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Unread postby Peak_Yeast » Thu 09 Sep 2021, 14:43:15

Sorry. I thought it was a question. I am not arguing or taking any sides in these exchanges of opinion.

I have seen enough to know that I know nothing and must guess at everything.

The world is sick enough to do all the worst imaginable (we have been there and done that more times that can be counted) and the world is gullible enough to explain it all away and at the same time full enough of paranoia to make up anything and everything - both seen every single day.
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Re: How Afghan false-flag plays into US "Great Harvest" end-

Unread postby Polybius » Thu 09 Sep 2021, 18:08:54

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Unread postby AdamB » Fri 10 Sep 2021, 14:36:24

theluckycountry wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:
theluckycountry wrote:.... the little yellow parasites .... the "Yellow Peril" ....


Do you hate all Asian people or just the Japanese?

Cheers!

I stopped reading right here, you are either a troll, more than likely, or you are simply incapable of reading a post and discerning it's logical order.


Plant does some decent trolling though, I tend to appreciate in the language when it manages to condemn while pretending to praise. Plant does it pretty well. Try not to be offended, some folks just gotta do what they gotta do, and at least if they are clever about it, on occasion they might come up with a kernel of an idea that is worth reading. Sometimes they are just stupid as stumps, Plant claims to own an EV, but doesn't know the difference between a Chevy Bolt and a Chevy Volt. I'm not convinced of the truth of the former, based on the ignorance demonstrated in the latter.
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Re: How Afghan false-flag plays into US "Great Harvest" end-

Unread postby suxs » Sun 12 Sep 2021, 23:26:18

If you really think the US defeat of Japan in 1945 followed by subsequent US occupation and the chaotic pullout of US troops from Afghanistan last month are similar,


That's not the focus of comparison. Matter of fact, the language you attribute to the other poster about "the chaotic pullout and feckless Biden" is pure Plant. Any opportunity to shit on Biden and the Dems is what motivates Plant, regardless of applicability to the conversation.

Plant would never acknowledge the decision to pull U.S. troops out of Afghanistan was part of an agreement Trump forged with the Taliban in February 2020 to withdraw all US military forces by May 1, 2021. The Trump administration began a drawdown of U.S. forces, and about 2,500 U.S. troops remained by the time he left office.

If Plant cared a whit about substance, he would be swooning for Joe Biden. The Afghanistan pullout, which Republicans now blame on Biden, is the clearest case of Trump policy continuity. Trump had agreed with the Taliban on a May 1 withdrawal, and Biden’s only change was to add four months for the evacuation — not enough, as it turned out. “I started the process. All the troops are coming back home,” Trump boasted at a rally in April. Trump continued to proclaim the Biden administration “couldn’t stop the process. They wanted to, but it was very tough.” Trump closed by strongly recommending Biden not waiver from the agreed-upon withdrawal date “as close to” his May 1 pullout date “as possible.”
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Re: How Afghan false-flag plays into US "Great Harvest" end-

Unread postby FamousDrScanlon » Mon 13 Sep 2021, 00:23:33

How bin Laden won-The American empire is finally crumbling

Piecing together the themes of bin Laden’s various statements to the outside world in the years immediately before and after 9/11, a specific, concrete plan emerges, by which the “slave of God” — as the billionaire son of a Yemen-born construction magnate styled himself — would accelerate the collapse of the American empire through embroiling it in long, unwinnable and expensive ground wars in the Islamic world.


https://unherd.com/2021/09/how-bin-lade ... came-true/

Perhaps the brass should let the troops liberate a few classrooms in Grenada again....you know, as a confidence building exercise.
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Re: How Afghan false-flag plays into US "Great Harvest" end-

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 13 Sep 2021, 00:40:40

FamousDrScanlon wrote:How bin Laden won-The American empire is finally crumbling

Piecing together the themes of bin Laden’s various statements to the outside world in the years immediately before and after 9/11, a specific, concrete plan emerges, by which the “slave of God” — as the billionaire son of a Yemen-born construction magnate styled himself — would accelerate the collapse of the American empire through embroiling it in long, unwinnable and expensive ground wars in the Islamic world.


https://unherd.com/2021/09/how-bin-lade ... came-true/

Perhaps the brass should let the troops liberate a few classrooms in Grenada again....you know, as a confidence building exercise.


First of all, the United States is not an empire.

And second, there is a simple solution that would allow the US to change course and start to deal with the problems you are concerned about

The simplest solution is to impeach Joe Biden......that would be a good start to fixing the problem completely.

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Re: How Afghan false-flag plays into US "Great Harvest" end-

Unread postby suxs » Mon 13 Sep 2021, 00:47:36

Yeah, no doubt bin Laden is deeply disappointed with the US withdrawal from Afghanistan, although he might remark "It's a damn good start." His primary objective was to embroil the US in constant warfare with the ME thereby resulting in the bankruptcy of the US treasury. Total expenditures to date are $2.6 TRILLION. Since the war was paid for by adding to the national debt, by 2050 the war is projected to have cost $6.5 TRILLION.

