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THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 03 Apr 2016, 16:34:04

The prior section of this thread can be found,

the-oceans-seas-thread-pt-2-merged-t59250.html
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 03 Apr 2016, 22:40:40

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... 620?page=2

Let's start off with an oldie but goodie, prescient, really, given what we've learned since about the likelihood of accelerated sea level rise:

Goodbye, Miami
By century's end, rising sea levels will turn the nation's urban fantasyland into an American Atlantis. But long before the city is completely underwater, chaos will begin


When the water receded after Hurricane Milo of 2030, there was a foot of sand covering the famous bow-tie floor in the lobby of the Fontaine­bleau hotel in Miami Beach. A dead manatee floated in the pool where Elvis had once swum. Most of the damage occurred not from the hurricane's 175-mph winds, but from the 24-foot storm surge that overwhelmed the low-lying city. In South Beach, the old art-deco­ buildings were swept off their foundations. Mansions on Star Island were flooded up to their cut-glass doorknobs. A 17-mile stretch of Highway A1A that ran along the famous beaches up to Fort Lauderdale disappeared into the Atlantic. The storm knocked out the wastewater-treatment plant on Virginia Key, forcing the city to dump hundreds of millions of gallons of raw sewage into Biscayne Bay. Tampons and condoms littered the beaches, and the stench of human excrement stoked fears of cholera. More than 800 people died, many of them swept away by the surging waters that submerged much of Miami Beach and Fort Lauderdale; 13 people were killed in traffic accidents as they scrambled to escape the city after the news spread – falsely, it turned out – that one of the nuclear reactors at Turkey Point, an aging power plant 24 miles south of Miami, had been destroyed by the surge and sent a radioactive cloud over the city.

The president, of course, said Miami would be back, that the hurricane did not kill the city, and that Americans did not give up. But it was clear to those not fooling themselves that this storm was the beginning of the end. With sea levels more than a foot higher than they'd been at the dawn of the century, South Florida was wet, vulnerable and bankrupt. Attempts had been made to armor the coastline, to build sea walls and elevate buildings, but it was a futile undertaking. The coastline from Miami Beach up to Jupiter had been a little more than a series of rugged limestone crags since the mid-2020s, when the state, unable to lay out $100 million every few years to pump in fresh sand, had given up trying to save South Florida's world-famous­ beaches. In that past decade, tourist visits had plummeted by 40 percent, even after the Florida legislature agreed to allow casino gambling in a desperate attempt to raise revenue for storm protection. The city of Homestead, in southern Miami-Dade County, which had been flattened by Hurricane Andrew in 1992, had to be completely abandoned. Thousands of tract homes were bulldozed because they were a public health hazard. In the parts of the county that were still inhabitable, only the wealthiest could afford to insure their homes. Mortgages were nearly impossible to get, mostly because banks didn't believe the homes would be there in 30 years. At high tide, many roads were impassable, even for the most modern semiaquatic vehicles.

But Hurricane Milo was unexpectedly devastating. Because sea-level­ rise had already pushed the water table so high, it took weeks for the storm waters to recede. Salt water corroded underground wiring, leaving parts of the city dark for months. Drinking-water­ wells were ruined. Interstate 95 was clogged with cars and trucks stuffed with animals and personal belongings, as hundreds of thousands of people fled north to Orlando, the highest ground in central Florida. Developers drew up plans for new buildings on stilts, but few were built. A new flexible carbon-fiber­ bridge was proposed to link Miami Beach with the mainland, but the bankrupt city couldn't secure financing and the project fell apart. The skyscrapers that had gone up during the Obama years were gradually abandoned and used as staging grounds for drug runners and exotic-animal traffickers. A crocodile nested in the ruins of the Pérez Art Museum.

And still, the waters kept rising, nearly a foot each decade. By the latter end of the 21st century, Miami became something else entirely: a popular snorkeling spot where people could swim with sharks and sea turtles and explore the wreckage of a great American city...

