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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 25 Jun 2025, 21:45:21

theluckycountry wrote:You're wasting your keyboard adam, windpower is dead, is being abandoned by governments and utilities all over the world.


Not sure what strawman you have assembled for me now. I don't have much of an opinion on wind power, but I am interested in some solar panels when the salesmen come back in September. Told them I wanted to see the efficiency of the new place in terms of electrical useage because of the A/C load before I decided if I wanted them.

I already get an excellent utility rate for nighttime charging, so panels are a different economic calculation. Had them before, but also a far less efficient place.

You claimed once to have panels, is your objection to all forms of renewables, or is wind what your local neonazi club requires to be a whipping boy for some reason?
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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 26 Jun 2025, 09:21:41

A good fanboi article about *renewable batteries* displacing Gas generated power during nightly peak usage times, they are getting cheaper too! Well of course, now the EV demand has collapsed there is a huge oversupply :lol:
Will they still be cheap in 3 or 5 years? Certainly not if they are made in America but likely not if they are made anywhere. You see they don't actually grow on trees like apples, but are made in power hungry factories.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-Gene ... -2020.html

But it's the sort of article kub would post to "prove" rebuildables are going to rule the world.
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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby AdamB » Thu 26 Jun 2025, 13:50:43

theluckycountry wrote:A good fanboi article about how gay neoNazis are taking over Australia and trying to direct forum readers to reddits to convert them to teh wonders of same sex loving.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-Gene ... -2020.html


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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 26 Jun 2025, 23:28:20

You miss kub don't you adam. [smilie=5baby.gif]
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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 02 Jul 2025, 08:24:45

theluckycountry wrote:You miss kub don't you adam. [smilie=5baby.gif]


I miss all the quality posters on both sides of the issues that once roamed here. The topic died for a reason, and those who knew it in real time were generally despised, banned, had their entire posting histories erased lest the information contained therein leak by accident into some true believers mind and cause doubt. It is nice to have been right, and have seen this issue from its early 21st century form into the current run down, discredited and laughable state, and be one of the last posters standing. Unfortunate indeed that with quality posters mostly gone, all that is left are mindless parrots.
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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 04 Jul 2025, 19:19:12

As the world continues to install new airconditioners and ever bigger flat screen TV sets, the vaunted Wind power solution is going the way of the EV. Though it's demise will be a lot deeper since it doesn't have millions of hypnotized consumers still lining up to buy into it.

Norway's Equinor scales back climate ambitions as wind changes

If anyone can afford these Norway can, but they are rejecting them, because they are not cost effective.
...The oil and gas producer in 2022 laid out short- and medium-term steps intended to achieve net zero emissions, including those from the use of its products, by 2050.
But in February, it scrapped a pledge to devote more than 50% of its gross capital expenditure to renewables and low-carbon solutions by 2030. "The energy transition has started, but the opportunity set for high-value growth is more limited than we had anticipated," Equinor CEO Anders Opedal said on Thursday.

He cited increased costs, supply chain challenges, and delays by authorities in setting the necessary framework conditions, as well as a shift in governments' priorities. "Due to the geopolitical tension, public spending on defence will increase, leaving less funding available for the energy transition,"
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 025-03-20/

Ahhh, defense spending, good cover story eh? But I thought renewables were supposed to be cheaper? If so they would have left in more money for defense spending in their wake. Isn't renewable energy supposed to be much cheaper? Seems not. When you reach the level of Lies pushed on the public today you can't hope to make them all tidy. There are huge gaps in the narrative that one can look through to see the truth. Just look at the Lies told about EV charger buildouts, blatant, but now it's over, who looks back to challenge the Lies? People don't want to discuss it, certainly not in this echo chamber.

Shell shifts focus from offshore wind to higher-return activities

Same story here.
The shift comes as the offshore wind sector faces rising costs and supply chain issues. A Shell spokesperson stated: “While we will not lead new offshore wind developments, we remain interested in offtakes where commercial terms are acceptable and are cautiously open to equity positions if there is a compelling investment case.”

Shell’s decision aligns with similar strategies by BP and Equinor, who have also slowed renewable investments due to investor pressure for higher returns. The energy shock from Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and declining profitability in renewables have influenced these decisions.
https://www.power-technology.com/news/s ... ctivities/

Energy shock from Putin? But that's higher Gas prices, Gas being what the Europeans have been relying on to generate electricity. So even with higher Gas prices Wind is unprofitable. Now look at nuclear power across Europe, Japan and America. In the last 30 years only a handful of plants have been built. Why? Because they are uneconomic of course, they were built with massive government subsidies and could never pay for themselves without hiking power prices to a level the average consumer couldn't afford. That's what's happening in Germany today with their Brain Dead renewable build out. Industry has fled Germany enmass because industry uses a lot of electricity and the can't afford the Renewable price of it. Households are cutting back too because they just can't afford it. Prices are double the rest of the continent.

