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Re: THE Tesla Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby kublikhan » Wed 25 Sep 2019, 19:05:48

Plantagenet wrote:I just googled on the truck fire and found.......an older story about a car-carrier truck full of Teslas that burned up in Nevada back in August.

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In this case Tesla blamed the fire on the brakes on the trailer, which supposedly caught fire and burned up 7 Teslas on the back of the truck. Wow! That must have been one heck of a large brake fire, especially when you consider that brake pads are inflammable and so is brake fluid. And even more mysteriously, the tires on the trailer seen OK! Somehow the brake fire didn't touch the tires, but instead only burned things up in the trailer. And what was in the truck trailer? There were the charred remains of 7 Teslas, all completely incinerated!!!

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Tesla really should fix its cars AND take better care of it's delivery trucks. Thats two big truck fires in two months!! Tesla is burning up hundreds of thousands of dollars of inventory just trying to truck the cars to the buyers.
It's not mysterious. Brakes can overheat all the time. Especially in a large truck like a car hauler. Here's some other car hauler fires from the brakes catching fire. No Tesla's this time, yet cars are still gutted.

With cars catching fire and some exploding while being transported on a semitruck along southbound I-75 Tuesday, Woodhaven Fire Chief Michael Clark said an investigation has pinpointed the cause. Clark said Wednesday that the brakes on the car hauler overheated, which caused the wheels to overheat. He said the tires caught fire and then the blaze began to spread to the cars. Clark said some of the vehicles had gasoline in the tank, and that is why they exploded. According to Clark, the truck driver made the initial 911 call upon realizing the cars were on fire. The fire chief spoke with the truck driver as the fire departments worked to put out the blaze. “I think he was a little surprised how fast is spread”
Fire chief pinpoints reason car hauler burst into flames traveling down I-75 in Woodhaven

A semi truck hauling cars stopped traffic on Monday morning, after its trailer brakes caught fire. It happened on Route 2 in Lancaster, Massachusetts. According to firefighter Scott LaPrade, the fire started when the semi truck’s brakes overheated, setting one of the hauled cars ablaze. Sentinel & Enterprise reported that several of the hauled cars were damaged as the fire spread. Smoke clouded the sky and traffic was slowed as a result.
Car hauler’s brakes catch fire, leading to chain reaction crash

A hauler truck carrying six vehicles caught fire overnight Tuesday on I-10 in Harrison County, shutting down the interstate while firefighters put out the flames. Harrison County Fire Chief Pat Sullivan said it happened in the westbound lane near mile marker 22, just west of Menge Avenue. The hauler was transporting eight cars from Florida to Texas when the rear brakes on the truck caught fire. The flames quickly spread to six of the eight cars.

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Re: THE Tesla Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 25 Sep 2019, 19:25:58

OK, Kub. Fair enough. Very counter-intuitive to me how the fire would spread to the cars and the truck look so pristine (in the Tesla case), but maybe that's what happened.

With Tesla battery packs though, and the way they burn, once one of those gets going, it's pretty much game over for any other nearby cars without MAJOR fire suppression quickly.

Two of these a month apart seems like a lot, with both hauling Teslas. These things happen, but it's not like I frequently don't get my goods delivered because the truck caught on fire.
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Re: THE Tesla Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby StarvingLion » Fri 27 Sep 2019, 11:50:25

Hi Baby, would you like to take a ride in my *hot* Tesla?...HAHAHAHAHAHA. Hello Lawyer, I want to update my will; no longer require cremation service...thats what Tesla CV (Cremation Vehicle) is for...Hahahaha.

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Re: THE Tesla Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby StarvingLion » Fri 27 Sep 2019, 12:53:34

What happened to baha?

Answer: He loaded up on TSLA stock. It crashed. Wife declared him a Financial Idiot for buying a $40K EV thats worth $5K. Divorced him.

Conclusion: baha was last seen at the local Food Bank mumbling shit about climate change. Next Stop: Bridge, then jump into water
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Re: THE Tesla Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby dolanbaker » Sun 29 Sep 2019, 06:37:37

Plantagenet wrote:I just googled on the truck fire and found.......an older story about a car-carrier truck full of Teslas that burned up in Nevada back in August.

trailer-full-burnt-teslas-found-mysteriously-parked-i-80-nevada-

In this case Tesla blamed the fire on the brakes on the trailer, which supposedly caught fire and burned up 7 Teslas on the back of the truck. Wow! That must have been one heck of a large brake fire, especially when you consider that brake pads are inflammable and so is brake fluid. And even more mysteriously, the tires on the trailer seen OK! Somehow the brake fire didn't touch the tires, but instead only burned things up in the trailer. And what was in the truck trailer? There were the charred remains of 7 Teslas, all completely incinerated!!!

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Tesla really should fix its cars AND take better care of it's delivery trucks. Thats two big truck fires in two months!! Tesla is burning up hundreds of thousands of dollars of inventory just trying to truck the cars to the buyers.


