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Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 28 Aug 2024, 14:27:48

theluckycountry wrote:
I see BC is having another leg up, have a good look at the one year chart. The top was $73k, then a collapse, then back up to a lower top at $71.5k, then down and back up to $68k in July. It's a classic stair-step decline. Remember, in investing, the trend is your friend. You just need to keep on the right side of it


So BC has wallowed again (Sorry Saylor, the Trump card aint what it once was)
To reiterate what I wrote above and update, the market tops were

$73,000 - March 14
$71,000 - June 07
$69,000 - July 29
$64,000 - Aug 26

The Bottoms were
58k, 56k, 54k
A very orderly decline! Are we going to bottom out on this cycle at 52k? We'll know by mid September if the trend continues.
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 01 Sep 2024, 19:17:46

Care to comment on the recent BC action inke. Or are we just crossing our fingers, buying the dips and hodling? A lot has happened in the past month, a lot of positive news in the coin sphere yet the relentless downward momentum continues. I can speak for Gold, having owned it for 20 years. It goes up up up and then retraces some, It stalls here and there too, when inflation is low.

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You can see that during the 1990's and into the 00's, and again after the GFC when interest rates and (more importantly) Oil prices collapsed. There is always a lag though it seems, a year, perhaps a bit longer, before Gold rises to offset the inflation. But it always happens, has happened for thousands of years in fact. When the almighty collapse of assets and money occurred in the 1930's money was scarce and after the closure of all banks, and the theft of Gold held in deposit boxes was over, Roosevelt repriced Gold upward by 50%.

Money was scarce because of the banking and industrial collapse, inflation went into reverse, Deflation, for a decade and more. Contrary to popular misconception you were allowed to own Gold, just not allowed to Hoard it. You could own 5 ounces legally, and sell them. Whose to say how much Gold a person actually did have, there was never any accounting of private holdings outside the banking sector and collections of numismatics were exempt. Yes, anyone who had kept their wealth in Gold coins did quite well during that period, those that held paper currency, not well at all.

Bitcoin was sold as digital Gold, it was touted as having the same attributes, off the Grid, out of the Government and banks control. Yet today the lions share is held on exchanges, and by buying it through the digital banking system the Government knows exactly who bought what and when. If people bought and sold it between themselves for cash then that would be another matter, but BC doesn't transact that way. It's always through the Octopus.

Outside of it's obvious use as a digital hoard of bits and bytes it really has no use in the real world aside from money laundering and the buying of illegal products like child pornography, drugs and guns. Michael Saylor's ramblings about it being a commodity and eventually ruling the World of finance are an exercise in stupidity. He is caught up in his own madness, his own vicious circle of hoarding. I really can't see BT as going anywhere but down or sideways at this point. At least until the World's monetary rulers decide to step in and squash it like a bug!
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 01 Sep 2024, 19:28:41

AI, Bitcoin Face Off in Energy Race

Big tech's energy consumption is soaring amid increased electricity demand for both AI and Bitcoin mining. Analysts forecast that a fifth of bitcoin mining energy capacity will be switched to powering artificial intelligence data centers over the next three years. The problem for the Bitcoin industry is that not every company in the space has its own source of electricity.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-Gene ... -Race.html

No electricity, no Bitcoin.
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 01 Sep 2024, 21:45:00

theluckycountry wrote:No electricity, no Bitcoin.


<yawn> No education, only brainless witticisms <yawn some more>

Gee...something based on using electricity.....without electricity...won't work! They teach you that one during potty training? No diaper...make mess!
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 02 Sep 2024, 02:48:49

I didn't know you were a shitcoiner as well Adam? That's two strikes against you, one more and it's life without parole. Only in America though :lol:
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 03 Sep 2024, 14:15:53

Intermediate tops and the Supermarket

Do you ever notice that people in Supermarkets, or stores in general, are rarely smiling? The Supermarkets play happy music, you'd think that would lift a few faces wouldn't you, but we are a solemn lot in there. Most of us know why the music is played, it's to manipulate us, to lift our mood, make us want to buy potato chips and blocks of chocolate and party pies and all the non-foods as well as the real foods which make up an ever decreasing fraction of floor space.

