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too much climate justice AND too little climate science

too much climate justice AND too little climate science

Unread postby phaster » Mon 26 May 2025, 13:24:41

...people in San Diego, California have limited knowledge of climate change and when we look specifically at knowledge of the mechanisms of climate change, this information deficit becomes even more pronounced.

...If San Diego park visitors and community college students are at all representative of the United States, it seems that (1) people know very little about the mechanism of climate change and (2) knowledge about climate change relates to both a person’s desire for policy to address it and their acceptance of it. For this reason, scientific education programs focusing on increasing knowledge of climate change could help increase acceptance and desire for climate policy.


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Re: too much climate justice AND too little climate science

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 26 May 2025, 16:02:05

phaster wrote:...people in San Diego, California have limited knowledge of climate change and when we look specifically at knowledge of the mechanisms of climate change, this information deficit becomes even more pronounced.


Interesting. Sounds like peak oilers. Of the early 21st century...and now.

phaser wrote:...If San Diego park visitors and community college students are at all representative of the United States, it seems that (1) people know very little about the mechanism of climate change and (2) knowledge about climate change relates to both a person’s desire for policy to address it and their acceptance of it. For this reason, scientific education programs focusing on increasing knowledge of climate change could help increase acceptance and desire for climate policy.


Same could have been said of peak oilers. Early 21st century...and now.

So people are dumb, choose something to believe, and then believe it, rather than learning and getting a handle on a topic before buying in hook, line and sinker.

Climate understanding and science? <yawn>

Science is hard. Not the learning of the material so much as the mental attitude necessary to find an idea, and then prove it. Smart people can be lemmings just like the dumb ones...but scientists are supposed to question, prove, and understand not just their claim but all the competing ones.

Like a PhD dissertation, except a PhD isn't required to think this way, but getting one can certainly help frame it out for them.
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Re: too much climate justice AND too little climate science

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 26 May 2025, 22:21:22

No one wants to....

Do the math.

Its also unfortunate that the math says that for most people of this era, climate change isn't really much of a problem. Its unfair of course that we don't really care that much about the conditions facing generations to come, but humans are what they are.
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Re: too much climate justice AND too little climate science

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 26 May 2025, 23:00:26

AgentR11 wrote:No one wants to....

Do the math.

Except for those who did and figured out that the peak oil sales pitch was quite lacking. For that matter still is today.

Climate change math strikes me as far easier. A young lady published on CO2 being a greenhouse gas, and what that was, like back around the American Civil War. And then by turn of the century (1900 or so) newspapers were writing about how that would effect climate, and all of this before Standard Oil was broken up and later Exxon was accused of finding this out and not telling people about it. As though it was a secret. Silly bipeds...it isn't just math, sometimes it is just READING.

AgentR11 wrote:Its also unfortunate that the math says that for most people of this era, climate change isn't really much of a problem. Its unfair of course that we don't really care that much about the conditions facing generations to come, but humans are what they are.


Indeed. And suckers being suckers, those peddling cool doom scenarios are going to focus on the hysteria of the day and pitch it for all they are worth. In the early 70's, even knowing the math on greenhouse gas emissions and where they came from, folks were pitching the Ice Ball Earth theory because of some temporary temperature downwards.
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