It's worth remembering that some trailers have inboard brakes, that is the brakes are not in the wheel hub, but half way along the axle between the wheels. This means thay could completely burn out without touching the tyres. Another thing to consider is the fact that EV's are generally significantly heavier than ICE cars due to the weight of the battery. Car transporter companies probably need to reevaluate the loadings on their vehicles and carry one car less to avoid the possible overloading that is causing the brakes to overheat.
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Re: THE Tesla Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Mon 30 Sep 2019, 14:03:58

dolanbaker wrote:Car transporter companies probably need to reevaluate the loadings on their vehicles and carry one car less to avoid the possible overloading that is causing the brakes to overheat.

That's a point worth considering. I suppose it matters how how much margin such trucks are designed for. And perhaps the expected terrain for the delivery. Typical Indiana terrain is far different than, say, a Rocky Mountain pass.

You'd think such things should be obvious to a trucking company, but with the tendency to maximize profit and minimize employee pay (where the perception is it "won't matter") to get that profit -- perhaps not.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: THE Tesla Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby mousepad » Mon 30 Sep 2019, 15:58:44

Outcast_Searcher wrote:
dolanbaker wrote:Car transporter companies probably need to reevaluate the loadings on their vehicles and carry one car less to avoid the possible overloading that is causing the brakes to overheat.

That's a point worth considering. I suppose it matters how how much margin such trucks are designed for. And perhaps the expected terrain for the delivery. Typical Indiana terrain is far different than, say, a Rocky Mountain pass.

You'd think such things should be obvious to a trucking company, but with the tendency to maximize profit and minimize employee pay (where the perception is it "won't matter") to get that profit -- perhaps not.


What about drivers who actually know how to drive a truck?
You know, jake brake, and shifting to lower gears when going down a mountain pass. The good old skill of actually driving a truck.
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Re: THE Tesla Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 30 Sep 2019, 16:15:27

Lets look at all the facts concerning the car carriers whose brakes are catching on fire and burning up truckloads of Teslas.

We actually don't know if these faulty trailers are owned by independent trucking companies, or if they are owned by Tesla itself.

tesla-buys-car-carrier-hauling-trucks-trailers

Yup....earlier this year Tesla filed a form with the SEC concerning their purchase of trucks and car transport trailers to be used in transporting and delivering new Teslas.

The form states: As part of Tesla’s ongoing logistics strategy to increase its vehicle transport capacity, reduce vehicle transportation time, and improve the timeliness of scheduled deliveries, Tesla agreed to issue shares of Tesla’s common stock in connection with its acquisition of certain car-hauling trucks and trailers from Central Valley Auto Transport, Inc. (“Central Valley” or the “selling stockholder”), an automotive transport provider.

Elon Musk himself said that Tesla was moving from "Production hell" to "Logistics hell" as the company struggled to deliver Teslas to buyers. Hence Tesla bought its own delivery trucks last March.

This means there is a good chance that the trucks and trailers that burned up at least two loads of Teslas were actually owned by Tesla.

Perhaps Elon Musk will now put regenerative brakes on the Tesla trucks and car transport trailers.....at the least he should maintain their brakes a bit better.

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Its just another truckload of Teslas burning up along I-80 in Nevada. Nothing to worry about.....

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Re: THE Tesla Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby GHung » Mon 30 Sep 2019, 16:29:11

Plantagenet wrote:Lets look at all the facts .......


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Re: THE Tesla Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 30 Sep 2019, 19:15:00

GHung wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:Lets look at all the facts .......


Gosh. Is Planty turning over a new leaf?


Hi Gungie.

No one is perfect. Every day I try to do something positive.

You can turn over a new leaf too. Just try to post some interesting and factual instead of your usual content-free ad homs.

Its really easy to do....just copy the format in my post above discussing the recent SEC filing by Tesla.

Try posting about something factual instead of your usual ad hom attacks, then provide a link in your post to document those facts, and then express your own opinion or add a witty bon hom or highlight some aspect of the facts for additional discussion in the thread.

Before you know you're having an actual conversation. Try it....I know you can do it if you try.

OK---here's your chance......If you've got any facts to contribute to this discussion please post them now.

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Re: THE Tesla Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby asg70 » Mon 30 Sep 2019, 19:30:40

Plantagenet wrote:Before you know you're having an actual conversation.


So bash his post as ad hom while slinging your using passive-aggressive patronizing attitude. Typical hypocrisy.

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Re: THE Tesla Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 30 Sep 2019, 20:28:12

asg70 wrote: .... ad hom...


You too can make posts that actually contain facts instead of just ad homs, asg/mos/ennui.

Why not try it?

Who knows....it might even lead to actual conversations.

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Unread postby asg70 » Mon 30 Sep 2019, 20:47:13

Plant, if you have something you want to say to me 1 on 1, take it to PM because it's polluting this thread. Any more of this and I start flagging.

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Re: THE Tesla Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Mon 30 Sep 2019, 21:02:13

mousepad wrote:
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dolanbaker wrote:Car transporter companies probably need to reevaluate the loadings on their vehicles and carry one car less to avoid the possible overloading that is causing the brakes to overheat.