We know there are other manipulations going on too. The store loyalty card that is used to sell us stuff we wouldn't ordinarily buy, but will because it's at a cheaper price. "Manger's Special, Members only" Then there is the product placement height and the fact that they move the stuff around and around to force us to search and while we're searching, view other product we don't want, but might be tempted to buy now it's in our face. Marketing, the Manipulation of people's (consumers) brains to make more money off them.

If you were to ask a higher up manager what it was all about they would tell you its done so that they can achieve a better market share than their competition down the road, and there is some truth in that. Originally, back in the day when Supermarkets were busy undercutting the local fruitier and butcher and small hardware stores they were offering you solid product at good savings. But they have pretty much cornered the local market now so they are not competing for your business, they are basically competing with "You", to get as much money out of your pocket as scientifically possible.

We have 3 supermarket chains here and the prices are so close you'd assume they have all slashed their profit to the bone just to get you in the door. But that's not the case at all, their profits can't be hidden, they are making out like bandits. So that only leaves collusion, the basic cartel arrangement. Hell it's probably legal too, like the banks and their interest rates. The Fed gives them cover to charge as much as humanly possible in a given economic environment and so their rates are always very close to each other's. But that's another story.

Supermarkets and... Financial markets? Could there be any similar strategies employed? I don't mean product placement or gentle mood music, but look at the basic decline pattern of something like Bitcoin, or Nvidea. It doesn't go straight down, that would be unnatural anyway, but why do they often seem to go down in this regular pattern of lower lows and lower peaks. Sure it could be tied to some basic human psychological function but programs do all the work for the most part now. Could it be a natural mathematical process inherent in such programming, with stop losses and buy order triggers? Possibly. But what if, as many say, the financial markets are totally manipulated, which we have good circumstantial evidence for, then what?

If your hodling something like BC and you see a drop you obviously get nervous, then you see it rise back up, and you feel elated. You're on an emotional roller-coaster now and people in such states find it very hard to think rationally. As the market price for your darling declines these intermediate tops give you hope. It's not over yet! It wants to go up, but there is too much fear at the moment, too much xyz preventing it from breaking through. Once it consolidates, etc etc. A whole wordsalad of financial terms to describe something that should really be quite simple. Is it viable product? What's it's PE ratio, will there be increasing demand for it. 50 years ago these decisions were easy and needed no complex financial (laws).

All the while this whipsaw action is happening hodlers continue to hodl and perhaps buy more, the backbone of the investment. And every now and then this does pay off, like hodling Microsoft shares through the dotcom collapse. But for every Microsoft there are 20 or more pets.com and that's where rational analysis and an unemotional head comes in. Frankly Microsoft was a given since it's software was sold bundled with well over half the computers on the planet. But that was a different era, that was a quarter of a century ago when things were still ok in the world of finances. It was just one bubble, in one sector, and though the fallout was huge it was easily papered over with the housing bubble that followed.

That too was a good bubble, you could have made real money if you got in early and sold before the top (like all bubbles) I knew two men that went into it in a big way in the early 00's. One sold out near the top in 2007, took his profits and bought a place on the Gold Coast and started taking regular trips to Bali (he was a surfer). He basically retired for about 4 years, but then had to go back to work. The other guy held onto a portfolio of 7 properties and lost the lot when interest rates rose. Lost his job with the bank, lost the new trophy wife too. Poor bastard, I met up with him 5 years later, he was sharing house in a dumpy part of town, but he had a PLAN!

That bubble employed an established market, one that wouldn't go away and couldn't collapse below a certain point. No wonder they went at it again this decade, it's a real cash cow. But today nearly everything is being used as a bubble platform and this due to the immense debts underlying the world's (Everything). An established company can't even make payroll in many cases without debt, it's built into every action they take.

