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Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 23

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 23

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 02 Jun 2024, 09:16:49

Tanada wrote:
Newfie wrote:Delhi hit 52.3°C, a new record.

Thats 126 for ‘mericans.

My seasons are all screw up, I’m an Auzzie here.

My winters are spent in the tropics. 85 high with 74 low. Every day and night.
It was 4°C here the other morning, the porch was in the low 20’s 2 days latter.

It generally follows the wind, ince the wind turns North it sweeps across the Labrador Current, like a fan across a block of ice. Brrrr!!


Remember that wind dumps its heat into the the cold current very slowly heating it up bit by bit.


Elsewhere someone was combining their references was having trouble as the sea water was 90⁰F. Sea of Cortez I think.

EDIT: Boy did auto spell check do a job on that. Trying again.

Elsewhere someone was complaining their refrigerator was having trouble as the seawater was 90°F. Sea of Cortez I think.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 23

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 02 Jun 2024, 18:17:13

Economics is a dismal since, a complete failure when you look at the trouble the globes' economies are in. Climate science isn't far behind either. It took them a decade to figure out that air temps weren't increasing because the heat was being absorbed by the oceans, it was obvious once it was observed though and that one shouldn't have evaded these bright minds. No they are clueless, and most, like in economics, are hamstrung by their corporate and political masters. Add to that the genuinely unpredictable feedbacks in the climate system and you may as well just throw dice. The whole of the antarctic ice sheet could breakup and slide into the ocean in a decade for all we know.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 23

Unread postby ralfy » Sun 02 Jun 2024, 21:10:13

"Cleaner shipping fuel is contributing to ocean warming, scientists say"

https://www.reuters.com/business/enviro ... 024-05-31/

Shipping fuel regulations introduced in 2020 have led to a substantial cut in sulphur dioxide (SO2) pollution, but may also have made the ocean warmer by reducing cloud cover, according to a modelling study in a paper published late on Thursday.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 23

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 03 Jun 2024, 21:25:12

We need a string of big volcanic eruptions, and 1000 years for the carbon to come back out of the atmosphere.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 23

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 03 Jun 2024, 21:26:50

Newfie wrote:
Tanada wrote:
Newfie wrote:Delhi hit 52.3°C, a new record.

Thats 126 for ‘mericans.

My seasons are all screw up, I’m an Auzzie here.

My winters are spent in the tropics. 85 high with 74 low. Every day and night.
It was 4°C here the other morning, the porch was in the low 20’s 2 days latter.

It generally follows the wind, ince the wind turns North it sweeps across the Labrador Current, like a fan across a block of ice. Brrrr!!


Remember that wind dumps its heat into the the cold current very slowly heating it up bit by bit.


Elsewhere someone was combining their references was having trouble as the sea water was 90⁰F. Sea of Cortez I think.


The Sea of Cortez aka Gulf of California is fairly shallow water and on the north half of its reach it has hot desert on both coasts. Not sure how much the water usually heats up but 90 sounds like comfortable bathing water ;)
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Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 23

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 04 Jun 2024, 23:06:03

Yes, someplace I never wanted to visit.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 23

Unread postby Yonnipun » Fri 05 Jul 2024, 09:38:06

Global warming is a hoax. The planet does not warm, it instead cools. The molten core inside the earth cools.

The earth was a molten blob 4,5 billion years ago with surface temperature over several thousand degrees. But then it started to cool down despite continuous sun exposure and the enormous amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

At 100 surface degree the oceans started to rain down. So called enormous greenhouse gas suddenly started to rain down. As you can see the greenhouse effect caused the water vapour to rain down.

At 30 degrees average surface temperature the megaflora and megafauna lived quite comfortabily. They did not know what ice was.

But the earth continued to cool despite the greenhouse effect. Now we are at lazy 15 degrees celsius. Ice caps at the poles have formed. Megafauna and flora are no longer possible because the climate is too cold.

The earth continues to cool down as long as the molten core inside the earth cools down. Some day in the future at 10 degree average greenhouse clowns are still babbling how 5 degrees warming would cause global collapse.