...Sea-level rise is not a hypothetical disaster. It is a physical fact of life on a warming planet, the basic dynamics of which even a child can understand: Heat melts ice. Since the 1920s, the global average sea level has risen about nine inches, mostly from the thermal expansion of the ocean water. But thanks to our 200-year-long fossil-fuel binge, the great ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica are starting to melt rapidly now, causing the rate of sea-level rise to grow exponentially. The latest research, including an assessment by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, suggests that sea level could rise more than six feet by the end of the century. James Hansen, the godfather of global-warming science, has argued that it could increase as high as 16 feet by then – and Wanless believes that it could continue rising a foot each decade after that. "With six feet of sea-level rise, South Florida is toast," says Tom Gustafson, a former Florida speaker of the House and a climate-change-policy advocate. Even if we cut carbon pollution overnight, it won't save us. Ohio State glaciologist Jason Box has said he believes we already have 70 feet of sea-level rise baked into the system.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sun 03 Apr 2016, 23:22:31

From the sidebar of the Alaskan Seabird Die-off article at Energy News.

100% death rate of baby seals on California coast — “None have survived” — “Many are starving, suffering from shortage of food in Pacific Ocean” — “Extremely thin… all sorts of illnesses, infections” — “Milkless moms immediately abandoning pups” — TV: “The problem is getting worse” (VIDEOS)
Local Official: Alarm over very sick animals washing ashore in Alaska — Fish bleeding from face, bloody entrails coming out of body — “We are very much aware of the possibility of radiation from Fukushima affecting ocean life” (PHOTOS)
TV: Radiation in ocean off Fukushima at highest levels in years — Out of control leakage coming from plant — ‘Big spikes’ in radioactivity observed — “Surprising… Concerning… Crisis” — 1,000s of tons of contaminated liquid being released — Scientists: Japan gov’t covering up situation (AUDIO)


Alaska is very close to Japan. (look at a globe) The Kuroshio current runs past Japan to Alaska.

Hey, Cog, how about some Alaskan Pollock? Bon Apetit!
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dissident » Mon 04 Apr 2016, 20:36:46

Cid_Yama wrote:From the sidebar of the Alaskan Seabird Die-off article at Energy News.

100% death rate of baby seals on California coast — “None have survived” — “Many are starving, suffering from shortage of food in Pacific Ocean” — “Extremely thin… all sorts of illnesses, infections” — “Milkless moms immediately abandoning pups” — TV: “The problem is getting worse” (VIDEOS)
Local Official: Alarm over very sick animals washing ashore in Alaska — Fish bleeding from face, bloody entrails coming out of body — “We are very much aware of the possibility of radiation from Fukushima affecting ocean life” (PHOTOS)
TV: Radiation in ocean off Fukushima at highest levels in years — Out of control leakage coming from plant — ‘Big spikes’ in radioactivity observed — “Surprising… Concerning… Crisis” — 1,000s of tons of contaminated liquid being released — Scientists: Japan gov’t covering up situation (AUDIO)


Alaska is very close to Japan. (look at a globe) The Kuroshio current runs past Japan to Alaska.

Hey, Cog, how about some Alaskan Pollock? Bon Apetit!


Given the transport timescales, the large radiation dumping by Japan into the Pacific in 2011 has now fully worked its way to the waters south of Alaska and down the BC coast.

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/a ... ents/43196

https://youtu.be/6Qqd-6N6kjY

Note the colour scale in the above video. The radiation is over 10 Bq/m^3 but under 60 Bq/m^3. Here are some relevant radiation numbers:

http://www.physics.isu.edu/radinf/natural.htm

The west coast is currently stressed by high temperature waters which are increasing disease and decreasing food in the surface marine ecosystem. Fukushima is not the source of the problem but global warming is.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... ia-pacific

All you anti-nuclear hysterics just love to twist the facts.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby americandream » Mon 04 Apr 2016, 20:44:34

I would call them anti-modern hysterics....many whom I suspect have a hankering for the old days when a woman knew her place and the rest were either hewing wood or drawing well water.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby kiwichick » Sat 16 Apr 2016, 16:30:53

anyone know when the next reading on SST 's is due ??
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 21 Apr 2016, 12:08:50

http://www.takepart.com/video/2016/04/1 ... ode-2-clip

Bangladesh's coastal residents are forced to relocate inland after rising sea levels wipe out their towns

"Every hour, another 11 Bangladeshis arrive [in Dhaka] after loosing their homes to rising sea levels."

!!!

So about 100,000 people are losing their homes to sea level rise every year in this one country!

Too bad we don't here more about this. IIRC, there are similar numbers of srl climate refugees in Pakistan.

