y1jE?t=4s
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Re: Humanity found wanting.

Unread postby Tikib » Tue 27 Sep 2016, 17:22:54

In order to replace oil economically you need an extremely cheap source of energy so that you can then convert it into all the things that oil does (and perhaps in some cases generate synthetic oil) neither wind nor solar are that cheap yet (and they may never be).

You also need to build all the electric cars, trucks, tractors ships etc that are the workhouses of our economy.

And as he says run extra powerlines to charge all these things.
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Re: Humanity found wanting.

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 27 Sep 2016, 17:26:03

pstarr wrote: we need TO REPLACE THE INFRASTRUCTURE !


That sounds nice, but how do you see that happening when the US is 19 trillion dollars in debt, and adding ca. 1 trillion dollars more in additional debt every year?

How do you see that happening when the federal government blocks ongoing infrastructure projects, resulting in billions of dollars of losses for the private companies that were blocked from building infrastructure projects.

How do you see that happening when we've currently got a president who would rather go deeper and deeper into debt wasting money on bombs and shiny toys for his wars in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and Libya then spend money on infrastructure?

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Re: Humanity found wanting.

Unread postby radon1 » Tue 27 Sep 2016, 17:55:08

Tikib wrote:neither wind nor solar are that cheap yet (and they may never be).


Solar is not cheap. Solar is free. Go outdoors and check it up.
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Re: Humanity found wanting.

Unread postby StarvingLion » Tue 27 Sep 2016, 17:58:14

The arrogant delusional dreamers called university physicists are now betting the farm on this:

http://www.trialphaenergy.com/

another magic fusion box which requires 10x the temp of D-D fusion

That doesn't even solve the propulsion problem which is harder than the free electricity generator problem.
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Re: Humanity found wanting.

Unread postby mmasters » Tue 27 Sep 2016, 18:02:31

The US has 20-30 years worth of natural gas for use in transportation and electricity.
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Re: Humanity found wanting.

Unread postby StarvingLion » Tue 27 Sep 2016, 18:05:03

Here is the problem to be solved: take out the diesel engine of a large tractor and replace it with some other device with the same dimensions and power characteristics that runs on some fuel derived from sea water.

Pretty easy, huh?

Go to any popular Economist forum. Those mental retards are so dumb they don't even know there is a problem.
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Re: Humanity found wanting.

Unread postby StarvingLion » Tue 27 Sep 2016, 18:07:26

mmasters wrote:The US has 20-30 years worth of natural gas for use in transportation and electricity.


Saudi Arabia has 30 years of 10M barrels/day production of oil with no decline.

And SA is still going to blow up and disintegrate decades before those 30 years are up.
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Re: Humanity found wanting.

Unread postby radon1 » Tue 27 Sep 2016, 18:09:24

StarvingLion wrote:The arrogant delusional dreamers called university physicists are now betting the farm on this:

http://www.trialphaenergy.com/

another magic fusion box which requires 10x the temp of D-D fusion

That doesn't even solve the propulsion problem which is harder than the free electricity generator problem.


Nice link. Interesting that the board has Chubais as its member. Chubais is the chief post-Soviet "reformer" in Russia, and generally a total disaster. This is very discouraging. He is now the head of Rosnano, another state-sponsored black hole for Russian pensioners' money.

The research is fine, but what do the Russian pensioners have to do with it?
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Re: Humanity found wanting.

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 27 Sep 2016, 20:33:58

Solar panels, wind generator, controller, dump, mounts, wiring, labor and maintenance. Yeah, real cheap.
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Re: Humanity found wanting.

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 27 Sep 2016, 21:02:03

StarvingLion wrote:
Saudi Arabia has 30 years of 10M barrels/day production of oil with no decline.


What makes you think that? :lol:

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pstarr wrote:I hate Obama... Cheers!


What makes you think that? :lol:

Cheers! to you as well.
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Re: Humanity found wanting.

Unread postby StarvingLion » Tue 27 Sep 2016, 21:03:27

Newfie wrote:Solar panels, wind generator, controller, dump, mounts, wiring, labor and maintenance. Yeah, real cheap.


But its Ponzifiable...energetic payback in 13.93553 seconds. Scamerica, grate financial power in S&P 500 Index, economically so weak it will soon cannot afford to make a pair of shoes, ...but grate Ponzi Paradise of Worthless Fake Money to build Fake Ponzi Energy System to power Hal the Computer to make S&P 500 go HIGHER HIGHER HIGHER!!!...muwhahahahahahahhaha....

Soon Scamerica will be nothing more than one company in the S&P 500 "index" that houses an AI Computer that consumes all the power from 5000 Coal powered generating stations. Try competing with that!

It will replace Judge Roland Freisler in The Peoples Court whereby Don Stewart will appear naked in his Amazonian Tribesman defense ploy while the AI computer laughs austerically and then sez:

TAKE HIM AWAY
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Re: Humanity found wanting.

Unread postby StarvingLion » Tue 27 Sep 2016, 21:09:19

Plantagenet wrote:
StarvingLion wrote:
Saudi Arabia has 30 years of 10M barrels/day production of oil with no decline.


What makes you think that? :lol:

Cheers!

pstarr wrote:I hate Obama? Cheers!


What makes you think that? :lol:

Cheers! to you as well.


Petroleum Engineer Louis Powers (who claims he worked for Saudi Aramco) in his 2012 book 'The World Energy Dilemma' said so....
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Re: Humanity found wanting.

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 27 Sep 2016, 21:58:10

StarvingLion wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:
StarvingLion wrote:
Saudi Arabia has 30 years of 10M barrels/day production of oil with no decline.


What makes you think that? :lol:

Cheers!


Petroleum Engineer Louis Powers (who claims he worked for Saudi Aramco) in his 2012 book 'The World Energy Dilemma' said so....


I checked out Louis Powers' web site.

Louis Powers' did work in Saudi as a reservoir engineer, but he last worked in Saudi 37 years ago. That suggests he's not exactly up to date on what is happening there now.

Louis Powers' is also a climate change denier, so he's either not very smart or not very well plugged into modern science.

Its interesting that he believes KSA has another 30 years of oil supply, but I don't think his opinion is definitive.

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Re: Humanity found wanting.

Unread postby Hawkcreek » Wed 28 Sep 2016, 00:19:09

StarvingLion wrote:Here is the problem to be solved: take out the diesel engine of a large tractor and replace it with some other device with the same dimensions and power characteristics that runs on some fuel derived from sea water.

Pretty easy, huh?

Go to any popular Economist forum. Those mental retards are so dumb they don't even know there is a problem.

Long ago some farmers devoted 20 percent of their farms to crops for their draft animals to pull plows and harvest equipment.
Today some farmers are devoting 20 percent of their farms to oil crops to fuel their tractors and combines. It can be done.
I know, it would require a tremendous effort and would reduce the total crops grown for humans, but since we waste 40 to 50 percent of all food we harvest, it would still feed our country.
I don't know about other countries with different population densities. ,
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