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THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 05 Jul 2025, 09:25:03

Lucky hits one out of the park! A triple idiot parrot strike!!!!

theluckycountry wrote:
Rivian Q2 sales fall 23%

Rivian deliveries decline sharply as tariffs hit demand
https://techcrunch.com/2025/07/02/rivia ... -continue/

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Volkswagen to make ‘massive’ investment in US in bid to avoid tariffs
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... id-tariffs

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So Rivian has a lifeline for now and VW has a foot in the door of US manufacturing.
Jan 2025--
The Tiguan was the best-selling VW, followed by the T-Roc that will be renewed in 2025.
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/01/vw-al ... -americas/

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 05 Jul 2025, 20:54:45

Rivian owners have reported various build quality issues, including panel gaps, misaligned parts, rattling noises, and issues with the steering column. Some owners have also experienced problems with the tailgate, lights, and bumpers, as well as scratches and other damage to the vehicle's exterior. Additionally, there have been complaints about the software


Rivian Owner’s Quality And Service Nightmares Expose The Pain Of Being A ‘Beta Tester’
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/02/rivia ... ta-tester/

What kind of an idiot do you have to be to spend 70 or 80,000 dollars on a shonky car made by a shonky startup? An EVidiot of course. Tesla is rubbish built too but not as bad as these backyarders. Building a car, from scratch, takes an enormous amount of R&D, it's not just a matter of setting up a pretty factory floor full of robots and pushing the start button.

Just Believe in the Dream. Just believe.

A “long-time Rivian customer close to giving up” is how the owner at the center of this story describes themselves. And honestly, no one wants to feel that way after purchasing a car, especially not a luxury vehicle that starts at $70,000 and can easily climb past $100,000. Yet, that’s the reality for this particular customer after multiple purchases from Rivian. Here’s their story – and it’s certainly one worth telling.

You'd have thought they would have awoken from the Dream after the first debarcle, but oh no, these EVidiots have to go back and again and again to get beaten across the back with the rod reserved for idiots.


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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 05 Jul 2025, 21:48:34

theluckycountry wrote:Rivian Owner’s Quality And Service Nightmares Expose The Pain Of Being A ‘Beta Tester’
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/02/rivia ... ta-tester/

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theluckycountry wrote:What kind of an idiot do you have to be to spend 70 or 80,000 dollars on a shonky car made by a shonky startup?

What kind of uneducated parrot thinks he looks good on his Hayabusa?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 05 Jul 2025, 22:16:34

Just imagine you could buy a system and install it in your home, that could produce Gasoline in your tank for free, but only in your tank, you couldn't store it. Every day you could put the hose in and by days end you'd have enough fuel for a few days running around. It wouldn't be totally free though, you'd have to pay 15 or 20 thousand dollars up front, and of course it wouldn't last forever, and was prone to go offline if the electricity grid failed. Still, not a bad deal. But part of this deal would be that most of the Gasoline stations across town and across your country would have to go, and those remaining would be prone to breakdowns so you'd never know if you could reliably get gas from them. Would you consider it a fair trade? Or would you prefer to stick with the current system of reliable pay as you go gasoline stations.

That is exactly the deal the EVidiots have made. But it wasn't the original deal. Oh no, the original deal included hundreds of thousands of reliable recharge stations all across town and all across the nation, just like we have now for gasoline. They believed they could drive from Boston to LA with a just a dozen or so layovers for a charge, a good opportunity to see a movie or read a book in a coffee shop for an hour or so :roll:

And that is the key reason (among others) why the EV failed. It's a car without an infrastructure to support it. And not just recharging either. Got a problem? Well don't take it to your local mechanic, they won't touch it with a barge pole. No it's a trip back up to the city where you bought it, days and days of wasted time, or it's on a truck and you have to wait weeks and weeks to see it again. It's like marrying a total Bitch, you put up with it but you can't help seeing your neighbor has a lovely wife who never causes him grief. One day, you say to yourself, one day soon I'll leave this Bitch and have an easy life again, but you know in your heart it's not that simple, you have too much invested now...
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 05 Jul 2025, 23:18:03

theluckycountry wrote:And that is the key reason (among others) why the EV failed. It's a car without an infrastructure to support it.