I'm guessing globally its at least a million a year already, but I'd love to see any stats anyone finds from actual studies.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 21 Apr 2016, 15:06:02

Doh,

Does it really surprise you? Humans are the one resource we have in super abundance, life is cheap.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 21 Apr 2016, 15:25:47

I just hadn't hear these particular numbers.

And of course it's rather easy to be sanguine about such dislocations when it isn't oneself being affected.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby onlooker » Thu 28 Apr 2016, 18:25:16

The anticipated effect from GW is now be cataloged and observed as climate change is Driving Ocean Oxygen Levels Down, And That’s a Big Problem For Marine Ecosystems
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/0 ... ecreasing/
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 16:11:17

https://robertscribbler.com/2016/04/28/ ... ment-76742

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Global Temperature Increase To Lower Oxygen Content of Most Ocean Zones by the 2030s

Loss of oxygen in the world’s oceans. It’s one of those really, really bad effects of a human-forced warming of our Earth. One of the those climate monsters in the closet...

Scientists know that a warming climate can be expected to gradually sap the ocean of oxygen, leaving fish, crabs, squid, sea stars, and other marine life struggling to breathe.


...The worst of these toxin-generating microbes are the hydrogen-sulfide producing bacteria. An ancient organism that is incompatible with oxygen-dependent life. A horror out of deep time that has tended to crop up again and again on the list of usual suspects of major hothouse extinction killers. A likely perpetrator of the big ocean and land die offs during pretty much all global warming based extinctions. An organism that dominated the world’s seas and likely vented its deadly gasses into the airs of the world of the Permian — during the worst die-off Earth has ever seen.

In short, hydrogen sulfide is deadly to almost all forms of life that currently dominate the world’s oceans, lands, and airs. And the bacteria that produces hydrogen sulfide requires oxygen-poor environments in which to grow and thrive. A world ocean high in oxygen keeps these little killers hidden away in the deep, dark corners of our Earth. But heat the world ocean up. Deprive it of oxygen. And they start to come out and become a threat
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 16:55:40

http://www.inquisitr.com/3045950/distur ... -15-years/
Disturbing New Study Shows The Pacific Ocean May Suffocate In Just 15 Years
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby Timo » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 18:27:14

The loss oxygen in the Pacific = loss of fish from coastal areas = human starvation like we've never seen before. We may see the OP yet, sooner than we thought.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 18:35:54

Timo wrote:The loss oxygen in the Pacific = loss of fish from coastal areas = human starvation like we've never seen before. We may see the OP yet, sooner than we thought.

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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 18:37:09

Good points, Ti. Note:

"In 2010, fish provided more than 2.9 billion people with almost 20% of their intake of animal protein, and a further 4.3 billion people with about 15 % of such protein.

In some countries, fish accounts for more than 25% of animal protein intake."

So if fish go away, you deprive 6.2 billion people of 15-20% of their animal protein intake.

And of course mere over-fishing is a more immediate threat to fish stocks.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 04 May 2016, 20:43:27

Florida’s corals are in worse shape than expected. More bad news, and as usual things are worse, and happening faster, than previously thought.

“We don’t have as much time as we previously thought,” said Chris Langdon, a professor at the University of Miami and a senior author of the study. “The reefs are beginning to dissolve away.”

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... ate-change
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby kiwichick » Sat 07 May 2016, 02:01:29

April sea surface temperature anomaly SMASHES RECORD

beats previous record by more than 0.2 degrees C

www.bom.gov.au
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby onlooker » Thu 12 May 2016, 03:35:51

KILLER OCEAN
The Killer Seas Begin — Mass Marine Death off Chile as Ocean Acidification Begins to Take Down Florida’s Reef
https://robertscribbler.com/2016/05/12/ ... ign=buffer
All part of a Mass Extinction process, and it sure is beginning to seem like we have surely kicked off just that a MASS EXTINCTION. Sorry for all the dramatization but I think this info deserves it. 8O
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby onlooker » Thu 12 May 2016, 07:54:19

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/05/all ... lanet.html
All Of A Sudden, Fish Are Dying By The MILLIONS All Over The Planet
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 14 May 2016, 13:53:51

...recent data...indicates sea levels could rise by roughly 3 meters or 9 feet by 2050-2060, far higher and quicker than current projections.

Until now most projections have warned of seal level rise of up to 4 feet by 2100.


http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/na ... 405089.htm
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