That's a point worth considering. I suppose it matters how how much margin such trucks are designed for. And perhaps the expected terrain for the delivery. Typical Indiana terrain is far different than, say, a Rocky Mountain pass.

You'd think such things should be obvious to a trucking company, but with the tendency to maximize profit and minimize employee pay (where the perception is it "won't matter") to get that profit -- perhaps not.


What about drivers who actually know how to drive a truck?
You know, jake brake, and shifting to lower gears when going down a mountain pass. The good old skill of actually driving a truck.

Are you implying that such skill means weight won't impact brake performance? Yeah, things like engine braking (by using a lower gear) will help -- it even helps with an automatic in a sedan -- but that doesn't mean things like the weight of the cargo doesn't matter.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: THE Tesla Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby mousepad » Tue 01 Oct 2019, 06:10:51

Outcast_Searcher wrote:
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What about drivers who actually know how to drive a truck?
You know, jake brake, and shifting to lower gears when going down a mountain pass. The good old skill of actually driving a truck.

Are you implying that such skill means weight won't impact brake performance? Yeah, things like engine braking (by using a lower gear) will help -- it even helps with an automatic in a sedan -- but that doesn't mean things like the weight of the cargo doesn't matter.


A skilled driver understands his load and he understands the limits of his truck. You can feel when brakes are pushed too far, because they loose effectiveness. A skilled driver knows how to listen to the little things the machine tells him.

Coasting down on high gear from a mountain pass while constantly braking is surely going to set any brakes on fire. Even car brakes can be made to glow red in such situations.

It all comes down to how skilled you are a the job you do.
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Re: THE Tesla Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Tue 01 Oct 2019, 10:21:23

mousepad wrote:
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What about drivers who actually know how to drive a truck?
You know, jake brake, and shifting to lower gears when going down a mountain pass. The good old skill of actually driving a truck.

Are you implying that such skill means weight won't impact brake performance? Yeah, things like engine braking (by using a lower gear) will help -- it even helps with an automatic in a sedan -- but that doesn't mean things like the weight of the cargo doesn't matter.


A skilled driver understands his load and he understands the limits of his truck. You can feel when brakes are pushed too far, because they loose effectiveness. A skilled driver knows how to listen to the little things the machine tells him.

Coasting down on high gear from a mountain pass while constantly braking is surely going to set any brakes on fire. Even car brakes can be made to glow red in such situations.

It all comes down to how skilled you are a the job you do.

Skill certainly matters. Weight certainly matters. And we know from observing semi-truck drivers that some truck drivers are very good, and unfortunately, some are VERY bad. (For two examples of errors showing bad ones, I've nearly been hit by one making a turn with no warning and only avoided it by being more agile (in my car -- I figured it would be embarrassing and total my car, to let a semi truck hit me). Or nearly knocked off a mountain (knob in Appalachia) as a child by one coming around a blind corner on a country road on the WRONG side of the road. Luckily, my dad stopped dead right next to the guard rail, and the idiot barely missed us. That one would have killed 4 out on a boy scout trip.)

I wonder how skilled the average truck driver is being hired for Musk's fleet, given the ways Tesla is trying to conserve cash.
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Re: THE Tesla Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby mousepad » Tue 01 Oct 2019, 16:37:22

Outcast_Searcher wrote:Weight certainly matters.


The weight limit is 80k lbs on US roads, it's 40kg on european roads. Trucks are made for this weight and trucks are loaded as close to this limit as possible.

It's the drivers responsibility (and skill) to judge conditions and situations such that the equipment is operated within safe margins at all times. It's very much possible to drive a fully loaded truck from NY to LA without damaging the truck. It's also very much possible to floor the truck in 1st gear on I78 just west of NYC and damage the engine 1h into the ride.

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Re: THE Tesla Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 02 Oct 2019, 17:00:16

Tesla stock tumbles after fall in car deliveries...

tesla-stock-tumbles-after-disappointing-q3-deliveries

I wonder if Tesla counts all the cars that burned up in the two car-carrier truck fires along the side of the freeway in Nevada as deliveries or not? Those cars did go out the door so maybe they can be counted.......???

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Re: THE Tesla Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby asg70 » Wed 02 Oct 2019, 18:36:25

I have to admit that I have stopped watching every move with Tesla. I thought they were near death when all of its executive started fleeing and its stock tanked but they seem to be able to limp onward like a zombie.

I think the more telling bellwether for Tesla is the rollout of competitors. Hyundai/Kia can't/won't sell enough to make a dent, but VW for one definitely will. The ID.3 in particular is now starting up manufacturing. Also in Europe only, the new Renault Zoe with over 200 mile range has unprecedented bang for the buck. The competition is going to just keep accumulating relentlessly.

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Re: THE Tesla Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby StarvingLion » Fri 04 Oct 2019, 11:26:22

The competition is going to just keep accumulating relentlessly.


What competition? They're all rebranded chicom EV's.

I guess the competition is to see who goes bankrupt first: VW or Renault.

VW shares have been dropping like a rock in the past 5 days.
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