Really? You don't have household current available in Australia like we do in the US? No wonder you don't like EVs. Hell, you really are a country of backwater wanna be's...do you have the means to buy citizenship to a real country like New Zealand? At least you wouldn't have this be the example everyone knows of the best of the best your country sends onto the world stage to represent you.

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Is kangaroo racing an Olympic event? Maybe even a uneducated fool like you could do better. just train that kangaroo hard, lose some weight, etc etc.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 06 Jul 2025, 18:15:08

Tesla Sales Drop 60% In Germany In June
Tesla has also now seen six straight months of declining sales in France, Sweden, Denmark, and Italy. Tesla's sales in Germany dropped 60% in June to 1,860 vehicles, according to the KBA. For the first half of 2025, sales fell 58.2% year-over-year to 8,890 units..
Chinese EV maker BYD saw its German sales nearly quadruple in June to 1,675

So... Population of Germany, 83 million, driving age, say 40 million. And in June only 2000 out of 40 million people bought one. Doesn't sound like a transition does it?

But wait! Here's the real transition, the one I have been pointing to ever since I came to this echo chamber.
In Q1 2025, 885,000 bicycles and e-bikes were sold in Germany—a nearly 11% increase compared to the same period in 2024.


But reality aside, you'd think with all that amazing alternate energy production in Germany their sales of EV would be booming? I mean don't renewables lower energy costs making EV more attractive? No, they make electricity twice as expensive. But either way the Tesla meme has been broken and people are seeing it for what it really is, just another shonky US designed car, expensive, ugly, and poorly built. Will all this effect the Tesla share price? Not in the least, since that isn't based on reality either and every month billions in private pension money goes looking for a home there and every month Elon Musk sells large blocks of the stock he is paid with the satisfy some of this demand. Tesla is a cash cow and mom and pop investors supply the milk. Only Idiots believed in the EV transition, only gamblers invested in Tesla.

The future is the past, going back to bicycles and cold homes. Anyone with half a brain can see that.

Bicycles: https://www.bikenews.online/index.php?r ... cle_id=758
Tesla collapse: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos- ... 025-07-03/
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 06 Jul 2025, 22:59:48

theluckycountry wrote:The future is the past, going back to bicycles and cold homes. Anyone with half a brain can see that, unfortunately I lack most of one of those, so am forced to cherry pick answers I like on the internet and pretend they are my own thoughts on the topic.

https://www.bikenews.online/index.php?r ... cle_id=758

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 06 Jul 2025, 23:12:25

In a way it's logical, back in the 1930's English working classes used a lot of bicycles, for work and shopping. All across Asia and China they were big too, right up to their emergence as petrol heads. We will just go back that way, not due to a lack of fuel, that was never the issue in the cases above, it was a lack of money. Poor people don't drive cars, just go ask some homeless folk. Or ask the Germans :P
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 07 Jul 2025, 07:35:39

These are examples of old euro designs. One old man told me years ago that it was the age of the blossoming suburbs in England and they weren't all serviced by trains so workers of all classes rode stuff like these. They were a lot cheaper than actual motorcycles and the men, because it was mostly men that worked back then, transitioned to motorbikes as they could afford them.

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If you were to graph these transitions over time, and then overlay a chart of the rise and fall of oil production you'd see a good match as far as personal wealth is concerned. Because that's what we're talking about, oil wealth flowing down to the working classes and giving them more choices. After WWII, in the 1950's, things were improving a lot and that's where these bicycles were employed enmass in England. By the 1960's wages allowed true motorcycles and then cars quickly followed. Each vehicle being more expensive but also consuming more fuel.

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These transitions were quick, and then we settled into the car age. In 1970 we had the oil shocks and leading up to that the Japanese were introducing small thrifty cars into the market. That was the smart thing to do, start dialing back consumption, but like the seat-belt the innovation wasn't roundly accepted, many pushed back, and low oil prices aided this. Now days people are still buying huge cars but I assure you without debt to fund these there would be very few on the roads. We have been burning oil furiously and at the same time borrowing years and years into the future. A recipe for disaster? Actually a recipe for social control I'm sure. People are controlled by the money they have available to spend and if they are indebted beyond their means to repay then they will accept any *deal* handed to them by a government.

