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THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 14 Jan 2022, 22:50:24

I just spent another day at hard labor digging my EV out of the snow here in Alaska. :)

We had three big snow storms in a row and then we had a record freezing rain event and then we had a week of -35 to -45* weather. It took me three days just to dig out my driveway to get out to the road. I dug out a narrow path to get the trusty old Subaru out to the road, but the EV is still buried in snow off to the side.

Yup....my shiny new EV was buried under four feet of snow and ice for two three weeks.......you've got to be really careful digging out not to scratch the paint, but now I've got the drivers door dug out and tonight I crawled in and I turned the key and fired it up and......whoa......the thing started right up. A M A Z I N G ! ! !

Of course I still can't drive it......the tires and the car are still mostly buried and frozen hard to the ground in deep mixed ice and snow from the huge freezing rain event......but I've got to give the EV credit for firing up after that week of super cold temperatures. That big EV battery hold a huge amount of power.....and to my amazement it still functions after a week of -30 to -40 temperatures.

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I call that good. 8)

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 16 Jan 2022, 17:06:47

Shaved Monkey wrote:I like the look of the electric BMWs but I cant afford them

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Somehow I don't think this is what the average 'green' had in mind when they began promoting a transition to EV's decades ago, but what the hell, at this point in the fiasco it makes little difference.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 16 Jan 2022, 17:19:47

Plantagenet wrote:I just spent another day at hard labor digging my EV out of the snow here in Alaska. :)
Cheers!


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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 16 Jan 2022, 17:31:06

The devil in the details

Mining giant unveils what world would need to ‘go green’
https://www.rt.com/business/540504-mini ... el-copper/

“So four times [the] nickel needed for the next 30 years than the past 30 years and all to be done as sustainably as possible,” Pant specified... He noted that supplies could dwindle partly due to the fact that metals from certain locations have a very high carbon footprint. This goes against the ‘green’ agenda, unless companies modernize mines in accordance with environmental and safety standards.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 16 Jan 2022, 17:43:26

Plantagenet wrote:
AdamB wrote:Plant can't tell you anything about their experience with an electric, because Plant has none.


Adam likes to make things up about other posters, and then post their lies on the internet.


Plant likes to troll, and claim that "owning" an EV consists of buying it years ago but it hasn't arrived yet.

Nice to see it arrived, but wasn't the one you claimed to have purchased one of those more 3-wheeler type things ToeCutter is partial to?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 16 Jan 2022, 18:15:02

Shaved Monkey wrote:I like the look of the electric BMWs but I can't afford them

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Somehow I don't think this is what the average 'green' had in mind when they began promoting a transition to EV's decades ago, but what the hell, at this point in the fiasco it makes little difference.
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Exactly right.

And EVs are going to get even more expensive as Lithium prices spike......Li prices were up big in 2021 and are predicted to go up even more bigly in coming years....

The promises by Musk and others that someday soon EVs will be cheap and universal is looking more and more like pie in the sky.

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What do pie in the sky and cheap EVs for the masses have in common?........both are imaginary

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 18 Jan 2022, 03:07:41

Yes, there is a future for the EV, just not the one the media portrays. The media loves to regurgitate the marketing spiel from the corporations, who rely on the "green card" for much of their sales and subsidies. Take away the Volks wagen image and you're left with toys for the wealthy which wouldn't be so politically correct. "Next year we'll have a cheap one, next year, next year" "Oops! The price of lithium has shot up, so sorry mom and pop, next year, next year...

It's like the space industry and the drivel they recycle every 5 years about manned missions to mars, moon bases, blah blah blah. Meanwhile it's all one shot military and communications, all low orbit corporate infrastructure so the people of planet earth can download pornography faster and buy handbags of Ebay faster. Better resolution for the motoGP and football games. Not that there is inherently anything wrong with that, but pretending that we will make these other space advances is just BS to keep everyone distracted.

The average drone swallows this rubbish and then comes on sites like this, copy pasting the corporate advertising they have seen on the idiot box as though it's a reality. You can't have a rational conversation with such people, they are disciples of Tech and the earth is parabolic to them. The most pathetic part of it all is that they never learn from the past failures of tech, they simply move onto the latest one and ignore the junkyards full of space shuttles, segways and nuclear reactors.

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A friend was bragging to me a few years back about the ISS, like he owned shares in it or something lol. "Have you actually had a good look at it I said? It looks like one of those humpies you see in a Trailer Park, and just about as solid". It's pathetic, a joke, and in a few more years it'll be out of orbit and a smear across some desert or ocean floor. I don't need a crystal ball to see the future, I've been watching it arrive for 60 years and it isn't what the tech messiahs promised, not even close.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby yellowcanoe » Tue 18 Jan 2022, 11:21:26

Plantagenet wrote:
The promises by Musk and others that someday soon EVs will be cheap and universal is looking more and more like pie in the sky.


