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Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 10 Apr 2021, 22:47:56

yellowcanoe wrote: if we really want to eradicate this virus as much as possible and reopen the world to travel we need to help third world countries vaccinate their people.


Not really.

For decades now western travelers have been getting vaccinated for various pestilential tropical diseases and safely traveling to those regions where the local population isn't vaccinated. For example I've personally been vaccinated for yellow fever and other things on my various trips to New Guinea, Indonesia, central Africa, etc. and I was able to safely travel in areas where the local population is being affected by a range of nasty diseases ----- and thousands and thousands of other travelers did the same thing for many years before the China virus emerged.

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When you are vaccinated for a disease, it is safe to travel in areas where people have that disease. Thats why people are required to get travel vaccinations before traveling to some countries

The whole idea that you have to totally eradicate a disease from the world before people can safely travel again is just silly.

The US and other countries are being extremely generous and have committed to spend billions on various programs to vaccinate people for covid in third world countries...but lets not pretend that this is necessary to make travel safe. Its being done for primarily for humanitarian reasons. It would be nice if the world could find a way to eradicate covid and all its variants everywhere in the world, but that is unlikely to happen.

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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 24 Apr 2021, 01:26:30

The three-part PBS/BBC special on Greta Thunberg turned out to be very good. It followed Greta for a year during which she went to multiple climate conferences and to various sites where climate change is happening or fossil fuels are being produced.

It was surprisingly educational.

Greta also visited several scientists who were involved in trying to sequester CO2, and asked them direct questions that showed that various projects weren't really going to do very much in the real world.

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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby dissident » Sun 25 Apr 2021, 10:14:56

So instead of "dry science" humans need some quasi-celebrity making emotional appeals to get motivated. Every human has a brain, but most don't use it.
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby Ibon » Sun 25 Apr 2021, 18:17:45

dissident wrote:So instead of "dry science" humans need some quasi-celebrity making emotional appeals to get motivated..


It helps actually.....
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 26 Apr 2021, 10:20:48

Ibon wrote:
dissident wrote:So instead of "dry science" humans need some quasi-celebrity making emotional appeals to get motivated..


It helps actually.....


In selling perhaps, my objection to the concept of using celebrity endorsements is that the enthusiasm for the idea is really enthusiasm in agreeing with the celebrity, not the intended audience beginning to think for themselves.
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby Ibon » Mon 26 Apr 2021, 12:34:34

AdamB wrote:
Ibon wrote:
dissident wrote:So instead of "dry science" humans need some quasi-celebrity making emotional appeals to get motivated..


It helps actually.....


In selling perhaps, my objection to the concept of using celebrity endorsements is that the enthusiasm for the idea is really enthusiasm in agreeing with the celebrity, not the intended audience beginning to think for themselves.


If thinking for youself is a criteria for getting a majority of the world on board on climate change then sorry it aint happening. when folks put their sheeple hopes on to politicians celebrities or religions then the best one hopes for is that like Greta their charisma and status is based on science and integrity.

It takes a lot of voices coming from many directions. I never understood the disdain or animosity toward Greta???
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 26 Apr 2021, 20:03:29

Ibon wrote: I never understood the disdain or animosity toward Greta???


Me either.

She is totally sincere and genuine in her concern about climate change, and she has been amazingly effective in mobilizing people around the planet to protest climate change.

Not that it does any good, but at least Greta is trying.

I find Greta fascinating as a cultural phenomena. You can find examples of the child-as-prophet in almost every culture and religious tradition, and Greta is a manifestation of the child-as-prophet phenomena for our times, when people sense that a climate change apocalypse lies just ahead and there is nothing we can do about it.

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And LO.....it came to pass that Child prophet Greta Thunberg met the devil........

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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby aadbrd » Tue 25 May 2021, 09:05:23

It doesn't do any good because people won't modify their lifestyles--including Greta's disciples.
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 30 May 2021, 20:28:49

aadbrd wrote:It doesn't do any good because people won't modify their lifestyles--including Greta's disciples.


Of course not. Thats what I’ve been saying for years.

But a child prophet leading a children’s crusade is a very interesting story.

I wonder what Greta will do next….will she denounce her own followers? Will she give up on warning about climate change and instead turn into just another phony left-wing social justice warrior? Will she become a normal suburban housewife with an SUV and 2.5 children?

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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby aadbrd » Mon 31 May 2021, 16:51:47

Plantagenet wrote:Thats what I’ve been saying for years.


Not just saying, but doing (or lack thereof). But go on and continue to obsess over your teen-idol savior. Obsessing over public figures is what you seem to do best.
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Re: Greta Thunberg's Voyage Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 31 May 2021, 19:41:10

aadbrd wrote:..... teen-idol savior.


You're the one who says Greta is a "teen-idol savior", not me.

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