Interesting video about the opportunity costs of the Afghanistan debacle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi0HGYftyLQ
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Re: How Afghan false-flag plays into US "Great Harvest" end-

Unread postby FamousDrScanlon » Mon 13 Sep 2021, 01:20:04

WTF does Joe Biden have to do with the US Empire's inability to win a war since 1945?

Is there anything you Americans won't politicize?



US empire & a one party system.

A Record of Unparalleled Failure
Don’t Walk Away from War
It’s Not the American Way


The United States has been at war — major boots-on-the-ground conflicts and minor interventions, firefights, air strikes, drone assassination campaigns, occupations, special ops raids, proxy conflicts, and covert actions — nearly nonstop since the Vietnam War began. That’s more than half a century of experience with war, American-style, and yet few in our world bother to draw the obvious conclusions.

Given the historical record, those conclusions should be staring us in the face. They are, however, the words that can’t be said in a country committed to a military-first approach to the world, a continual build-up of its forces, an emphasis on pioneering work in the development and deployment of the latest destructive technology, and a repetitious cycling through styles of war from full-scale invasions and occupations to counterinsurgency, proxy wars, and back again.

So here are five straightforward lessons — none acceptable in what passes for discussion and debate in this country — that could be drawn from that last half century of every kind of American warfare:

1. No matter how you define American-style war or its goals, it doesn’t work. Ever.

2. No matter how you pose the problems of our world, it doesn’t solve them. Never.

3. No matter how often you cite the use of military force to “stabilize” or “protect” or “liberate” countries or regions, it is a destabilizing force.

4. No matter how regularly you praise the American way of war and its “warriors,” the U.S. military is incapable of winning its wars.

5. No matter how often American presidents claim that the U.S. military is “the finest fighting force in history,” the evidence is in: it isn’t.

And here’s a bonus lesson: if as a polity we were to take these five no-brainers to heart and stop fighting endless wars, which drain us of national treasure,


https://tomdispatch.com/engelhardt-a-re ... d-failure/


The US Empire Is Crumbling Before Our Eyes
With unprecedented economic inequality and massive overspending on military expansion, America now looks a lot like 476 CE Rome.


Imperialism? What’s That Supposed to Mean?

What better source for a definition of imperialism than the Encyclopedia Britannica, that compendium of knowledge first printed in 1768 in the country that became the great empire of the 19th and first part of the 20th centuries? According to the Encyclopedia, “imperialism” denotes “state policy, practice, or advocacy of extending power and dominion, especially by direct territorial acquisition or by gaining political and economic control of other areas.” Furthermore, imperialism “always involves the use of power, whether military or economic or some subtler form.” In other words, the word indicates a country’s attempts to control and reap economic benefit from lands outside its borders.


https://www.thenation.com/article/socie ... e-decline/
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Re: How Afghan false-flag plays into US "Great Harvest" end-

Unread postby suxs » Mon 13 Sep 2021, 01:31:50

Jimmy Carter, the peace president, is the only president not to have presided over a nation at war since the 1920s.
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Re: How Afghan false-flag plays into US "Great Harvest" end-

Unread postby FamousDrScanlon » Mon 13 Sep 2021, 03:39:59

Afghanistan is no longer your concern boy. Your house is sooooo damn far out of order how any of you could possibly waste any time worrying about another country is beyond me. Are you not embarrassed enough? You want to go back for another Taliban ass whooping? While your at it why not stop by Vietnam so they can bitch slap you all over again too?
It's not just the military. The US has gone from 1st or close to it, to worst in every category that matters in less than 2 generations. Mass shootings are the only thing you're #1 at. It's lost on you. Like most Americans, you lack insight & self reflection. You'll probably go down all the harder for it.
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Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 13 Sep 2021, 04:30:17

suxs wrote:Jimmy Carter, the peace president, is the only president not to have presided over a nation at war since the 1920s.

The cold war was still on and there was that 444 days of our embassy staff being held hostage in Iran.
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Unread postby mousepad » Mon 13 Sep 2021, 07:32:05

FamousDrScanlon wrote:Mass shootings are the only thing you're #1 at.


That's not true. The US is also making the worlds best hamburgers.
Me, a hamburger aficionado, can vouch for it. I tried them all. The US is the best.
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Re: How Afghan false-flag plays into US "Great Harvest" end-

Unread postby suxs » Mon 13 Sep 2021, 22:09:32

The cold war was still on and there was that 444 days of our embassy staff being held hostage in Iran.


Your douchy nonsense is entirely irrelevant, yet predictable considering the source, lol.
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Re: How Afghan false-flag plays into US "Great Harvest" end-

Unread postby suxs » Mon 13 Sep 2021, 22:20:56

The cold war was still on and there was that 444 days of our embassy staff being held hostage in Iran.


vtsnowedin's douchiness is entirely irrelevant, yet predictable considering the source, lol.
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Re: How Afghan false-flag plays into US "Great Harvest" end-

Unread postby evilgenius » Tue 14 Sep 2021, 05:35:55

Plantagenet wrote:
FamousDrScanlon wrote:How bin Laden won-The American empire is finally crumbling

Piecing together the themes of bin Laden’s various statements to the outside world in the years immediately before and after 9/11, a specific, concrete plan emerges, by which the “slave of God” — as the billionaire son of a Yemen-born construction magnate styled himself — would accelerate the collapse of the American empire through embroiling it in long, unwinnable and expensive ground wars in the Islamic world.


https://unherd.com/2021/09/how-bin-lade ... came-true/

Perhaps the brass should let the troops liberate a few classrooms in Grenada again....you know, as a confidence building exercise.


