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Re: The Famine Thread

Unread postby Tuike » Sat 08 May 2021, 04:52:53

FAO food price index rising fast! Hunger riots on the way?
http://www.fao.org/worldfoodsituation/f ... sindex/en/
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Re: The Famine Thread

Unread postby Pops » Sat 08 May 2021, 09:15:56

Thanks for the link.

Citigroup last December said the dollar could fall as much as 20% this year. Markets "know" when government invents money and their job is to sop it up.

As well, investors reading goat entrails believe in cycles, $0 oil last year represents a pretty obvious low so it's all up from here. This is a chart of the commodity price index (goat entrails):

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Here is another blog that will scare the crap out of you if you let it. He's all doom all the time so be warned. I figure it is kind of a vaccine against surprise, odds are you weren't necessarily going to die of starvation in a collapse but should you be exposed you have at least considered it so maybe have a little defense.

Reference for "that guy" who reads such tripe and figures he should do a little something:
Last year right about this time I ordered whole yellow corn from Azure Standard and it was about 72¢ a pound for 25#. I just ordered some more last week for 68¢ lb. Here in remote MO I have to pay an 8% drop fee but I don't think that's typical. Even with packaging for storage (mylar/O2 absorber/bucket/lid) you still come way out ahead of "survivalist" stores. Lehman's wants $75. - $3# in a plastic pail that still needs repacking.
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Unread postby Whitefang » Sun 09 May 2021, 04:28:50

https://youtu.be/0fQ0vYvlI20

Brace for impact, not a 2045 thing.
It is happening, now.
Global economy, food production and supply is falling apart.
Grain based society no more.
Cocid vaccins are a pre emptive attack on humanity, killing the elderly, unwanted and children first, then step by step the rest. Transhumanism to keep control over the human crop, human resources, to serve man, a cookbook.
The CCPP in action, Child Consuming Party People.

At 13.30, a force masking food shortages.
at 16.30 Rabobank report.......biblical 7 years of famine.Lean and mean, starvation to extinction.

That were october 2019, might be the reason why they pulled the plug and started the covid insanity.
Event 201 were held that time, final exercize before great reset execution.
Control the world food supply and you are the master, the rest slaves.
Inbetween the people that do as told, usefull idiots that guard, lock down and use terror.
Mainstream science, media, markets, banking, politics, police, judges, education......
At the top? Dark forces behind the scenes.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/shock-vi ... d-tyranny/

This guy grew up in Poland under communist dictatorship, food stamps with long lines to buy bread, even if you had tonnes of cash you could not just buy and sell.
He did an Alex Jones interview, they are testing people now, see how far they can push us into slavery, you will own nothing.
Famine will follow soon after.
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Brace for impact

Unread postby Whitefang » Sun 09 May 2021, 08:25:10

https://www.iceagefarmer.com/

We are staring down the barrel of a confluence of several scenarios–each of which individually is a significant, life-changing event–but which are together conspiring is a dangerous and incendiary situation: food shortages, inflation, and a breakdown of the supply chain. A new media narrative today acknowledges food shortages, and blames animal agriculture, indicating we are reaching an inflection point in the collapse. Expect things to accelerate from here. Let’s have a conversation tonight about where we are, where we’re heading, and how to prepare.


I always thought we humans had time until the BOE, blue ocean event, then global harvest failure, peak humanity and the rest, die off that an elite tries to control by depopulation strategies such as fake vaccins for pseudo problems.
Now I think we are already there, the elite opened fire first.

I still think a farm cannot be defended against the many that go hungry, near impossible to hold things together, even for the elite that took the time and energy to prepare for upcoming events.
Into the wild as a last resort, hunt gather and fish at the hills, mountains and natural places that are left.
No need to defend anything or place, be flexible and nomandic for a while/years.
Cities with hunger games, the country as a last stronghold, then a step into the unknown, the wild.
I'd love to have more time but need to get the farm going this winter.
Learn to make shelter/fire/find water, food etc before the need to make a run for those hills.
Currently trapped in Roosendaal, dutch city life but truck ready to go for a weekly tour du France, down to Bordeaux.

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Paul, a top 1% producer of commodities and specialty crops on over 4000 acres, joins Christian to voice his concerns after the catastrophic growing season in the US and blow the whistle on “a force, an energy” that is working to keep people unaware of the severity of the situation. Without this information, farmers are unable to adjust production, and the market cannot act to ration supply. What happens when the US runs out of grain? — Start growing your own food today.

HUGE thanks to Paul for risking his operation to blow the whistle on this suppression and get the truth out. Now it is up to you and me to spread the word.