Top brass from Germany's conservatives continued to call on the government to reduce the electricity tax for all businesses as well as private consumers, despite a decision in Berlin to only implement a cut for industry.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/politics/gove ... r-AA1HXb8a

Germany’s plans for selective electricity tax cut draw criticism https://www.power-technology.com/news/g ... criticism/

They are desperate, the nation is going the way it went in the 1930's, poverty. We all know how that ended :P

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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 04 Jul 2025, 19:24:00

Gone with the Wind: Is This the End for Wind Energy?
https://carboncredits.com/gone-with-the ... nd-energy/

Includes a section on China’s Offshore Wind Boom
The country’s state-owned enterprises benefit from low financing costs, subsidies, and locally produced components, enabling rapid deployment.

Ghost cities anyone? What happens in a centrally controlled communist dictatorship can't be applied to the world as a whole. Data out of China is meaningless, product out of China typically worthless.
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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 04 Jul 2025, 23:25:08

theluckycountry wrote:Norway's Equinor scales back climate ambitions as wind changes
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 025-03-20/
Shell shifts focus from offshore wind to higher-return activities

https://www.power-technology.com/news/s ... ctivities/
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/politics/gove ... r-AA1HXb8a

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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 05 Jul 2025, 21:47:35

Denmark is now the poster child for wind after Germany finally proved it's uneconomic. All the stories about wind's success center around Denmark. Let's look at one pack of Lies.

Stretching for nearly 43,000 square kilometers across the Jutland Peninsula and several hundred islands, Denmark has made a name for itself as a leader in the energy transition. In fact, the country had the largest share of electricity generation from wind and solar sources worldwide in 2022, at more than 60 percent. With the majority of electricity generation now coming from renewable energy sources, the Nordic country is making good progress on its goals of achieving net-zero emissions by 2045 and phasing out fossil fuels by 2050.
https://www.statista.com/topics/9864/el ... icOverview

it's not that they generate more than any other country in the world, it's just that their generation from wind/solar is 60% of all their generation. Australia would generate far more just from our rooftop solar. Denmark's population is only 6 million.

Of course this is internally generated electricity, and no mention is made of the imports :lol:
DK: Electricity: Imports data was reported at 2,245.096 GWh in Feb 2025. This records an increase from the previous number of 2,204.914 GWh for Jan 2025.
Electricity: Imports data is updated monthly, averaging 1,285.742 GWh from Jan 2008

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/denmark/ele ... onsumption

That's a lot of imported electricity? And by the lower average over the years it's increasing, a LOT. Let's look at their consumption shall we.
In February 2025, 3,175.303 GWh of electricity was available to the internal market, a decrease from 3,547.999 GWh in January 2025.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/991 ... o-denmark/

That's how much they consume. So 3,175 GWh consumed - 2,245 GWh imported = 930 GWh they actually produce, of which 60% is wind and solar. Denmark imports electricity from Sweden, Norway, Germany, and the Netherlands.

So you see, if you didn't investigate to import issue you'd assume, from all the Lying mainstream media stories, that Denmark got 60% of it's total electricity from alternate sources. Only 6 million people remember.

Exports? During 2023, the top exports from Denmark to United States were Packaged Medicaments ($4.51B), Vaccines, blood, antisera, toxins and cultures. They export a lot of food too, and are big ship builders, I'd say they could easily afford to waste a few billion on windmills. And that's all this is folks, a political bootlick to the Woke EU mantra about going renewable. Most Euro nations have already withdrawn the subsidies for EV and those sales are crashing. When the subsidies for this crap is pulled they will all tank too. It's already happening in the UK.

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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 05 Jul 2025, 21:50:58

theluckycountry wrote: Let's look at their consumption shall we.
In February 2025, 3,175.303 GWh of electricity was available to the internal market, a decrease from 3,547.999 GWh in January 2025.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/991 ... o-denmark/

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Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 05 Jul 2025, 22:23:21

Well that's enough blog posting for today, time for a ride in the hills, time to enjoy this lucky Country of ours. Keep safe everyone, and have some fun, even people in warzones take a little time off for pleasure.
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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 05 Jul 2025, 23:10:47

theluckycountry wrote:Well that's enough blog posting for today, time for a ride in the hills, time to enjoy this lucky Country of ours.

Indeed. Same here...been checking out an FJR1300 and a DL650 as of late, haven't bit yet but later in the summer and early fall is the best buying time. Of course, you are stuck with hills, I am not. Here in the land where we don't service a King we get to ride in the clouds at an altitude where American built airplanes fly but your prison colony local sheep chasing puddle jumpers can't breath...let alone the prison colony descendant pilots. Back to on your knees for the King now like a good little lackey..... :lol:
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Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 06 Jul 2025, 19:02:38

The Tale of Two Energy Transitions
https://substack.com/home/post/p-167504563

Another on point piece from The Honest Sorcerer
The 2025 issue of the Statistical Review of World Energy was released last week, complete with a treasure trove of data from 2014 to 2024. Since I’ve found the charts provided with the report extremely unhelpful to get the big picture, I set out to analyze the data myself… And boy, what a difference a wider boundary approach can make! Especially, when it comes to understanding decadal trends such as the elusive “energy transition” or the very real transition of power from the Western hemisphere to the East. If you thought that an 87% global share of fossil fuels was high, or that at least we were making progress, then I urge you to think again. On the other hand if you were wondering why things fall apart in the West, look no further for an answer.