First of all, the United States is not an empire.

And second, there is a simple solution that would allow the US to change course and start to deal with the problems you are concerned about

The simplest solution is to impeach Joe Biden......that would be a good start to fixing the problem completely.

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Its time to impeach Joe Biden

Cheers!

When I was out in Utah over the recent holiday, I saw a flag flying from a house that used a similar theme. A theme that at first made it look like it was trying to reel you in, then pitching you the actual message. It too looked like a Biden thing. You know, that didn't come with actual hatred as the message, but some clever ploy that would lead you to think about hatred.

I've begun to realize the US is in danger. We like to talk about the Taliban. They live and breathe right here, in the United States! They have all of these morality rules. What is ultimately right, though, comes down to who is in power. A lot of people have to die for those in power to remain in power. Trump will come back for sure. He will, at least, come and poison the waters. What will rise up out of them as a result of that toxic sludge could be very dangerous. America has never been where it couldn't trust what might come up out of that situation. We've haven't battled the bad side of democracy that much, where the mob bullies the minority because it perceives it finally has the ability to do so. It having been held down for so long by, fill in the blank.
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Re: How Afghan false-flag plays into US "Great Harvest" end-

Unread postby Peak_Yeast » Wed 22 Sep 2021, 18:30:48

"The US and allied forces held a well-publicized international tribunal in Tokyo for major Japanese war criminals who ordered the war crimes,"

If punishing war criminals is pardoning them and their lackeys and giving them citizenship in return for decoding the results of some of the most horrific war crimes in history - then yes you are correct.

Please learn about unit 731 - your own US government just released the files.

Actually we all know it is not the only example...
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Re: How Afghan false-flag plays into US "Great Harvest" end-

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 23 Sep 2021, 01:16:12

Susx"
The cold war was still on and there was that 444 days of our embassy staff being held hostage in Iran.



vtsnowedin's douchiness is entirely irrelevant, yet predictable considering the source, lol.

Douchiness???
Are you implying that the cold war was not still a fact in the late 1970s or that the hostage situation in Iran did not happen? Facts are facts douche or not.
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Re: How Afghan false-flag plays into US "Great Harvest" end-

Unread postby suxs » Sat 25 Sep 2021, 06:21:58

If you fail to recognize the difference between a hot war and a cold war, yeah, that's douchey. Besides, anyone with half a brain sees your irrelevant and feeble attempt to interject partisan politics for what it is, douchey. You're a jealous crank. That much is all too obvious.

Jimmy Carter reminds us what it felt like to have a president who was honest, truthful, gracious, and compassionate. He was a champion of civil rights long before it was politically correct, which is why Dr. Martin Luther King’s mother, father, wife, and family were early supporters.

President Carter is the only president to have negotiated a true and lasting Middle East peace agreement. Forty-two years ago, the Camp David Peace Accord was signed between two historic enemies- Israel and Egypt. Ever since then peace and cooperation have existed.

When President Begin of Israel and President Sadat of Egypt were asked why Carter succeeded while all other presidents failed, they replied that Carter could be trusted to be a fair arbiter.

Every US president since Hoover has presided over a state of perpetual warfare, except for one Peace President- Jimmy Carter.
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Re: How Afghan false-flag plays into US "Great Harvest" end-

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 25 Sep 2021, 08:10:06

While Camp David accords was and still is a win for Carter it was more then balanced out by the hostage situation in Iran. That we had four years of peace right after the end if Vietnam was a product of the times more then anything Carter had to do with it. On all other fronts Carter was a failure from inflation, the economy and energy policy etc. and his staff was always in way above their heads.
You can fawn over him if you choose but he was a failure and deserved to be only a one term President and the election results in 1980, 44 states to Reagan to 6 for Carter show the the majority of Americans shared that view.
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Unread postby evilgenius » Sat 25 Sep 2021, 09:38:53

Plantagenet wrote:
Polybius wrote:... carbon quota caps to explain away the new situation of Americans having to start living within their means
Carbon tax goes brrrrr!


Yup.

A carbon tax is the simplest and most efficient way to reduce CO2 emissions.

IMHO Its long overdue.

But its very unlikely to be enacted because the Ds won't do it.

For instance Biden and other Ds said they wanted a carbon tax back in 2020 during the elections, but once they're in office and in control the subject never comes up again.

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Aren't both parties guilty of that? I think it is due to the system, which allows campaign contributors to put their foot down at certain changes. There is no insulation between our representatives and their donors on certain things. Regardless of how they stand personally, they act another way professionally. You know, what it does is present us with a challenge to reform our democracy. But it's so scary dealing with these questions because we don't have a way to tone the louder voices down, so that the softer voices can be heard. We still want to hear the louder voices. We just don't want to hear only the louder voices.
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