Spraying your food with genetically modified spores with custom DNA sequences in order to trace it through the global supply chain sounds like science fiction, but one company funded by SOSV — the same VC behind ‘food replacement’ companies like Memphis Meats, Finless Foods, and NotCo — has made it a reality, and is already testing its technology. Biological barcodes and resource tracking is clearly integral part of the blockchain/AI supply chain being rolled out as part of The Great Reset. But what happens when you eat them? Christian breaks down Aanika and their technology in this Ice Age Farmer broadcast.
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Re: The Famine Thread

Unread postby careinke » Mon 10 May 2021, 01:18:51

Just got an update on our wheat lands in Eastern Oregon from our cousin sharecroppers. Sorry the rainfall data did not come through, but no rain in May so far. We dry farm with no irrigation on about 13" per year.

I hope this message finds you well. As is the case each year, there is good news and bad news as we progress through the year. Right now, it is pretty straight forward. The good news is the price is over $7 for this year’s crop and looks to be holding. The bad news is that it has not rained essentially since February. While we had a dry stretch last spring, it didn’t run this far into May (the forecast is not showing any precip. either). With Dec and Jan being lighter than average, there is not as much in the soil as well – see chart below. May was an anomaly last year with 3 inches. We need that again, but it is not looking strong.

All that said, we do have insurance to limit the down side and the price increases will help. Sorry to be negative on a beautiful Sunday, but anytime I see any material events on the horizon, I like to give people a heads up. As we get closer to harvest I will send you some projections. The wheat stands are strong if we can just get some rain in the next couple of weeks – fingers crossed!



Here’s hoping you are able to get back into your favorite restaurants and a little normal is returning to your lives.



Have a great week and talk to you soon.



So, contrary to expectations, looks like this year will not be good for Eastern Oregon and Washington's wheat harvest.

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Re: The Famine Thread

Unread postby JuanP » Mon 10 May 2021, 12:00:17

"New super hybrid rice variant delivers record high yield in South China"
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202105/1223050.shtml

"A new super hybrid rice variant, named as Chaoyouqianhao, recorded a yield of more than one ton per mu (0.165 acres) in South China's Hainan Province, local media reported.

Yields from three sample areas were collected, averaging at 1,004.83 kilograms per mu, exceeding the expected 900 kilograms. The hybrid rice breed is part of a project to achieve super high yield of 1500 kilogram per mu in two farming seasons, which has six experiment fields in Hainan.

"We have confidence that the goal of 1,500 kilograms / mu can be achieved," Cao Bing, expert on the projects briefed the media. The team is now ready to prepare for the planting for the next season."

We grew rice at the farm for fun last year for the first time in my life because the property owner wanted to. We had the lumber and a pond liner lying around. We built a 400 sq. ft. rice paddy and we harvested a huge amount of rice. The paddy was mostly built for our ducks to swim in, though, because the cowards won't go into our bigger one acre pond.
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Re: The Famine Thread

Unread postby Tuike » Sun 10 Oct 2021, 05:06:48

World food prices hit 10-year peak
https://peakoil.com/consumption/world-f ... -year-peak
http://www.fao.org/worldfoodsituation/f ... sindex/en/

Food prices are rising again after a dip.
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Re: The Famine Thread

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Mon 11 Oct 2021, 14:50:29

Tuike wrote:World food prices hit 10-year peak
https://peakoil.com/consumption/world-f ... -year-peak
http://www.fao.org/worldfoodsituation/f ... sindex/en/

Food prices are rising again after a dip.

I checked food commodities, relative to this story yesterday on tradingeconomics re their long term charts.

Meat prices are generally high. Common non-meat commodity prices are generally closer to the average over the past decade or so, looking at a range of food categories.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: The Famine Thread

Unread postby Pops » Mon 11 Oct 2021, 19:09:32

China halts phosphate exports
Michigan Farm Bureau
China is the world's top exporter of phosphate, which is applied to roughly 300 million acres of U.S. cropland each year. China is banning the export of phosphate, a major component of commercial fertilizer, through 2022.

“Fertilizer prices have increased dramatically in recent years, and the news coming from China will more than likely help this trend continue,” said Theresa Sisung, field crops specialist for the Michigan Farm Bureau. “Farmers should talk to their retailers sooner rather than later to discuss their options for purchasing fertilizer for their 2022 crop needs.”


Urea too I think.

The National Development and Reform Commission said fertilizers are important for agricultural production and maintaining food security, and urged authorities to ensure stable prices and prioritize the supply of raw materials and energy to chemical fertilizer companies, according to a WeChat statement. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ertilizers
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Re: The Famine Thread

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 11 Oct 2021, 23:23:54

Pops wrote:
China halts phosphate exports
Michigan Farm Bureau
China is the world's top exporter of phosphate, which is applied to roughly 300 million acres of U.S. cropland each year. China is banning the export of phosphate, a major component of commercial fertilizer, through 2022.

