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The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby jawagord » Tue 31 Mar 2020, 07:17:14

Alberta government invests in KXL. Construction to commence next month?

https://business.financialpost.com/comm ... government
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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Wed 01 Apr 2020, 12:25:53

jawagord - Thanks for the update. And now to confuse the situation. There will be a new border crossing pipeline: KXL. But they already have a border crossing pipeline: the Keystone Pipeline System. It's far to the east of the new proposed crossing. That existing crossing had its capacity increased (with President Obama's approval) and a new pipeline extended southward: remember all the uproar from the Native Americans because it was going to go under a reservoir CLOSE to the reservation...not on reservation. It duplicated an existing pipeline following the same route. Had the original border crossing been approved by President Obama that huge new pipeline (including the capacity increase of the existing border crossing line) would not have been built. To long to explain the reality of the situation. Probably news fact to you and 99% of all Americans because the MSM didn't want to advertise President Obama's hand in the process. Really had to study the facts in great detail to understand the situation. I explained the details on this site at the time. For what it was worth...not much since to much tech for the average member here.

Go to TC Energy site and pull up interactive maps and the situation will become much clearer.
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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby jawagord » Wed 01 Apr 2020, 15:56:44

Wikipedia has a good summary of the Keystone pipeline projects (Phase 1 - 4). The original pipeline was a conversion of a gas line to oil which helps explain the indirect routing. George W. gave the presidential permit for Phase 1. Phase 2 and 3a+3b look like all USA projects which wouldn't need presidential approval, Phase 4 did and didn't get it. I don't know if BHO had a hand in some capacity increase approvals as you allude to, we do know what he didn't approve and for that, his name will forever be MUDD in Alberta, right up there with Justin's father in our hall of infamy.

February 9, 2005 TransCanada Corporation proposed the project.[22]

October 2007 The Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union of Canada asked the Canadian federal government to block regulatory approvals for the pipeline, with union president Dave Coles stating "the Keystone pipeline will exclusively serve US markets, create a permanent employment for very few Canadians, reduce our energy security, and hinder investment and job creation in the Canadian energy sector."[24]

September 21, 2007 The National Energy Board of Canada approved the construction of the Canadian section of the pipeline, including converting a portion of TransCanada's Canadian Mainline gas pipeline to crude oil pipeline, on September 21, 2007.[23]

'March 17, 2008 During the final year of the Presidency of George W. Bush, the United States Department of State issued a Presidential Permit authorizing the construction, maintenance and operation of facilities at the United States and Canada border.[25]

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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Thu 09 Apr 2020, 15:42:31

This is from the Alberta government's propaganda War Room.
As a producer primarily of heavy oil and synthetic oil derived from the oil sands, Canada has a unique opportunity in this market, says Phil Skolnick, analyst with Eight Capital.

“Most of the demand globally where the growth is happening is actually on the heavy oil side [including synthetic oil],” Skolnick says.

That’s largely because of new oil-based petrochemical projects in Asia. Eight Capital research found that over the next five years, approximately 3.2 million barrels per day of additional heavy and medium oil demand will come online as a result. Canada’s current oil sands production is approximately 3 million barrels per day.

“The increase in petrochemical demand is partly driven by electric vehicles because those are largely made of plastic. China wants to also be the leader in polyester exports, so that requires petrochemicals. All these things really require the heavy barrels because of components that just are not in light oil,” Skolnick says.

They are trying to promote bitumen as a premium product, despite it's much higher CO2 emissions.

Is anyone else saying this about heavy oil?
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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Thu 09 Apr 2020, 16:27:24

They are trying to promote bitumen as a premium product, despite it's much higher CO2 emissions.


not really, they are suggesting that heavy oil or bitumen as you refer to it is a necessary product for various petrochemical end products. It cannot be replaced by lighter fractions so the emissions associated is neither here nor there. That heavy oil is also required by US LTO producers who wish to sell to US refineries as it is the only means of getting the blend that meets refinery specs. So a 50/50 blend of CAD heavy with US LTO negates any real differences noted in emissions by the time a barrel is received at the refinery.
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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby jawagord » Thu 16 Apr 2020, 08:35:33

Obama nominated judge strikes again. This time Morris’s ruling may have unintended consequences on other projects.
Judge Brian Morris said the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers failed to adequately consider effects on endangered species such as pallid sturgeon, a massive, dinosaur-like fish that lives in rivers the pipeline would cross.
The ruling, however, does not shut down work that has begun at the U.S.-Canada border crossing in Montana, according to attorneys in the case. Pipeline sponsor TC Energy will need the permit for future construction across hundreds of rivers and streams along Keystone's 1,200-mile (1,930-kilometre) route.

The Keystone authorization came under a so-called nationwide permit issued by the Corps in 2017, essentially giving blanket approval to pipeline or similar utility projects with minimal effects on waterways.
The cancellation could have broader implications because it appears to invalidate dredging work for any project authorized under the 2017 permit, said attorney Jared Margolis with the Center for Biological Diversity, another plaintiff in the case. It's unclear what projects would be included.



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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Thu 16 Apr 2020, 09:09:55

jaw - The increase in pipeline capacity required no physical work to the border crossing section. But did require approval of President Obama. Good luck searching for confirmation. IMHO the MSM did all it could to avoid letting the public know about it.
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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby jawagord » Thu 16 Apr 2020, 11:27:30

ROCKMAN wrote:jaw - The increase in pipeline capacity required no physical work to the border crossing section. But did require approval of President Obama. Good luck searching for confirmation. IMHO the MSM did all it could to avoid letting the public know about it.


Maybe it happened like this?

Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel: Okay, sir, uh, you sign this top form, then initial all the rest.

President Obama : Initial, Rahm?

Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel : Oh, yes, sir. Your initials signify that instead of signing, you initialed. Uh, then you have to sign this form, which states that you merely initialed the forms that required signing. Then after you've signed, you put your initial where you signed so that people will know that you okayed your signature with your initial.

President Obama : Rahm, tell me the truth. Do you understand any of this?

Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel : Uh, I try not to, sir. It slows up the work.
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