And yet there is still the cry that we just need to subsidize EVs for a period of time to bring production costs down. Many countries have played that game and it still hasn't resulted in production costs comparable to a similar sized/configured ICE vehicle. Henry Ford didn't require subsidies to begin mass production of the Model T.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby AdamB » Tue 18 Jan 2022, 12:47:11

yellowcanoe wrote:And yet there is still the cry that we just need to subsidize EVs for a period of time to bring production costs down. Many countries have played that game and it still hasn't resulted in production costs comparable to a similar sized/configured ICE vehicle. Henry Ford didn't require subsidies to begin mass production of the Model T.


And I required none when making the economic decision to purchase either of mine. Lower running costs worked just fine.

Paid $8G for the most recent one I bought, had it a year now, 10k+ miles added to it, a fraction of the running costs of liquid fuels. I won't object to any subsidies offered of course, particularly when the time comes that the wife demands her Tesla. But I'm hoping I can continue pushing that off into the future for.....ever.......
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Tue 18 Jan 2022, 16:12:29

AdamB wrote:
yellowcanoe wrote:And yet there is still the cry that we just need to subsidize EVs for a period of time to bring production costs down. Many countries have played that game and it still hasn't resulted in production costs comparable to a similar sized/configured ICE vehicle. Henry Ford didn't require subsidies to begin mass production of the Model T.


And I required none when making the economic decision to purchase either of mine. Lower running costs worked just fine.

Paid $8G for the most recent one I bought, had it a year now, 10k+ miles added to it, a fraction of the running costs of liquid fuels. I won't object to any subsidies offered of course, particularly when the time comes that the wife demands her Tesla. But I'm hoping I can continue pushing that off into the future for.....ever.......

The longer you wait, the more competition there will be. And I say this as a long term Tesla shareholder (not just for the cars, but for everything they're doing and for the synergies I expect.)

And unlike the fanbois, I realize that the stock is pricing in a lot of success, and I could easily be wrong. OTOH, I'm reaping plenty of option theta while I wait (on much of, but not all of my position), so there's that -- I value real world decent profits over dreams of being super rich and constantly trying to tell myself that will happen if I just believe hard enough.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 20 Feb 2022, 21:07:16

The biggest EV battery fire in history is going on right now on a burning cargo ship drifting in the Atlantic Ocean

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The ship has been on fire over a week and they can't put out the fire.

The cargo ship was carrying over 4000 Porsches and other vehicles to the USA and there was speculation that some of them might be EVs. VW-Porsche refused to comment but the fire fighting company said today they can't put out the fire using standard methods because............reports say the cargo ship was carrying over a thousand EVs and the EV batteries are on fire.

No wonder VW-Porsche wouldn't confirm that there were EVs on the cargo ship. Its got to be pretty embarrassing to have a giant shipment of poshy EVs burning up on a cargo ship.

Which raises another question........how did the fire start?

Did one of the EV batteries spontaneously combust.....as they sometimes do......and did that catch the entire shipment of EVs on fire?

And that raises another question.......whats the best way to ship EVs long distances?

If you ship 1000s of EVs at one time all together on a cargo ship there is a risk that one of them may have a spontaneous combustion event.....and that fire could spread and could burn up the entire shipload of EVs?

And another question......what insurance company in their right mind would insure a cargo shipload of EVs when at any time one of them could spontaneously combust and burn up the entire cargo ship?

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Fire go boom! EVs go boom boom sizzle pop! Cargo ship go plunk plunk gurgle gurgle!

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 21 Feb 2022, 17:40:42

Plantagenet wrote:The biggest EV battery fire in history is going on right now on a burning cargo ship drifting in the Atlantic Ocean


Thanks for the post Plant, interesting isn't it, I can't ever remember a car carrier going up in smoke before, and the dynamics of the fire definitely sound LiPO related. The more they push the technology, energy density etc, the more risk they seem to build into them. I can't ever remember a LEAF going up in smoke.

I have a wood space heater in the upstairs living room and when not in use I charge all my lipo powered devices on it, in winter I charge them on the tiles below it. A friend suggested I switch to lipos for my motorcycles, I said no way, I'll use maintenance chargers If I think I need them but never a lipo, it's simply an unnecessary risk.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 21 Feb 2022, 19:35:48

theluckycountry wrote:I have a wood space heater in the upstairs living room and when not in use I charge all my lipo powered devices on it, in winter I charge them on the tiles below it. A friend suggested I switch to lipos for my motorcycles, I said no way, I'll use maintenance chargers If I think I need them but never a lipo, it's simply an unnecessary risk.

I have no idea what you mean by a lipo devise so please enlighten all of us how you charge any type of battery off a wood stove. :?:
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 21 Feb 2022, 21:57:36

VW-Porsche said today that they can't confirm that an EV spontaneously combusted and started the worlds biggest EV battery fire on the cargo ship.

Nonetheless.......every single EV battery (and all the non EVs as well) seem to be on fire now, making this the world's largest EV battery fire by far.

The fire has been burning so hot its been impossible for anyone to get back on the cargo ship to fight the fire.