Going back to Marketing and market manipulation I see this downward action in the markets like the Crypto's and I say "is it really just natural" or is there a set of hands behind it, driving the price up by buying the lows and then selling off as the tops approach? Big players, Whales where the money involved "for them" is just a small part of their balance sheets. It would easy enough to do, and with crypto there would (wolud) be no fingerprints leading to suspects. Warren Buffett manipulated the Silver market back last century with such a small part of Berkshire Hathaway's balance sheet that it was hidden under "other" investments.


In keeping with Buffett's buy-and-hold policy, the company said it had no immediate plans to unload its silver position, which is worth about $850 million at current market prices and represents less than 2 percent of Berkshire's portfolio. Buffett has amassed the biggest silver position any single individual has accumulated since the Hunt brothers were accused of trying to corner the silver market in 1980, sources said. Nelson Bunker Hunt and William Herbert Hunt bought huge volumes of silver contracts, sending the price soaring, only to lose an estimated $1.3 billion when they started to sell and prices fell from about $50 an ounce to about $10 an ounce in March 1980.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... ec4ede139/
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 03 Sep 2024, 14:21:34

Here is the lesson for crypto hodlers:

Once the gig was up, and it was known that the Hunts were heavily leveraged through their structured business alliances, the bankers joined forces with the commodities exchange, the Comex, and the Federal Reserve to change the rules. Once the rules were changed the calamitous collapse of the silver price and the destruction of the Hunt brother’s' corner ensued.

Since every loser on a futures contract must be matched by a winner, Bunker Hunt was convinced that the bankers and regulators involved with ending the corner profited greatly. But whatever the truth there, the Hunts would have been much more successful had they taken their profit sooner, before the price they demanded reached levels that affected industry and the average consumer. At that point authorities get involved to correct the distortion.
https://www.bullionvault.com/gold-news/ ... s-03282014

BC's demand for electricity is now threatening consumers, and the grid. Is it time for action? Many are looking at this very thing.
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 04 Sep 2024, 02:51:49

Oh I don't like this current action with BC at all, no I don't. Sure I predicted it in the above posts but it's one thing to throw out a hypotheses and another to watch BC collapse $4000 in basically a day! $52,000 roughly should be the next stop by my schema, the next "buy the dip" point before a rally up to around... (checks plot) $62k.

That's not bad considering a single Bitcoin is intrinsically worth less than a single sheet of toilet paper! That's assuming the development cost and distribution on the web was roughly equal to the cost of 20 million sheets of arsewipe. A pretty generous assumption on my part. But we all know the reality, that people didn't pay 0.5 cents a sheet, a coin sorry, no they paid a hell of a lot more. As with all bubbles people rush in towards the top, so we're talking 20k, 40k, even 50 and 60k.

Honestly this steady stair step way down (which anyone can see by looking at the chart of the last 6 months), is really quite benign compared to the past drops. The last 5 months of downward slide is only a loss of $9000. Between April 2021 and june 2021 it collapsed $30,000 in two months.

Then there was the November 2021 collapse that really took the wind out of the price. All the way down from $67K to $16k. That must have been a knuckle chewing event :cry:

"September has traditionally been a volatile month for bitcoin, with an average return of 4.78% and a typical peak-to-trough decline of 24.6%," analysts with the Bitfinex crypto exchange said in emailed comments.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-as ... ing-point/

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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 06 Sep 2024, 15:20:55

theluckycountry wrote:Shitcoiner Warning!

Do you know any more about bitcoin than you do tight tracks? Or is your "knowledge" the usual look it up on the web, put a neo-Nazi spin on it, and then spam the board with it type thing?

So...you live in Australia, know something about that from experience, so riding kangaroos would be a cool thing you could talk about, or put up more pix of cool places? Just don't mention that you took them with your Volksverraeter buddies and folks will appreciate the insight of something you have experience with.

