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Re: Stem Cell Burger, its whats for dinner

Unread postby Ibon » Fri 03 Apr 2015, 12:01:58

My daughter is working on a stand at a farmers market in SFO on the weekends that sells mealy worm snacks. When a person comes to the stand she asks them, " You want to taste the future?"
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Clean Meat (i.e. grown in a lab)

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 23 Mar 2018, 13:16:32

First, I did some searches and found a lot of "clean" and "meat" as separate words in various posts, but didn't find "clean meat" anywhere at all recent. If I missed something (apologies) and mods want to move this to the appropriate forum/topic, by all means proceed.

I saw this today:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/23/bill-ga ... artup.html

Vegetarians have long touted the ethical and environmental problems with meat production and consumption. Start-ups such as MosaMeat, JUST and Memphis Meats are tissue-engineering meat in a lab to allow people to enjoy being a carnivore without any of the environmental or ethical hang-ups.

Dubbed clean meat, the efforts are distinct from "fake meat," like the soy protein "chicken" you can find in your grocery store today. Unlike Morningstar or Boca Burgers, clean meat really is meat; it just grows in a lab instead of being part of an animal. But lab-grown meat leads most skeptical diners to think of a big hurdle: taste.

"When they taste the product, they have to have the experience of meat, not the experience of a product that looks like meat and comes close to meat or has the distinct hints of something that looks like meat," said Peter Verstrate, the CEO of MosaMeat. "It just has to be meat."

"The ultimate filter is, 'Does it taste exactly like the meat you're used to?'" said Josh Tetrick, CEO of clean meat start-up JUST, who already tasted success with JUST Mayo.

There are two business-world barometers for clean-meat products that are make-or-break as well: price and scale.

So the main issue, as is common for start-ups and new technology is PRICE. The secondary issue will be public acceptance, though if the meat is truly meat and shown to be safe, aside from the usual "GMO scary scary" crowd, cheap lab grown meat would likely be fine with lots of folks (at the right price) if it is officially FDA, etc. approved. And I'd bet once the initial public uninformed screeching debate died down and people see that it is just meat and people don't drop like flies when eating it for a few to several years, that it will be widely consumed (at the right price) -- just like food containing GMO's.

Obviously, this is years away from (approved product in volume) reality, but it is interesting in that it solved much of the land and energy and AGW issues.

So it this the usual corny vs. fast crash doomer debate? The "it's nirvana" vs "it could never possibly happen, since it would solve some problems"?

Even if it works great at moderate cost and feeds billions, it is, after all, still just a can-kick in the overall picture, IMO. However, it would be a great example of why all the histrionics of imminent global starvation by the fast crash doomers (who are prone to persistenting discounting technological progress and benefits) really don't belong in the "fast crash" column, at least for now.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: Clean Meat (i.e. grown in a lab)

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 23 Mar 2018, 13:21:40

FWIW, doing a google search on "clean meat" it certainly appears to me that this is trying to go mainstream, at least in terms of research. Names with money like Tyson are involved.

Nervous beef producers are trying to protect their market via legal means.

http://www.businessinsider.com/beef-com ... ups-2018-2

There are decent articles that argue this is inevitable.

https://www.wired.com/story/lab-grown-meat/
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: Clean Meat (i.e. grown in a lab)

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 23 Mar 2018, 20:37:16

We have discussed the concept of lab grown meat a bit, that thread is;
Lab Meat Thread

If you want me to fold your topic into that thread I shall, if not that is fine as well.
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Re: Clean Meat (i.e. grown in a lab)

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sat 24 Mar 2018, 04:30:37

Thanks Tanada. I read that thread, and folding this into that seems right, as it's just an update to the news (with different terminology).

I should have tried searching for a bunch of other terms, I guess, but "clean meat" sounded like such a sensible term, given the AGW issue, I was kind of stunned not seeing it, given the controversy and discussions on this site about how humans are "destroying the planet", etc. by eating meat.
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