[theluckycountry]

[Newfie]

If anyone here is open to extending “vehicle” to cover a sailboat then I have a nifty link.

It is a young couple, trained as architects, who have an electric sailboat and are pushing the electric envelope to sail as far North as possible.

This video is from a couple of years ago, I have only watched a few more videos but intend to get caught up.

At this point they have been electric sailing 7 years. This will he their 3rd motor. They are still trying to achieve sufficient regeneration while sailing to recharge their battery banks.

They are in Norway above the Arctic Circle heading North. They are great videographers and I find the scenery interesting to compare to here, further South but actually colder.

Anyway, you may find it interesting.

https://youtu.be/HouwSrzKvKU

[Plantagenet]

Yo Newfie:

Thank you for the link to the "SAILING UMA" youtube videos.

First you turned me on to Peter Zeihan and now sailing videos.

I've watched a few of the UMA videos they made about 5 years ago when they were in the Caribbean. Oooo that looks like fun.



Ohmigosh.....and the first mate on the UMA looks great in her bikini.

I've only made two trips to the Caribbean....one to Cuba right after it opened up to US tourism, and another one years earlier to Monserrat when the volcano was erupting and I was invited in to consult on their teeny tiny problem in how to deal with utter devastation.

I've always been curious about all the other islands I haven't seen, and Its fun to get a little peek through the SAILING UMA videos. I just watched the Martinique one where they met up with another young couple who make youtube videos called "SAILING MISCHIEF."

How about you....do you make any YouTube videos about your sailing adventures?

Cheers!

[Newfie]

Plant if you ever saw me know a managing you would not ask if I do youTube videos!

We spent a fewndays in Monseratt, interesting g place but you really need a vehicle. As you know it is very vertically oriented.

I would recommend Saba. VERY interesting island, even steeper than Mjntseratt. There are no safe anchorages because the bottom drops off so fast. We took a moori g in 70' of water and then the dink around to the dock. But again a car is needed.

As a nature lover I would recommend Dominica. Very many volcanos, none real active. They have a large " boiling lake" which is a 6 hour hike if you have good legs. There are many waterfalls and volcanic features and beaches. Just don't stay in the capital city Roseau, stay in Portsmouth. There you will get the true local vibe. Lots of tour guides as it is the principal location for cruisers. It is I.HO the best of the Eastern.Carib.

[theluckycountry]

Getting back on topic.


Hurricane Idalia Aftermath: Saltwater Exposure Causes 'Thermal Runaway' In Flooded Electric Vehicles

This is an unfortunate drawback to EVs but it begs the broader question, How safe will they be in beach environments, in areas where the roads are salted? Over time the salt, aided by moisture in the air, could work its way into packs. These battery packs are all located close to the road so any travel through even shallow salt water would pose a potential danger. The big thing now is the EV 4x4, which users often take fishing, on the beach...

"If you own a hybrid or electric vehicle that has come into contact with saltwater due to recent flooding within the last 24 hours, it is crucial to relocate the vehicle from your garage without delay," a Facebook post by Palm Harbor Fire Rescue reads. "Saltwater exposure can trigger combustion in lithium-ion batteries. If possible, transfer your vehicle to higher ground," the post continued.

Video taken by James McLynas shows another burnt-out Tesla in Pinellas Park.
"Hurricane flooded Tesla Bursts into flames while being towed to the storage lot. Driver picked up the flood damaged Tesla from a storm damaged home and was towing it back when it burst into flames

What's ironic is that government and climate doomsayers say decarbonizing the transportation sector with EVs will save the planet from imminent destruction (remember Greta said the world would end in 2023), but these unproven vehicles are only sparking more headaches.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/hurri ... d-electric

[Plantagenet]

Hurricane Idalia Aftermath: Saltwater Exposure Causes 'Thermal Runaway' In Flooded Electric Vehicles

This is an unfortunate drawback to EVs but it begs the broader question, How safe will they be in beach environments, in areas where the roads are salted? Over time the salt, aided by moisture in the air, could work its way into packs. These battery packs are all located close to the road so any travel through even shallow salt water would pose a potential danger. The big thing now is the EV 4x4, which users often take fishing, on the beach...

Thanks, Lucky. Thats a really good point.

I was appalled that the EVs were exploding after the hurricane because its more evidence that the claim that EVs are "sustainable" is a big lie. The EVs were supposed to last forever because there are so few moving parts in the electric engines, but if they are going to explode when they encounter salty or when an EV scrapes the curb or gets in a minor accident, and if new EVs are going to get scrapped after minor accidents, then EVs aren't sustainable at all.

