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Re: The Famine Thread

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 31 Dec 2021, 09:41:48

Tuike wrote:FAO food price index rising fast! Hunger riots on the way?


Not here in the Lucky Country. Eye fillet steak "beef tenderloin" can still be bought for under $20 a kilo in bulk cryovac packs, that's under $10 a lb. And lamb, tasty tasty grass fed lamb for a lot less. Population density is the key. Most nations are too overpopulated, ripe for Jay Hanson's dieoff. If I lived in the US and wanted a secure future I'd buy a couple of hundred acres of good grazing land and raise beef cattle.
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Re: The Famine Thread

Unread postby Pops » Fri 31 Dec 2021, 11:42:07

theluckycountry wrote:
Tuike wrote:FAO food price index rising fast! Hunger riots on the way?


Not here in the Lucky Country. Eye fillet steak "beef tenderloin" can still be bought for under $20 a kilo in bulk cryovac packs, that's under $10 a lb. And lamb, tasty tasty grass fed lamb for a lot less. Population density is the key. Most nations are too overpopulated, ripe for Jay Hanson's dieoff. If I lived in the US and wanted a secure future I'd buy a couple of hundred acres of good grazing land and raise beef cattle.

I've been looking, not much available for less than $5-8k per acre in small portions, even in Missouri. I'd say easily double from 5 years ago—my plan to flip a few houses to build capital and custom build a place backfired on me... at least I have cash, now that we have inflation. :|

Again it is a case of allocation and opportunity cost, if a person really believed starvation was on the way then yes, a patch of grass is perfect. In mid and south Missouri the weather pretty good, typically plenty of rain, and you can grow a variety of things on the best plots—good that is when it isn't trying to kill you. But you need a minimum amount even to raise a milker and calf along with some potatoes. Maybe 10 acres to allow for rotation and some redundancy. So $80k if you can find one. Plus improvements: fencing, well at least, septic if you are gonna stay any length of time, propane tank & power or some PV/batteries/etc. Unless you have experience you probably need to practice making food so you are gonna want at least a 1968 pink 8-wide on blocks and some way to commute to work, unless you work at home.

So $150k-ish. Me I'm ready, I just can't find much.
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Re: The Famine Thread

Unread postby Doly » Fri 31 Dec 2021, 15:39:51

Population density is the key.


To be precise, population density relative to the agricultural output of the country, and agricultural output depends on variables like available water. If I lived in a country that regularly suffers from serious droughts, I wouldn't be entirely relaxed about avoiding famine. There is a lot that a country with plenty of rainfall can do to improve agricultural output. But if there are droughts, the options are a lot less. Cheap desalination does not exist yet.
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