Strange things have happened on this planet as far as personal wealth is concerned, there have been not a few cases where a government has taken all private land off citizens, the most recent of course South Africa and before it Zimbabwe (White farmers). Go back another half century and the Soviets confiscated everything, even cows and shovels to build their collectivized workers paradise. Untold real estate was taken across the western world in the 1930's financial collapse. It would have been a simple matter for government to mandate that "No", you can't take a persons home away, but they didn't. And the mortgages of many of the properties foreclosed on were actually held by banks that had collapsed. They took all the people's savings when they collapsed and then other "good" banks bought those mortgages and began foreclosing. A totally corrupt system.

This is the big seller in Germany now, the pedelectric cargo bike. Germany is becoming Energy starved, just as it was in the 1930's. Most of it's their own doing of course by rejecting Russian energy. But the writing is on the wall, a slow transition back to cheap modes of transport. JH Kunstler's Long Emergency playing out before us.

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This form of transit makes a lot more sense than huge cars and trucks stuffed with batteries. These might even still be around in 4 or 5 decades if they get their act together with resources. These, electric scooters, and perhaps even light electric 4-wheelers for local transport. Anything but the one ton steel monstrosities they are making now.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 07 Jul 2025, 13:21:22

theluckycountry wrote:In a way it's logical, back in the 1930's English working classes used a lot of bicycles, for work and shopping.

How interesting. Good thing they have nothing do with EVs, we wouldn't want you break your record of mindless babbling around here.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 09 Jul 2025, 06:49:32

EVidots push back:
Why Public EV Charging Sucks … and What’s Being Done to Fix It
https://www.motortrend.com/features/pub ... s-concerns

The short answer? Nothing is being done, just stay home ffs.

US Agency Reportedly Plans to Shut Down 8,000 EV Chargers, Offload EVs
https://www.pcmag.com/news/general-serv ... floads-evs

Anyone remember the good ol days before peakEV? These were the stories then.
US Agency Reportedly Plans to build 8,000 EV Chargers, expand EV fleet :lol: :lol: :lol:

If I was to look for an analogy for the EVlution I would go no further than a pregnancy that ended abruptly, in a messy abortion.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 09 Jul 2025, 07:01:46

Some EV owners report facing inadequate charging infrastructure, long waits during summer road trips

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Some electric vehicle owners have reported struggling to find charging infrastructure on road trips this summer. EV drivers are encouraged to plan their charging stops ahead of long journeys.
What's next? The NRMA says it's working to speed up construction on new chargers and replace older ones to meet growing demand.
Replace older ones? Don't tell they last only as long as the cars themselves.
Electric vehicle owners are being urged to avoid "petrol bowser thinking" when hitting the road this summer to avoid being caught out with a flat battery. According to the Australian Electric Vehicle Association (AEVA), there are more than 1,000 fast charging stations across the country.

But as electric vehicle owner Paul Tickell discovered on his road trip home to Canberra from Melbourne via the NSW South Coast, it's not always smooth sailing out on the open road. He experienced firsthand how during peak periods drivers can face long queues for chargers, large distances between stations or arrive to discover the chargers simply aren't working. "We were spending the night at Eden, so I stopped at Eden: no chargers in Eden," Mr Tickell said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-10/ ... /104797428

Suck it fatboy, that's karma at work, it always punishes the idiots harder.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AgentR11 » Wed 09 Jul 2025, 12:04:08

EV's aren't meant for long road trips, and I can't imagine that ever changing. So why did this person choose the wrong tool for the job in the first place? It takes just a very few minutes to refill an ICE toting vehicle; charging an EV in the middle of a trip, an hour maybe? Economically, that can never scale.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 09 Jul 2025, 15:39:21

theluckycountry wrote:EVidots push back: Keep installing chargers in their garages because only uneducated Aussies don't know that EV folks can afford those as well the EVs themselves.
Why Public EV Charging Sucks … and What’s Being Done to Fix It

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 09 Jul 2025, 15:41:30

theluckycountry wrote:Some EV owners report facing inadequate charging infrastructure, long waits during summer road trips

Some electric vehicle owners have reported struggling to find charging infrastructure on road trips this summer. EV drivers are encouraged to plan their charging stops ahead of long journeys.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 09 Jul 2025, 15:45:32

AgentR11 wrote:EV's aren't meant for long road trips, and I can't imagine that ever changing.

