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THE Alternative Energy Thread pt 4 (merged)

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Re: THE Alternative Energy Thread pt 4 (merged)

Unread postby ralfy » Mon 12 Aug 2024, 20:28:22

"We are wasting $2 trillion a year chasing ‘green’ fantasies"

https://nypost.com/2024/08/11/opinion/w ... fantasies/

Countless studies show that when societies add more renewable energy, most of it never replaces coal, gas or oil. It simply adds to energy consumption. Recent research shows that for every six units of new green energy, less than one unit displaces any fossil fuel. Analysis in the United States shows that renewable energy subsidies simply lead to more overall energy being used.

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But on top of that, a true transition would also require politicians to impose massive taxes on fossil fuels to make them less desirable. McKinsey estimates the direct price tag to achieve a real transition at more than $5 trillion annually. This splurge would slow economic growth, making the real cost five times higher. Annual costs for people living in rich countries could be higher than $13,000 per person per year.


The implication is that using alternative energy sources will still take place because of a resource crunch, but the same crunch will affect those sources as well. Meanwhile, the global economy which relies on those sources will need more energy each time because it's capitalist (that means it's driven by competition and profit-making) and most of the world population that relies on it have not attained all basic needs plus have wants which the minority "haves" are counting on them to have via increased production and sales needed to guarantee more profits (hence, profit-making).

The transition cost for at least people living in the First World will be more than $10,000 a year, and will subsidize the Third World.

In short--and the writer doesn't realize making this argument--the $2 trillion waste is inevitable but not for purposes of going "green".
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Re: THE Alternative Energy Thread pt 4 (merged)

Unread postby mousepad » Tue 13 Aug 2024, 06:22:36

ralfy wrote: the global economy which relies on those sources will need more energy each time because it's capitalist (that means it's driven by competition and profit-making) and most of the world population that relies on it have not attained all basic needs plus have wants which the minority "haves" are counting on them to have via increased production and sales needed to guarantee more profits (hence, profit-making).


That's one hell of a sentence. Just say everybody (from 1st to 3rd world) wants more stuff. And more stuff requires more energy to make. BTW. This has nothing to do with capitalist. Go back to the good old soviet onion. They also wanted more stuff. And used energy to make it. Just a lot less efficient that capitalists. Hurray for capitalism!!! That makes stuff most efficiently.
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Re: THE Alternative Energy Thread pt 4 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 13 Aug 2024, 06:57:56

ralfy wrote:"We are wasting $2 trillion a year chasing ‘green’ fantasies"


SunPower Went Bankrupt Despite Huge Subsidies

The Wall Street Journal reports Another Green Energy Subsidy Bust

The 39-year-old SunPower is the latest solar rooftop business to fail this year. Others include Titan Solar Power and Sunworks. SunPower cited a “severe liquidity crisis caused by a sharp decline in demand in the solar market and SunPower’s inability to obtain new capital.” The IRA boosted solar subsidies, so why has demand fallen?
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/sunpower-ba ... 5#cxrecs_s
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Ford is Losing $100,000 on Every EV

Despite subsidies, a report says Ford is losing more than $100,000 on each EV. Ford is reducing spending on EV plans by $12 billion. Ford is estimated to lose $5.5 billion from its Model e division in 2024.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ano ... ns-tariffs
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Re: THE Alternative Energy Thread pt 4 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 01 Nov 2024, 08:20:31

So let's assume trump wins, looking very likely?

Trump's Potential Treasury Pick Vows Spending Cuts In Partnership With Musk
Billionaire John Paulson said he would work with Elon Musk to cut federal spending, particularly by reducing green energy subsidies, if appointed Treasury Secretary under Trump’s administration.
Paulson shared these comments during a Tuesday interview with The Wall Street Journal. “All of these tax subsidies for solar, for wind, inefficient, uneconomic energy sources. Eliminate that. That brings down spending,” he told the media outlet.

He specifically mentioned targeting green energy subsidies in the Inflation Reduction Act, which he referred to as the “Green New Deal.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/tru ... rship-musk

This is of course closing the gate once the horse has bolted, because the alternate energy sector has been collapsing for a YEAR now with home solar and offshore wind projects being cancelled. Convenient isn't it? Just when it's pointless to keep subsidizing them the Swamp, of which I include Trump, turns back the clock.
I would say this was the plan all along, the money has been made by the corporations and wall street at the taxpayers expense so wrap it up and move on, just like the middle east wars, corporate profits achieved, mission accomplished. But for the incumbent political party to turn back would be embarrassing and that's why they have Two parties. Both have the same goal in mind but they take turns and by the time the 'other' party gets back in office, all if forgotten.

But that's just a wild conspiracy isn't it. So you go line up next week and vote for A again, or B, and convince yourself it matters :P

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Re: THE Alternative Energy Thread pt 4 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 06 Jan 2025, 05:27:19

Germany's Solar Industry Crushed By Demand Slump, Bankruptcies And Layoffs

But Kubs told me solar and wind were the future? That they were cheaper than fossil fuels and, well, renewable and all that.
A slump in consumer demand has led to bankruptcies and layoffs in Europe's largest rooftop solar market. Many installation and distribution companies have gone under, been acquired, or had to change strategies. The oversupply of panels has driven prices down for consumers, but industry leaders warn it is deterring investors and jeopardizing a key sector for Europe’s climate goals, according to Financial Times.

So cheaper solar panel prices means bankruptcy for installers? That doesn't make sense.

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ukraine war, rising interest rates, blah blah blah blah blah. The thing is the Europeans are still using energy, as much as they can afford, from whoever they can get it from. So why not solar and wind if it's so great? Because it's SHIT that's why. Solar in Winter, Hahaha, very dubious up there, not that flash here in sunny Queensland either at 32' south.
rising costs and reduced demand.
There it is, rising installation costs, connection costs. With all the inflation we have seen those home systems would be 30%+ more by now. They are down here.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/lot-d ... nd-layoffs
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Re: THE Alternative Energy Thread pt 4 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 28 Apr 2025, 16:32:04

ralfy wrote:"We are wasting $2 trillion a year chasing ‘green’ fantasies"

https://nypost.com/2024/08/11/opinion/w ... fantasies/


6 Days After Celebrating '100% Renewable Power', Spain Blames "Rare Atmospheric Phenomenon" For Nation's Largest Blackout In History
Residents in Spain, Portugal, France, and Belgium report major outages.
Airports and subways shut down, communication networks hit.
Madrid's Barajas Airport is out of service, El Mundo reports.
No official cause confirmed yet. Chaos unfolds

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... r-blackout

People report driving to find open petrol stations...
It's not a bad idea to keep a hundred or so Liters of Gas at home, unless you don't know how to store it safely, or are not too lazy to rotate it occasionally. I bet a few Spaniards will be taking up the habit now :P

passengers off an electric train stranded in the middle of nowhere.
https://x.com/SolanaSensei/status/1916842255458898115

The article blames the lack of conventional "spinning capacity" or grid inertia as the primary cause. Probably so, but I can't help but think back to the early days of Peakoil where they talked a lot about the collapse of the World's electricity grids, basically due to aging and overloading and an inability to rebuild them. Whatever, but the World's grids are collapsing a lot more than they ever have before.

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At least the Americans are doing their bit.

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On the larger scale (Energy use overall per capita, or per person) More people now, but using less energy. How could it be otherwise. Odd how the decline begins right at the point of Peak conventional Oil production isn't it :roll:

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