PS: just don't write very much...people will notice...well...YOU know...
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 06 Sep 2024, 19:24:37

theluckycountry wrote:$52,000 roughly should be the next stop by my schema, the next "buy the dip" point before a rally up to around... (checks plot) $62k.


$53,000 and still in the down pattern, looks like we're right on target. When do you intend to buy more Inke? Must be getting tempting at these prices. I mean if it's going over a million in the next year or two...
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 06 Sep 2024, 20:13:15

The NVIDEA chart, same same, It's all the same Bubble really.
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/NVDA/
A.I.? Only a fool would have bought into that SciFi twaddle. They are just fast computers with millions of people working behind the scenes to give the illusion of intelligence. It all reminds of this cow. How many here believed here BS line. Most I'd wager.

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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 06 Sep 2024, 21:53:05

theluckycountry wrote:
theluckycountry wrote:$52,000 roughly should be the next stop by my schema, the next "buy the dip" point before a rally up to around... (checks plot) $62k.


$53,000 and still in the down pattern, looks like we're right on target.

Who is "we"? Did you actually get some bitcoin for all your whining? Or are you just talking about people who did get some and want to pretend you did too?
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 06 Sep 2024, 22:00:42

theluckycountry wrote:The NVIDEA chart, same same, It's all the same Bubble really.

Really? Do you come by your investing and financial understanding through education or experience in the field, investing over the decades and whatnot? Or did you find an experienced neighbor, one who had graduated high school perhaps and actually did invest at some point?


theluckycountry wrote:It all reminds of this cow.
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She isn't a cow. A swindler perhaps. But not a cow, that is just a derogatory term you might hear from a misogynistic neo-Nazi.
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 07 Sep 2024, 03:08:53

So you have an interest in BC as well adam, I'd uncover you posts out of curiosity but we both know it's all just so much Deranged American angst against those who live in the Lucky Country. It Must be galling to you so see a little colony of England rise up quietly to have one of the best lifestyles in the world while you have to wade through streets full of human feces and south american criminal gangs. I see you had another school massacre there the other day, business as usual I suppose. Frogs in a pot.
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 07 Sep 2024, 03:59:30

The B-2 Spirit, the world's first stealth bomber, is a distinctive flying-wing aircraft known for its advanced stealth capabilities and exorbitant cost. At approximately $2 billion per unit, the B-2's price tag is hard to justify compared to other military aircraft.

Very expensive! The Australian government prefers to spend it's money on social services like free healthcare and generous pensions. On New Highways and rail networks like the 30 Billion "Inland Rail" project which connects the south of the nation to the cities in the north.

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But Australia still needs to be defended, that's why our lapdog strategic partner has begun stationing the B2 bombers here RAF base Amberly in Queensland. A nuclear deterrent no doubt, the munitions stored at one of the air bases further up the state. Wouldn't do to have those near population centers. Along with the thousands of Marines stationed up in Darwin and the new super secret sub base at alligator creek we have some nice additions to our Defense package that didn't cost a cent.

Aug. 19, 2024 | By John A. Tirpak
Three B-2 stealth bombers landed at Royal Australian Air Force Base Amberley this weekend to begin a Bomber Task Force deployment—showcasing U.S. presence in the region and conducting exercises with allied nations. The bombers were accompanied by two KC-135R tankers from the Illinois National Guard.


Some Americans here on the forum joke about how Australia will defend itself in case of a Chinese attack, well relax, it's covered thanks to your taxes.
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 07 Sep 2024, 12:38:17

theluckycountry wrote:So you have an interest in BC as well adam, I'd uncover you posts out of curiosity but we both know it's all just so much Deranged American angst against those who live in the Lucky Country.

You haven't read my posts obviously, as I have challenged the local BC enthusiast to explain just one thing to me, when discussing the ease and convenience of it, and it related to my last motorcycle sale. I asked how I could, when doing the sale, as BT is supposed easy to use as a transfer between people, take BC from the buyer. The poster referenced a book to explain it all to me.