Which is why our poor uneducated Aussie fights that particular strawman. Besides being stupid and unable to find more clever ones.

While cross continent US can be done, the wife's boss has crossed the L48 on several occasions in a Tesla Model S, and I've certainly spotted more than a few tesla stations strategically placed along L48 US interstates, it seems like just a hassle to find one, hope someone hasn't stolen the cables, and they are clogged because everyone else can only find that one as well.

AgentR11 wrote: So why did this person choose the wrong tool for the job in the first place?

Indeed. One of the first rules of using tools, right?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 09 Jul 2025, 16:20:58

Some people believe Donald Trump is the cause of this EV unwind, but he's not, he's just giving cover, it was happening long before he ever took office. As far as making decisions goes the guy is yoyo, literally! But on these bubble matters he's 100%. Just think of it. The EV bubble cleanup, the Alternate wind/solar cleanup (progressing, but slowly), the Bitcoin strategic reserve, these areas he made decisions and stuck to them, no flip flopping. He promised a BC reserve and it's there, not from purchases as the coinheads hoped and believed and wished and cheered and cried and humbly pleaded for. No, just out of confiscated coin, end of story!

The cleanup of EV detritus is likewise continuing on a steady normal footing, the end of subsidies probably the most important aspect. Of course he's not alone in this, just one of the last in a long long line of nations that have discontinued them.

Automakers are urging customers to snap up electric vehicles before a $7,500 U.S. tax credit goes away this fall.
Tesla’s homepage on Tuesday displayed a banner: ”$7,500 Federal Tax Credit Ending. Take Delivery by September 30, 2025.”
The same day, Ford Motor extended its deal for free home chargers and installation through the end of September to entice EV shoppers.

Sweeping tax and budget legislation approved by Congress will eliminate $7,500 tax credits for buying or leasing new electric vehicles and a $4,000 used-EV credit at the end of September. The subsidies have boosted EV sales in recent years, and some dealers and analysts expect shoppers to rush to take advantage of the credit before it expires.
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They had a similar firesale before he was elected, and other ones before that. It's a last plea to take some of this junk off their lots, because aside from tesla, they want out. Ford certainly does, it's lost billions on the excursion into EV. And lets not forget why they did it, to get around the billions they were forced to pay in carbon credits to Tesla and the other EV makers, a penalty for being bad and making only Gasoline burners. How will this effect Rivian? Who cares, rivian is just a death row inmate.


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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 09 Jul 2025, 18:50:35

theluckycountry wrote:Automakers are urging customers to snap up electric vehicles before a $7,500 U.S. tax credit goes away this fall.

all major news outlets

This general statement would seem to be true. But you are still being what you are regardless of not providing the link...

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 10 Jul 2025, 20:04:38

I said, tongue in cheek on another thread, that Wind generators don't generate wind. But if you shorten the name of something, or alter it in some way, it changes the perception in the mind of the consuming public. People typically don't think anymore, this is nowhere more evident than in the lengths of posts on forums such as this. A paragraph is typically a long post, a sentence more usual. By keeping it short people often expose the fact that they are either not engaged in the topic, or more typically, not deep thinkers. What's a deep thinker? Someone who has a reserve of knowledge they can draw on, someone who can get their thoughts in order and research ideas. Kub was a deep thinker, I suspect he was an astroturfer for the alternate energy block though :lol:

To fully portray your thoughts takes a lot of words, hence, "A picture paints a thousand words".
"A picture paints a thousand words" means that a visual representation can convey a complex idea or story more effectively than a lengthy verbal description. It highlights the power of images to communicate meaning and emotion quickly and clearly.

