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Federal Reserve announces July launch for the FedNow Service

Unread postby jato0072 » Fri 17 Mar 2023, 11:52:35

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"We couldn't be more excited about the forthcoming FedNow launch, which will enable every participating financial institution, the smallest to the largest and from all corners of the country, to offer a modern instant payment solution," said Ken Montgomery, first vice president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston and FedNow program executive. "With the launch drawing near, we urge financial institutions and their industry partners to move full steam ahead with preparations to join the FedNow Service."


Some people say this FedNow system is the precursor to CBDCs in the United States.
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Re: Federal Reserve announces July launch for the FedNow Ser

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 17 Mar 2023, 19:31:01

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"We couldn't be more excited about the forthcoming FedNow launch, which will enable every participating financial institution, the smallest to the largest and from all corners of the country, to offer a modern instant payment solution," said Ken Montgomery, first vice president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston and FedNow program executive. "With the launch drawing near, we urge financial institutions and their industry partners to move full steam ahead with preparations to join the FedNow Service."


Some people say this FedNow system is the precursor to CBDCs in the United States.


I hadn't heard about this before. Could you please explain a bit about why this is important?

Is the FEDNOW service for banks to pay each money.....? Who pays and who gets paid and what are they paying for?

AND

What is a CBDC?

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Elucidate, please......

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Re: Federal Reserve announces July launch for the FedNow Ser

Unread postby jato0072 » Fri 17 Mar 2023, 21:06:51

Google wrote:105 countries, representing over 95% of global GDP, are exploring a CBDC.


CBDC edumication video <--- This one is really good. Start here.

CBDC Update

Fed Now edumication video

The upsides of CBDCs (Central Bank Digital Currencies) are pretty obvious.
The downside will be increased government surveillance on all transactions (once the system is fully implemented). Worse is the "programmability" of individual currencies.

Some examples of programable control could be:
Carbon Credits tied to your ability to spend your digital currency.
Social Credit system tied to your digital currency.
Time limits on spending your currency.
Geo-Location where you can and can't spend your digital currency.
The government's imagination is the only limitation on what they might be able to do someday when it comes to your money.

Apparently, in the United States crypto currency and cash will no longer be accepted. Most of the 50 States are updating their commerce and commercial codes to exclude crypto currencies. Of course, cash will continued to be used during a TBA designated transition period (several years?). I have read read some countries have already stopped using cash (Sweden?).
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Re: Federal Reserve announces July launch for the FedNow Ser

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 17 Mar 2023, 21:25:58

jato0072 wrote:
Google wrote:105 countries, representing over 95% of global GDP, are exploring a CBDC.


CBDC edumication video <--- This one is really good. Start here.


That isn't a bad video at all. Usually they are just half witted conspiracy nonsense, this one was a good explanation. All based on a paper, as opposed to laws passed, problems solved, real things happening, but looks like a good thought experiment.

jato0076 wrote:Apparently, in the United States crypto currency and cash will no longer be accepted. Most of the 50 States are updating their commerce and commercial codes to exclude crypto currencies. Of course, cash will continued to be used during a TBA designated transition period (several years?). I have read read some countries have already stopped using cash (Sweden?).


I didn't notice in the first video much about the US, it was based on an EU analysis. And the US has always wanted cash to not be accepted, if only because of tax collection. I'll bet it won't be any easier than taking away their guns.
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Re: Federal Reserve announces July launch for the FedNow Ser

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 17 Mar 2023, 23:31:19

AdamB wrote:I didn't notice in the first video much about the US, it was based on an EU analysis. And the US has always wanted cash to not be accepted, if only because of tax collection. I'll bet it won't be any easier than taking away their guns.

Except for criminals, large amounts of physical cash are already illegal to use and shunned by most businesses.

Good luck depositing a briefcase full of cash with a legitimate stock broker, for example. (My full service broker just laughed and told a guy who tried to do that, that he couldn't accept that about 35 years ago. I was sitting in his office trading options on an old green screen (before the internet was a big thing), and heard/saw it happen.) With all the worries about terrorism, etc. in the more modern era, all that just got worse. I had to basically sign some stupid thing declaring I wasn't involved in any terrorism to open various bank and brokerage accounts 15ish years ago, re 911 homeland security laws as I recall).

Also, the VAST VAST majority of transactions are already done with digital cash via credit (or debit) cards, or cash transferred electronically through banks via things like ACH (automated clearinghouse), wires, or various bank services to make payments on things like bills, regular payments like rent or mortgages, etc.

Since Covid started I basically have done nothing with any physical cash, and haven't missed it at all. And government can already use credit cards for things like cracking down on tax cheats (I know a guy who does that for his job in my state re businesses, for example). One exception, I do carry around some cash in my wallet (some 20's and 5's) just out of habit, in case credit cards don't work. One day that happened someplace and the clerk was fooling around and apologizing, and I asked if good old fashioned cash would work (advantages of being old school), and he just laughed and said that would be great.

If digital coins are used instead of currency X and the government BACKS it and insures it and ensures the technology is reliable, then for honest people who pay their taxes, I don't see how that's meaningfully different than today's currency and modern electronic banking (including digital payment apps via phone) AS LONG AS there is some good form of backup of the technology goes haywire.

Maybe just as insurance against that, that's enough reason to have gold coins, junk silver coins, etc. Or if you can have some physical cash that will be accepted in the rare event the technology breaks down, that works too.

Governments want to collect taxes due. To the extent technology helps them do that, yeah, they'll like that. As an honest person who doesn't want to be mugged for my physical cash, I've always considered things like credit cards to be a huge plus.
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Re: Federal Reserve announces July launch for the FedNow Ser

Unread postby careinke » Sun 19 Mar 2023, 20:38:52

AdamB wrote:
jato0072 wrote:
Google wrote:105 countries, representing over 95% of global GDP, are exploring a CBDC.


CBDC edumication video <--- This one is really good. Start here.


That isn't a bad video at all. Usually they are just half witted conspiracy nonsense, this one was a good explanation. All based on a paper, as opposed to laws passed, problems solved, real things happening, but looks like a good thought experiment.

jato0076 wrote:Apparently, in the United States crypto currency and cash will no longer be accepted. Most of the 50 States are updating their commerce and commercial codes to exclude crypto currencies. Of course, cash will continued to be used during a TBA designated transition period (several years?). I have read read some countries have already stopped using cash (Sweden?).


I didn't notice in the first video much about the US, it was based on an EU analysis. And the US has always wanted cash to not be accepted, if only because of tax collection. I'll bet it won't be any easier than taking away their guns.


Adam, here is the U.S Fed Reserve Boards You Tube Channel on FED Pay. It is actually the same the same thing as any other CBDC except they put a coat of lipstick on this pig. But it least you can see the real thing (Propaganda), the FED's are shilling. Expect it on line by July.
https://www.youtube.com/@FRBServices

Probably the main reason I'm into Bitcoin, fear of CBDC's.

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