“Fertilizer prices have increased dramatically in recent years, and the news coming from China will more than likely help this trend continue,” said Theresa Sisung, field crops specialist for the Michigan Farm Bureau. “Farmers should talk to their retailers sooner rather than later to discuss their options for purchasing fertilizer for their 2022 crop needs.”


Urea too I think.

The National Development and Reform Commission said fertilizers are important for agricultural production and maintaining food security, and urged authorities to ensure stable prices and prioritize the supply of raw materials and energy to chemical fertilizer companies, according to a WeChat statement. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ertilizers


Meanwhile at the same time billions of tons of fertilizer including phosphates and urea are flushed through sewage treatment plants from coast to coast and Florida to Alaska and dispersed to waterways as if doing so made perfect sense.
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Re: The Famine Thread

Unread postby Pops » Tue 12 Oct 2021, 08:15:00

Tanada wrote:Meanwhile at the same time billions of tons of fertilizer including phosphates and urea are flushed through sewage treatment plants from coast to coast and Florida to Alaska and dispersed to waterways as if doing so made perfect sense.

I just said on another board that global trade is a self-organizing system with only one motivation, to make a profit. Sure, people want to believe someone or some thing is in charge, trying to get the thing to make sense.
But in really it's just the invisible hand.
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Re: The Famine Thread

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Tue 12 Oct 2021, 10:58:38

Pops wrote:
Tanada wrote:Meanwhile at the same time billions of tons of fertilizer including phosphates and urea are flushed through sewage treatment plants from coast to coast and Florida to Alaska and dispersed to waterways as if doing so made perfect sense.

I just said on another board that global trade is a self-organizing system with only one motivation, to make a profit. Sure, people want to believe someone or some thing is in charge, trying to get the thing to make sense.
But in really it's just the invisible hand.

How could it be otherwise?

Governments all are self-interested. They have different philosophies, laws, and constituents (with their own agendas) to respond to.

And no way are global entities that try to work out differences between various countries (like say the world courts or the UN) going to manage, much less micromanage global trade AT ALL effectively.

Markets are FAR from perfect, but the profit motivation, over time, works far better than the tower of babel trying to run things (government entities) ever could. And trade WORKS re raising overall benefit to the participants over time -- or they wouldn't keep DOING so much of it decade after decade.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: The Famine Thread

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 12 Oct 2021, 12:43:33

Pops wrote:
Tanada wrote:Meanwhile at the same time billions of tons of fertilizer including phosphates and urea are flushed through sewage treatment plants from coast to coast and Florida to Alaska and dispersed to waterways as if doing so made perfect sense.

I just said on another board that global trade is a self-organizing system with only one motivation, to make a profit. Sure, people want to believe someone or some thing is in charge, trying to get the thing to make sense.
But in really it's just the invisible hand.


Certainly it is a lot simpler and therefor cheaper to just pitch out human waste products rather than recycling them as fertilizer, but this is mostly a western problem. I don't know what large Asian cities do with their sewage but I know the tradition of using "night soil" as fertilizer on farm fields is a truly ancient practice in rural Asian communities.

Wait one, I know the city of Singapore recovers as much of the sewage water as possible because reclaiming this water is a lot cheaper than desalinating raw sea water and they pump it right back into the city water supply as reclaimed water. If LA and other big desert cities were to do the same it would steeply reduce their water demand by as much as 25%. It is one thing to just throw away all that water for a city like Detroit or Saint Louis where fresh water is abundant, but in desert cities like LA and Phoenix simply disposing of sewage water is a really dumb practice. To be fair Phoenix does recover some of it for use as cooling supply water for their three Nuclear and other fossil fuel power plants but they do not make it potable. They just filter out all the suspended material before using it as it does not need to be potable.
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Re: The Famine Thread

Unread postby Pops » Tue 12 Oct 2021, 17:01:57

Tanada, I think most places simply flush sewage into the nearest body of water without treatment, or each house has individual septic or lagoon more likely. How does one truck or pipe that sludge from Boston to Iowa? What about the rest of the pollutants, heavy metals and what-all?

When we're all back to scraping in the dirt for sustenance it might be a thing again, when the farm is out the backdoor.. But no time soon. Really, it is a case of engineering a fix for the last engineering fix of the previous engineering fix. Some of the 8 billion problems we have just have no good or sensible solution.

Heck, expect 50% of the country to go out on strike because CA outlawed leaf blowers.

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