Needless to say, if I need a book for something supposedly useful for simple transfers like selling a motorcycle, which took place IRL with nothing but him handing me an envelope of 100's and me accepting it and signing the title, it isn't something I am interested in.

And this is all BEFORE I find out that my $10,000 of bitcoin today suddenly becomes $8000 in bitcoin tomorrow because it isn't a currency equivalent, but a financial shenanigan of some sort, not pegged to anything that establishes a value other than people saying it does.

And yes, I do live in a Lucky Country. And one that cast off the shackles of the British Empire centuries ago, while yours suckles at the teat of the powerful because you can't even make enough of your own military hardware to fend off being acquired by China Inc.
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

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theluckycountry wrote:Some Americans here on the forum joke about how Australia will defend itself in case of a Chinese attack, well relax, it's covered thanks to your taxes.

Indeed. Americans care more about Australian freedom than Australians do. Or should I say, you really have no choice, not only can't you built Ferris Wheels but things invented 121 years ago by Americans like airplanes. Or CARS for crying out loud. I mean..REALLY...go back to goose stepping with your buddies...America will even protect you neonazis inside Australia while defending Australia.

You're welcome. Now run along and practice your jackbooted goose stepping with your nazi fanboi friends.
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

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Found an Avatar for you Adam!

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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

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theluckycountry wrote:
Found an Avatar for you Adam!

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I've said my peace on why some folks are limited to being just....repetitive.
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 10 Sep 2024, 19:17:11

So the dip in BC didn't go as low as I stated, but these things never follow a perfect pattern do they. I was just prognosticating on the ideal curve and you have to allow for some fluctuation. The stair-step decline pattern is well established though, there is no doubt about that! The question remains is how long it will continue before it breaks out of the pattern. Which it will of course, most likely with a violent upward or downward move.

The only reason I have drawn attention to this pattern is that it's the first time in the history of BC trading that such has developed. Just set this chart to Max and you'll see what I mean.
https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bitcoin

Prior to the past 6 months there has really been NO pattern to BC activity. The coinheads have tried to impose one, based on "Boom cycles", but when the boom is cut short and turns into a rout like it did back in March they are all left sitting around scratching their heads. The 2021 boom cycle was a double peak, nothing like this one, and nothing like the prior tops either.

The 2017 $20k peak was undercut by the Nov 2022 low of $16k. This is highly unusual, and a very bad omen. It happened in the Silver market price but only after a 35 year hiatus and the price disparity there is accounted for by the once in a lifetime "saeculum" commodity bubble.
a length of time roughly equal to the potential lifetime of a person or, equivalently, the complete renewal of a human population.

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The 1970's was a unique period of unmatched commodity inflation that only occurs every 100 odd years. It's triggered by debt cycles, by things like the abandonment of the Gold standards. It's impossible to state how important a healthy Gold standard is to the fortunes of a nation. Once they abandon it for unchecked debt based monetary expansion there is a period of great wealth enjoyed my most, but then the piper has to be paid. Society begins to collapse under the onerous interest repayments on all the accumulated debt and you have what we see today, hollowed out cities, mass homelessness, suburbanites struggling to maintain any sort of decent lifestyle.

Shitcoin comes along near the end of this collapse process and promises unbelievable riches for anyone who buys into the scheme. Money from nowhere, ever increasing prices. But those ever increasing prices have to come from the straightened finances of the millions of people trying to keep food in the fridge and trying to keep the electricity bill for the fridge paid. Millions of New Hodlers must be found to buy in to the scheme at ever increasing prices. The very definition of a Ponzi Scheme. There, I said it lol. A Ponzi.

Why did it take off in the first place? Because it's Techie of course. Like flying cars, like AI, like colonies on Mars and every other "We're off to the Stars" new technology. People bought into it because they "Wanted to Believe" in something that would pull them out of the drudgery and impoverishment of the burgeoning 21st Century. Generations of people have been programmed to believe that tomorrow will be better than today and they will grasp at any straw now!



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