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Re: Let's Discuss Peak Oil For A Change

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 10 Sep 2022, 19:07:05

vtsnowedin wrote:The only other time we had 9%+ inflation was under Jimmy Carter, another stupid Democrat.


Well, I'll give you that Jimmy, while a decent man, was a crappy President. And I know your bias requires you to claim any Democrat is stupid because they aren't in your tribe, but do you have to make it so obvious that to you political affiliation is of more value than...anything?

vtsnowedin wrote: But if you like how things are going and that the democrats are getting things done the way you want them to be you go right ahead and mail in your all Democrat ballot. You will cancel me out but just me.


Again, because your retention appears to be as impaired as your political impartiality, denigrating or supporting one group does not indicate support or objection to the opposing one. I don't like how things are going now, which is no different than I felt under Don the Con. And that was BEFORE his coup attempt.

Your buy in to some of the more stupid ideas you hear on Fox news doesn't earn you much in the way of credibility of being able to think on your own. And I'm a registeded Independent, because of folks like you and Trump and Fox News, and Hiltery, Jimmy, Joe, and the NEA.
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Re: Let's Discuss Peak Oil For A Change

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 10 Sep 2022, 19:38:05

So who is your Independent candidate for the presidency and how many states will he or she be able to get on the ballot?
Ross Perot, George Wallis ? They have effected elections Perot probably handed that election to Clinton and Wallace nearly stripped that election from Nixon . Do you have a candidate that can get on the ballot in enough big states to actually win it?
Just who are you thinking of?
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Re: Let's Discuss Peak Oil For A Change

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 11 Sep 2022, 14:52:42

vtsnowedin wrote:So who is your Independent candidate for the presidency and how many states will he or she be able to get on the ballot?


I don't have one, as the oligarchs won't allow it. As I've explained before, I hold my nose and vote for either A) the least likely to do damage to the country at large or B) separation of power between the Congress and Executive, and national versus local. When either party has control of both houses of Congress and the Executive, I vote to replace that brand with the other brand. Exceptions for seditionists and traitors and whatnot of course.

I would love to have an option between the communists and the fascists, but there is no middle ground allowed in American politics, at least at the national level.

vtsnowedin wrote: Ross Perot, George Wallis ?


I went Perot the first time around. Wallace would fall under the white supremecy, fascist,National Socialist German Workers Party/MAGA exclusion rule.

vtsnowedin wrote:Do you have a candidate that can get on the ballot in enough big states to actually win it? Just who are you thinking of?


Generally I would say that anyone not falling into the communist/fascist extremes of the allowed political parties might work. Comply or be cast out is the game, so I'll just stick to holding my nose and trying to mitigate the damage to joe average.
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Re: Let's Discuss Peak Oil For A Change

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 12 Sep 2022, 02:56:05

AdamB wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:So who is your Independent candidate for the presidency and how many states will he or she be able to get on the ballot?


I don't have one, as the oligarchs won't allow it. As I've explained before, I hold my nose and vote for either A) the least likely to do damage to the country at large or B) separation of power between the Congress and Executive, and national versus local. When either party has control of both houses of Congress and the Executive, I vote to replace that brand with the other brand. Exceptions for seditionists and traitors and whatnot of course.

I would love to have an option between the communists and the fascists, but there is no middle ground allowed in American politics, at least at the national level.
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Can you at least name one candidate you would be happy to vote for?
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Re: Let's Discuss Peak Oil For A Change

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 12 Sep 2022, 07:35:11

How about Nikki Haley?

VT,

Since the election of Trump I now believe ANYTHING is possible. All you need are sufficiently bad opponents.

So were the American public presented a choice between.
Biden
Trump
Haley

Yeah, maybe she could do it.
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Re: Let's Discuss Peak Oil For A Change

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 12 Sep 2022, 08:56:28

Newfie wrote:How about Nikki Haley?

VT,

Since the election of Trump I now believe ANYTHING is possible. All you need are sufficiently bad opponents.

So were the American public presented a choice between.
Biden
Trump
Haley

Yeah, maybe she could do it.

I'd add Hogan and even Cheney and scratch off both Biden and Trump.
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Re: Let's Discuss Peak Oil For A Change

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 12 Sep 2022, 09:02:58

vtsnowedin wrote:
Newfie wrote:How about Nikki Haley?

VT,

Since the election of Trump I now believe ANYTHING is possible. All you need are sufficiently bad opponents.

So were the American public presented a choice between.
Biden
Trump
Haley

Yeah, maybe she could do it.

I'd add Hogan and even Cheney and scratch off both Biden and Trump.


From what I know to date, I could vote for Haley, Hogan and Cheney. With the caveat that there is a still a "hold your nose while voting" component, but I've watched all of them across the length of the Trump administration, and they comport themselves well.
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Re: Let's Discuss Peak Oil For A Change

Unread postby Doly » Mon 12 Sep 2022, 17:26:26

Do you have a candidate that can get on the ballot in enough big states to actually win it?


Everybody knows that such a candidate doesn't exist. Even Trump, that based his campaign essentially on his personality, didn't think he had a chance as an independent. With the American system independents just can't win.
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Re: Let's Discuss Peak Oil For A Change

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 12 Sep 2022, 19:24:23

" everybody knows it" does not make it true. Remember the Whig party? Lincoln was the first Republican. Parties do come and go. It just takes a dynamic candidate that has the positions of the majority.
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Re: Let's Discuss Peak Oil For A Change

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 12 Sep 2022, 20:01:49

Doly wrote:
Do you have a candidate that can get on the ballot in enough big states to actually win it?


Everybody knows that such a candidate doesn't exist.