Introduction
Let’s start by stating that in 2024 energy was still the economy. It always was and always will be. There is no economic activity without energy expenditure. From hair saloons using electricity to restaurants cooking with natural gas — or from agriculture, mining and transportation powered by diesel fuel to metallurgy and cement manufacturing enabled by coal — every monetary transaction in the economy generated a great deal of energy consumption. Without an exception. And while some could argue that western states moved past industrial scale energy use by transforming into “service economies”, these societies still consume steel, concrete, plastics, glass, microelectronics, paper, food etc. — all made by burning tons of fuel elsewhere. Viewed from a global perspective, globalization has just moved the location of factories and mines, but did not make any economy on the planet more sustainable, more energy efficient, more green or more advanced. In fact, I argue, all what we have achieved with this shuffling of production around the globe was an even faster draw-down of Earth’s one time resource inheritance.

So, how do we measure this vast energy expenditure when it comes to our one global economy?...

Full article at the link above.
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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

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theluckycountry wrote:The Tale of Two Energy Transitions

https://substack.com/home/post/p-167504563
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Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 06 Jul 2025, 23:08:57

More from the article

The Energy Transition That Never Was
According to the latest numbers compiled in the report, 87% of the energy used by humanity in 2024 came from fossil fuels. The remaining 13% was consumed in the form of electricity from nuclear, hydro and other “renewables”. Based on these numbers, however, we barely moved the needle in the past ten years, at least when it comes to the much taunted “energy transition”. Coal, oil and gas catered for just a little more than 89% of all energy supply a decade ago! At this rate of “decarbonization”, fossil fuels would be still responsible for almost 80% of our energy consumption in 2050. Heck, if I may venture a guess, we will run out of coal, oil and gas far faster than we could replace just a half of them with solar panels and wind turbines.

There is a mighty big caveat here, as even that 87% cited above is a gross underestimation of our reliance on fossil fuels. In a nutshell: if you thought that an 87% global share of fossil fuels was based on actual energy output, then hurry, because these folks at the Energy Institute have a mighty big bridge to sell you. In order to show progress (even as meager as we’ve seen above), and to make investors think that these “alternative” sources of energy are somehow a viable replacement to fossil fuels (which they’re demonstrably not), a statistical slight of hand had to be used. This meant that low-carbon energy sources were accounted for the amount of fossil heat they replaced, not for the actual electricity they provided to the system. Truth to be told, the authors of the report tell us as much, although in small print at the bottom of the page

“Energy from non-fossil fuel combustible electricity generation is accounted for on their input heat requirements and non-combustible renewables on the energy content of their gross electrical output.”
Our total energy consumption was thus artificially inflated to show low-carbon energy sources in a much better light, assigning them a much bigger share of world energy production than they actually represent. This is how we get figures for nuclear three times as large than in real life — accounting for the heat produced by uranium, not for the electricity provided to the grid. (3) So while hydro is represented more-or-less correctly (there is no heat to electricity conversion going on there), so called “renewables” receive a similar beauty treatment to nuclear


So another huge quasi-governmental body proclaiming itself the expert while it doles out packs of Lies. Pity help you if you have become totally (I mean Totally) reliant on the grid for your day to day power. If you don't have some sort of offgrid capability to run your freezer and a few lights at least your gonna be sitting in the dark one day no doubt. Just ask the people on the Iberian peninsula. Go have a look at some of the youtubes, of the people stranded in the middle of nowhere, walking aimlessly around an electric train sitting on the track beside them. It was a shitshow. Then home to a freezer full of defrosted meat and icecream, Yumm yumm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXKP72NdxwA
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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 07 Jul 2025, 13:28:25

theluckycountry wrote:More from the article

The Energy Transition That Never Was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXKP72NdxwA


So now you are transcribing BoobTube videos as a parrot? Figures.

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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 09 Jul 2025, 07:17:17

more bailout needed

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Vestas Wind Power CEO Urges EU To Sharpen Its "Fragmented" Energy Policy
“Wind is largely a European creation — born in our universities, tested on our sites,” Andersen told Bloomberg News. “If we don’t protect and support what we’ve built, companies like ours will eventually move out of Europe. It’s that simple.” Bloomberg writes that despite its leadership in wind technology, Europe’s fragmented regulatory landscape, high inflation, rising interest rates, and supply chain issues have created headwinds for companies like Vestas. Competition from Chinese turbine manufacturers — including recent deals in Germany — has added to the pressure, although some of these arrangements face scrutiny on national security grounds.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... gy-at-risk

Subsidy Tracker Parent Company Summary
Vestas Blades America Inc federal 2010 $21,589,200 Federal Allocated Tax Credit
Vestas Blades America Inc federal 2010 $8,580,600 Federal Allocated Tax Credit

And then they were all but pushed out.
https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/vestas
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theluckycountry wrote:more bailout needed says Polly

Vestas Wind Power CEO Urges EU To Sharpen Its "Fragmented" Energy Policy
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