And now you've brought up the issue of salting the roads. I live in Alaska and we've got salt on our roads....and the salt melts the ice and creates icy puddles of salty water that splash up on cars. It doesn't seem like an EV splashing through a salty puddle is immediately going to explode....but how about after several years of splashing through salty puddles? How about after the salt dries on the car (which it does) and creates a salt crust on the EV battery pack?


In snowy areas dumptrucks drive around dumping salt on the snowy roads....which creates a lot of salt water on the roads.....and contact with salt water is known to make EVs spontaneously combust.

You've raised a very important issue here Lucky. Lets keep an eye out and see if news reports start to appear about EVs mysteriously blowing up after driving on icy salted roads.

THANKS AGAIN.

[theluckycountry]

Thanks plant. I think is you take a skeptical approach to things you can see these issues but if all you wear are rose colored glasses you only ever see what you want to see. I take this approach to most things in life, I look for the problems, ignoring the marketing, and if it proves itself it gets my money. I was thinking of getting a Nissan Leaf a few years ago, don't ask me why, I think it was to reduce fuel bills but mine are negligible anyway.

I read broadly for some weeks and discovered the limitations, the degradation of the range after only 5 or 6 years, the problematic charging. If I had known then about the spontaneous combustion problem I would have dismissed them out of hand. I mean who wants to risk losing their house hey! I don't care what the probabilities say, one in a million would be enough for me to dismiss the idea.

I keep a lot of gasoline in my attached carport, 180L typically. But it's in sealed steel jerrycans that have a 100 year history of being safe, even bouncing around warzones. But today the typical person is afraid of gasoline and would be afraid to store any quantity of it. Use common sense, take precautions, inspect your cans and keep them rust free and you're fine. But with an EV you're at the mercy of an Asian factory, of hundreds of workers getting everything "Right". One bad cell, one faulty circuit and you lose your home or die in an inferno on the side of the freeway.

Jul 10, 2023
Currently, the administration estimates about 3 million of the cars in the U.S. are electric, which is approximately one percent of the total.
https://8billiontrees.com/carbon-offset ... in-the-us/

3 million cars plant. And how many catastrophic fires have we seen. Far too many for my tastes.
Another story says "There's a car fire roughly every five minutes in America. The vast majority of them never make the news" That's because many are arson no doubt. I have seen many burned out cars in my life and many were caused by arson yet you try and find reliable statistics on that!

No, Millions of Cars Are Not Catching Fire Every Year
A New York Times story about U.S. car fires references a study that gets the frequency wrong by a factor of at least 60.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4016 ... tatistics/

Many ICE cars are torched in riots, or just burned on the street for the hell of it. Many many cars used in the commission of crimes are torched as well. I wouldn't be at all surprised if this was one of the major cause of ICE fires.

[theluckycountry]

The EV plateau is coming. It's bad news for companies like Ford and Tesla

...But as the industry runs out of enthusiastic early adopters, a plateau for the segment is on the horizon, some analysts say. The first signs of that came last month when Ford dealers told Insider they had to turn away Mustang Mach-E allocations. (Ford later adjusted its EV production goals to reflect the change in demand growth).

"The spectacular growth we've seen over the last few years cannot be sustained. It's just not possible," said Sam Fiorani, vice president of global vehicle forecasting at AutoForecast Solutions. "The further up this growth curve we go, the harder it's going to be to get to the next level."

This is standard with all technologies, the only difference between them is the level of adoption before the plateau (the peak of adoption) With the mobile phone it was massive, for the electric kettle the same. What will it be for the EV? We don't know as yet, but I can't see it going much higher than it is now myself, for all the reasons brought up in this thread to date.

If the late majority came in last year before the subsidies began to be removed globally we could be almost there. But then there is another factor to consider. Nearly everyone who ever bought a mobile phone or electric kettle embraced the technology and went on to make it a part of their lives. They never looked back. Will that be the case with the EV? Or will there be a lot of buyer remorse, and a switch back to cheaper more practical to refuel ICE cars by many?


chart unrelated to EV adoption, for illustrative purposes only.

The touted story for the past several years was that EVs would have a similar adoption peak to that of ICE cars, full replacement basically, that we would all be driving them eventually. But the slowdown we are seeing in sales does not reflect that. To be fair there are other inventions that suffered drawbacks to their curves as the graph below depicts. I think it's understandable though that the intervention of the Great depression and WWII may have had something to do with many of those setbacks. Especially the automobile, which many could not afford due to the depression and which were basically not manufactured during WWII.


It's clear from the chart that it was made some decades ago, before the mass uptake of the products on the LHS.

Article: https://www.businessinsider.com/ev-elec ... ion-2023-8