I believe that was VT's point. As a free thinker unbound by party loyalty, I have no representatives that can actually get elected.

Doly wrote:Even Trump, that based his campaign essentially on his personality, didn't think he had a chance as an independent. With the American system independents just can't win.


Pretty much. But the oligarchs love it, so it isn't about to change.
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Re: Let's Discuss Peak Oil For A Change

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 12 Sep 2022, 20:05:03

vtsnowedin wrote: Parties do come and go. It just takes a dynamic candidate that has the positions of the majority.


Or does a hostile takeover of an existing party. Although that appears to have been ultimately designed as an attempt at setting up a dictatorship rather ruling through the traditional party apparatus.
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Re: Let's Discuss Peak Oil For A Change

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 12 Sep 2022, 20:38:34

AdamB wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote: Parties do come and go. It just takes a dynamic candidate that has the positions of the majority.


Or does a hostile takeover of an existing party. Although that appears to have been ultimately designed as an attempt at setting up a dictatorship rather ruling through the traditional party apparatus.

I think you give Trump way too much credit on that one. He wanted to win of course and have that victory stoke his ego. But having designs on dictatorship and complete control of the country are far above his limited imaginative.
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Re: Let's Discuss Peak Oil For A Change

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 12 Sep 2022, 22:37:58

vtsnowedin wrote:
AdamB wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote: Parties do come and go. It just takes a dynamic candidate that has the positions of the majority.


Or does a hostile takeover of an existing party. Although that appears to have been ultimately designed as an attempt at setting up a dictatorship rather ruling through the traditional party apparatus.

I think you give Trump way too much credit on that one.


Oh, based on the evidence that has been presented under oath and whatnot, I don't think it goes to his credit, the buffoonery of the entire affair. More like "Send in the clowns".

vtsnowedin wrote: He wanted to win of course and have that victory stoke his ego. But having designs on dictatorship and complete control of the country are far above his limited imaginative.


All politicians want to win. And I'll grant you that most things are beyond his abilities, walking down a ramp, understanding weather models and replacing the results of one with a line he draws on a map with a sharpie, telling folks that shining the light into your body because, you know, it cures disease. He has been described as semi-literate and I've never known that to be a compliment for anyone. But sure, I'v give you that someone this slack jawed silly probably doesnt have much of an imagination either.
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Re: Let's Discuss Peak Oil For A Change

Unread postby oldcutlas » Wed 21 Sep 2022, 11:48:45

AdamB wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote: When either party has control of both houses of Congress and the Executive, I vote to replace that brand with the other brand. Exceptions for seditionists and traitors and whatnot of course.



AA defines insanity as: "doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.
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Re: Let's Discuss Peak Oil For A Change

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Wed 21 Sep 2022, 13:01:19

oldcutlas wrote:
AdamB wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote: When either party has control of both houses of Congress and the Executive, I vote to replace that brand with the other brand. Exceptions for seditionists and traitors and whatnot of course.



AA defines insanity as: "doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

I am being miss quoted here. Someone did say that but it was not me. For evidence see the word seditionists which is a word I never use.
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Re: Let's Discuss Peak Oil For A Change

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 21 Sep 2022, 13:03:08

oldcutlas wrote:
AdamB wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote: When either party has control of both houses of Congress and the Executive, I vote to replace that brand with the other brand. Exceptions for seditionists and traitors and whatnot of course.



AA defines insanity as: "doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.


That would certainly fit the party loyalists voting for their constant favorite and getting back, alternatively, the communist brand issues or proto-fascist brand issues. I seek only to balance the power among the allowed parties by voting for divided government.
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Re: Let's Discuss Peak Oil For A Change

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Wed 21 Sep 2022, 13:11:39

AdamB wrote:
oldcutlas wrote:
AdamB wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote: When either party has control of both houses of Congress and the Executive, I vote to replace that brand with the other brand. Exceptions for seditionists and traitors and whatnot of course.



AA defines insanity as: "doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.


That would certainly fit the party loyalists voting for their constant favorite and getting back, alternatively, the communist brand issues or proto-fascist brand issues. I seek only to balance the power among the allowed parties by voting for divided government.

You are agreeing with your own quote.
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Re: Let's Discuss Peak Oil For A Change

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 21 Sep 2022, 14:22:15

vtsnowedin wrote:
AdamB wrote:
oldcutlas wrote:AA defines insanity as: "doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.


That would certainly fit the party loyalists voting for their constant favorite and getting back, alternatively, the communist brand issues or proto-fascist brand issues. I seek only to balance the power among the allowed parties by voting for divided government.

You are agreeing with your own quote.


Should I disagree with myself for some reason? Certainly the prior comment didn't apply to my voting strategy, as it quite often works. Like voting against the Communist control 1993-1995, proto-fascists 2001-2007, Communists 2009-2011, proto-fascists 2017-2019, etc etc. Not sure what to do this year with the Senate tie, so maybe I'll just vote based on trying to flip the state senate seat, as we've got an incumbent versus a newbie? So...dump the incumbent.
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Re: Let's Discuss Peak Oil For A Change

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Wed 21 Sep 2022, 17:08:44

Agreeing with yourself is like a puppy chasing it's tail.
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Re: Let's Discuss Peak Oil For A Change

Unread postby AdamB » Thu 22 Sep 2022, 10:56:08

vtsnowedin wrote:Agreeing with yourself is like a puppy chasing it's tail.


Sort of...but there appeared to be an implication that I shouldn't agree with myself? In either case, the comment of "doing the same thing over and over again" is one I've used on occasions when discussing peak oilers, single party loyalty, Happy McDoomsters in general, etc etc, so I am quite familiar with the concept.
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