Spending your life watching TV and texting ensures you'll be a shallow thinker because critical information on those spaces are limited to soundbites. The newscaster can't go deeper because that might start to make people think, and the majority of newstainment is simply statements for you to believe and not question. Avid reading, books, webpages etc, that's where you learn to think deeply.

The big beautiful bill, the BBB. Sure it's big, but beautiful? Well for the rich it is. They are getting tax breaks and trillions more in debt to milk at taxpayers expense. Similarly the cuts to the social services means more money can be directed into their pockets, since Military spending dollars for example must first pass through the hands of the corporations building the hardware and they get to take a healthy cut. The BBB is like a campaign slogan designed to trick the public that's it's going to be good for them. Like Biden's "Time to Heal" slogan. Or "Make America Great again". You know what that means don't you? It means America is not Great anymore, it's fallen from grace, it's no longer the leading nation on Earth in anything other than debt creation and financial manipulations, of which the public get very little benefit.

But what of wind power generators and electric cars. Well for starters when you think of a Wind Generator you think of a tower on a hill or out in the ocean providing power, but that power has to be transmitted and transformed, at great expense and incurring great losses. Something like 50~60% of all electricity generated is lost, radiated out of the wires as heat mostly. Just discussing Wind Generators and keeping it shallow avoids the fact that these remote sites require extensive cabling and towers, or underground, and all the other complex equipment to integrate their current flow into the grid. The windmill on it's pier is just the tip of the iceberg. A convention power station can be sited right by the demand it feeds, but wind is dispersed across the countryside requiring a hell of a lot more of all that extra stuff. It has to be where the wind blows. I look at where they site them and not too many are near large population or industrial demands.

Now lets look at the EV, the Electric Vehicle. This conjurers up an image too, one of a car running along by electricity, something we are all familiar with in our homes and which we equate to reliability and power and ease and comfort. But don't look too deep because what they actually are is a Battery powered vehicle. Ahhh, that conjurers up a whole other set of familiar experiences doesn't it. Ever had a battery powered torch go flat at an inconvenient time? Or how about a battery powered trimmer or mower or drill? How about an old battery powered Ghetto Blaster, we all had one of those growing up. Buds are the go now but users carry the recharging case in their bag or pocket, and it in turn needs to be recharged when we get home. All very convenient still. We live with these and don't question the limitations because we can always park the mower and let it recharge, finish the lawn tomorrow. Or with the torch, go and dig out another set of batteries from the draw, no real problem. But what if the draw was 2 miles away, and perhaps empty?

Battery powered cars, that's what the EV actually is. And of course we all know this, but in the minds of shallow thinking consumers it's an electric car, as reliable as their fridge and will last as long. It's as reliable as their electric light switch, there on demand as long as they pay the bill. Calling it a battery powered car brings into focus the limitations of the technology. Ever had a torch where the batteries were going flat? It should do the job, light the BBQ and we'll take our chances. Everything about the EV is a marketing Lie, from speedy charging (if you install an expensive 3-phase unit that your solar panels can't hope to keep up with) to the range you can drive. (based on bench tests out of the wind and other real world factors) And it all begins with the name, the branding.

I have what they call an Adventure bike but I've never had an Adventure on it? I just ride it up rough gravel roads and sketchy trails, hoping I don't auger into a tree or drop it in a creek crossing. Sure it's a lot of fun riding it, most of the time, and it's rewarding getting to a remote spot, but it's just a big Dirt bike, and that's what I call it, the branding is bullshit and deceptive. Remember that when you key on your EV next time, you're in a battery powered car, with severe limitations.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 11 Jul 2025, 15:04:27

theluckycountry wrote:I said, tongue in cheek on another thread, that Wind generators don't generate wind.


When someone is a known uneducated halfwit who can only parrot others, it is more likely you don't do tongue in cheek any more than you do thinking.

Because...well....such is your nature.

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Plant Wed 11 Apr 2007 "I think Deffeyes might have nailed it, and we are just past the overall peak in oil production. (Thanksgiving 2005)"
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