No greenhouse effect for 4.5 billion years. Only scam to milk money out of taxpayers pockets. Use your own brain and stop reading false propaganda about nuclear bombs, greenhouse gases etc etc.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 23

Unread postby ralfy » Mon 08 Jul 2024, 19:49:25

Yonnipun wrote:Global warming is a hoax. The planet does not warm, it instead cools. The molten core inside the earth cools.

The earth was a molten blob 4,5 billion years ago with surface temperature over several thousand degrees. But then it started to cool down despite continuous sun exposure and the enormous amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

At 100 surface degree the oceans started to rain down. So called enormous greenhouse gas suddenly started to rain down. As you can see the greenhouse effect caused the water vapour to rain down.

At 30 degrees average surface temperature the megaflora and megafauna lived quite comfortabily. They did not know what ice was.

But the earth continued to cool despite the greenhouse effect. Now we are at lazy 15 degrees celsius. Ice caps at the poles have formed. Megafauna and flora are no longer possible because the climate is too cold.

The earth continues to cool down as long as the molten core inside the earth cools down. Some day in the future at 10 degree average greenhouse clowns are still babbling how 5 degrees warming would cause global collapse.

No greenhouse effect for 4.5 billion years. Only scam to milk money out of taxpayers pockets. Use your own brain and stop reading false propaganda about nuclear bombs, greenhouse gases etc etc.


Global surface temperature anomaly goes up and down every few hundred thousand years because of the sun. CO2 ppm goes up and down with it as both a forcing and feedback factor.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 23

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 14 Jul 2024, 18:16:48

He is correct that the Earth is slowly cooling as the core looses heat and the nuclear decay runs down. All other things being constant that would be true on a very long time scale.

Also on that time scale is the sun running low on fuel and eventually swelling and eating Earth. Not so cool.

And it is correct to look at these things on a longer time scale, or at least a time scale consistent with the conversation.

Sea level rise is not a major issue on a yearly basis, it is noticeable on a decadence basis and for infrastructure planning, on a 100 year basis it is a serious concern, but perhaps not when considering multiple millenia.

My Dad explaned how his world had changed and how it was still changing. I try to think of my grandkids and great grand kids.


Climate change, and other topics, get really confusing when people use different time frames.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 23

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 31 Aug 2024, 02:02:48

Last day of Winter down here, Brrrr, 37-C @4pm ( 98-F) Normally on a Saturday I'd hear many groups of motorcyclists passing by down on the main road, heading into town for the coffee shops or out into the mountains beyond. Not today, quiet as a lamb. can't blame them as the last place I'd want to be would be in the open traveling thought a furnace. It's ok for the early part of the morning but by midday and on it's a no show. I'll run the rideon over the front lawns later, just after sundown but I imagine it will still be up in the 30's.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x94pxjg

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Scientists will have a reason for it, a blocking high, a this or that, Strangely the Mainstream media outlets are nearly all silent on it, not in the headlines at all? Very odd considering the consequences and just the sheer historical fact that it's the Hottest ever recorded this time of year, by a good margin.


ABC
More than a thousand people died during the annual hajj in Saudi Arabia when temperatures reached 51.8 degrees Celsius.
Despite Dr King describing this winter heatwave as "remarkable" he said it's not surprising given how much the burning of fossil fuels has caused the planet to warm.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-29/ ... /104279250

Selwyn Snow resort has closed, with operators saying it may reopen in the case of significant snowfall in the coming weeks.


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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 23

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 31 Aug 2024, 23:31:39

theluckycountry wrote:
Scientists will have a reason for it, a blocking high, a this or that....


What do you know about what scientists will say? You couldn't make it out of high school, presuming you know ANYTHING about what we think is just a riot.

It is no different than pretending you know what a tight track is like...without ever proving you are even capable of riding on one.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 23

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 01 Sep 2024, 03:12:28

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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 23

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 06 Sep 2024, 22:16:04

theluckycountry wrote:Economics is a dismal since (sic), a complete failure when you look at the trouble the globes' economies are in.


Once during a conversation with a US Air Force Academy professor, he said something interesting, to whit, "There are only two things that matter in the Universe. The laws of physics, and the will of man."

The laws of physics are the rules of the game that cannot be broken, and the will of man is economics. I've always thought it was easier to think of economics this way, rather than just pointing out it is a social (and dismal) science for a reason.
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