If it winds up being a total loss VW-Porsche will lose over $400,000,000 dollars due to this fire.

Fire fighting ships at the huge EV battery fire are spraying sea water onto the burning cargo ship. They report the fire is finally dying down but the ship itself is still far too hot for anyone to get onto it.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 21 Feb 2022, 22:22:31

vtsnowedin wrote: I have no idea what you mean by a lipo devise so please enlighten all of us how you charge any type of battery off a wood stove. :?:


Are you trolling me? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this time.
I said "on" not "off"
like as in "On top of the stove" like in case it "spontaneously catches fire while I'm asleep" It's a simple safety measure, better there than on the timber sideboard beside the synthetic curtains. My HT radios, my phones, my torches all go up there for charging.

Did you know that once upon a time they installed solar inverters in the ceiling cavities of houses? It was to reduce current loss, Solar panels produce DC voltage and it drops over long runs. It all made sense until a few houses burned down from faulty inverters. Now by law they have to be installed on exterior walls, at least here in Australia. In the US they probably allow then in the babies room.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 22 Feb 2022, 08:04:17

theluckycountry wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote: I have no idea what you mean by a lipo devise so please enlighten all of us how you charge any type of battery off a wood stove. :?:


Are you trolling me? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this time.
I said "on" not "off"
like as in "On top of the stove" like in case it "spontaneously catches fire while I'm asleep" It's a simple safety measure, better there than on the timber sideboard beside the synthetic curtains. My HT radios, my phones, my torches all go up there for charging.

Did you know that once upon a time they installed solar inverters in the ceiling cavities of houses? It was to reduce current loss, Solar panels produce DC voltage and it drops over long runs. It all made sense until a few houses burned down from faulty inverters. Now by law they have to be installed on exterior walls, at least here in Australia. In the US they probably allow then in the babies room.

You still have not defined what a "LIPO" device is or how it takes the heat from a wood stove and converts it to electricity?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 22 Feb 2022, 08:42:03

lithium polymer battery
A lithium polymer battery, or more correctly lithium-ion polymer battery (abbreviated as LiPo, LIP, Li-poly, lithium-poly and others), is a rechargeable battery of lithium-ion technology using a polymer electrolyte instead of a liquid electrolyte.

He is just using the surface as a fire proof shelf.

Remember yhe dive boat that caught fire and killed 24? LIPO camera batteries IIRC.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 22 Feb 2022, 12:53:16

Newfie wrote:lithium polymer battery
A lithium polymer battery, or more correctly lithium-ion polymer battery (abbreviated as LiPo, LIP, Li-poly, lithium-poly and others), is a rechargeable battery of lithium-ion technology using a polymer electrolyte instead of a liquid electrolyte.

He is just using the surface as a fire proof shelf.

Remember yhe dive boat that caught fire and killed 24? LIPO camera batteries IIRC.

Thanks I really had no idea what he was talking about but it was late at night and a long time after beer thirty so the problem existed between the monitor and the chair back. :oops:
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby evilgenius » Sat 05 Mar 2022, 10:51:00

You know, I don't even begin to say that I own an EV. I would like to. What I see is that when it becomes obvious to people that they can use solar panels to charge their home battery, and use their home battery to charge their EV, then EV's will, at least, be more desired. The bump in demand will make it possible to see the future. Look, you don't even need that. Exchanges with the grid are equal to that. So is owning so many square feet of solar panels in some solar farm in a desert.

At some point, yes, tires will probably become heavily taxed, or, maybe, the government will get into tracking how many miles everybody drives. Somehow they will need to pay for the roads. But looking askance at EV's merely out of fear of that sort of tracking doesn't make sense. The tracking is a political decision. As I suggested with tire taxes, there are other ways. EV's don't come with automatic changes to society. Those criticisms are only brought by people who haven't thought about the alternatives. They can only fit the future into the past, into their routines.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 05 Mar 2022, 11:04:25

evilgenius wrote:You know, I don't even begin to say that I own an EV. I would like to. What I see is that when it becomes obvious to people that they can use solar panels to charge their home battery, and use their home battery to charge their EV, then EV's will, at least, be more desired. The bump in demand will make it possible to see the future. Look, you don't even need that. Exchanges with the grid are equal to that. So is owning so many square feet of solar panels in some solar farm in a desert.

At some point, yes, tires will probably become heavily taxed, or, maybe, the government will get into tracking how many miles everybody drives. Somehow they will need to pay for the roads. But looking askance at EV's merely out of fear of that sort of tracking doesn't make sense. The tracking is a political decision. As I suggested with tire taxes, there are other ways. EV's don't come with automatic changes to society. Those criticisms are only brought by people who haven't thought about the alternatives. They can only fit the future into the past, into their routines.

Rather then taxing tires or monitoring use they could just assume 15,000 per veh./year , and a gas non consumption based on vehicle weight and raise the annual registration fee from $250 to $300 above what it is now.
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