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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt. 5

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 03 Jun 2020, 17:40:57

The Chinese government now admit the Wuhan virus didn’t originate in the Wuhan wet market. They tested samples of everything in the market and nothing in the market tested positive for the virus.

So where did the virus come from?

Either the virus was released somehow from the huge collection of Similar viruses at the Wuhan bio lab or it came from some other population of bats or cats or pangolins or something somewhere.

But there is no population Of animals elsewhere with the Wuhan virus in it.

So that leaves the Wuhan bio lab as the most likely source of the virus.

No wonder the CHinese Government tried so hard to coverup this virus.....they created it and they are responsible for its release in CHina and then to the world.

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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt. 5

Unread postby C8 » Wed 03 Jun 2020, 21:16:11

New coronavirus losing potency, top Italian doctor says

ROME, May 31 (Reuters) - The new coronavirus is losing its potency and has become much less lethal, a senior Italian doctor said on Sunday.

"In reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy," said Alberto Zangrillo, the head of the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan in the northern region of Lombardy, which has borne the brunt of Italy's coronavirus contagion.

"The swabs that were performed over the last 10 days showed a viral load in quantitative terms that was absolutely infinitesimal compared to the ones carried out a month or two months ago," he told RAI television.

Italy has the third highest death toll in the world from COVID-19, with 33,415 people dying since the outbreak came to light on Feb. 21. It has the sixth highest global tally of cases at 233,019.

However new infections and fatalities have fallen steadily in May and the country is unwinding some of the most rigid lockdown restrictions introduced anywhere on the continent.

Zangrillo said some experts were too alarmist about the prospect of a second wave of infections and politicians needed to take into account the new reality.

"We've got to get back to being a normal country," he said. "Someone has to take responsibility for terrorizing the country."

The government urged caution, saying it was far too soon to claim victory.

"Pending scientific evidence to support the thesis that the virus has disappeared ... I would invite those who say they are sure of it not to confuse Italians," Sandra Zampa, an undersecretary at the health ministry, said in a statement.

"We should instead invite Italians to maintain the maximum caution, maintain physical distancing, avoid large groups, to frequently wash their hands and to wear masks."

A second doctor from northern Italy told the national ANSA news agency that he was also seeing the coronavirus weaken. "The strength the virus had two months ago is not the same strength it has today," said Matteo Bassetti, head of the infectious diseases clinic at the San Martino hospital in the city of Genoa.

"It is clear that today the COVID-19 disease is different." (Reporting by Crispian Balmer; Additional reporting by Giuseppe Fonte; Editing by Giles Elgood)


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This happens quite often BTW. Some of the virus mutates into a less deadly form. Since the mildly infected don't feel as sick, they continue meeting people and spreading the weaker virus. Those who get the deadlier virus self quarantine or are hospitalized because they don't feel well or don't want to infect others. This give the weaker version of the virus a competitive advantage to spread over the deadlier version. The weaker version acts like a vaccine.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled program: conspiracy theories.
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt. 5

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 03 Jun 2020, 22:38:04

C8 wrote:New coronavirus losing potency, top Italian doctor says
...This happens quite often BTW. Some of the virus mutates into a less deadly form. Since the mildly infected don't feel as sick, they continue meeting people and spreading the weaker virus. Those who get the deadlier virus self quarantine or are hospitalized because they don't feel well or don't want to infect others. This give the weaker version of the virus a competitive advantage to spread over the deadlier version. The weaker version acts like a vaccine.


I certainly hope you are right about this happening with the Wuhan virus. The virus is clearly mutating....DNA studies show there are already multiple varieties, although they vary only slightly so far.

But there is no guarantee that future mutations will make the virus less deadly. The 1918 flu virus had mutated into a far DEADLIER version when it came back in the second wave.

C8 wrote:We now return you to our regularly scheduled program: conspiracy theories.


The science of epidemiology is not a "conspiracy theory." :)

In dealing with disease outbreaks and global pandemics it is important to identify the source of the outbreak. Time after time determining the source of infections has proven essential in eliminating the source of the infection and in stopping new infections. John Snow, the founder of modern epidemiology, stopped a cholera outbreak in 19th century London by identifying a public water pump contaminated by cholera....he removed the handle and the outbreak stopped.

Without knowing the source of the current Corona virus outbreak the danger exists of repeated new outbreaks. I normally find your posts to be lucid and thoughtful, but your claim that efforts to determine the source of the Wuhan virus are "conspiracy theories" are quite wrong, IMHO. Determining the source of the Wuhan virus, no matter what it is, is essential to understanding the origin and the spread of this virus, and also essential to preventing similar outbreaks from recurring in the future. If there is a community of bats or some other animal infected with this virus somewhere in China, then they need to be found and located.

However, it appears that no such community of animals infected with this virus appears to exist in the wild. And the Chinese government has now offically stated the virus didn't come from the Wuhan wet market. So that raises the question of where exactly did the virus come from?

If you have any suggestions for the source of this virus that you feel aren't "conspiracy theories," then please share them.

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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt. 5

Unread postby shortonoil » Thu 04 Jun 2020, 07:28:39

But there is no guarantee that future mutations will make the virus less deadly.


A virus does not succeed by killing its hosts, it succeeds by infecting more of them. The common cold, which is one of four corona virus, is a case in point.

The Kung Flu hoax is not a killer pathogen, it is a tool being used to slow total ecological collapse. Which, by the way, would be far, far worse than any pandemic humans have ever witnessed.
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt. 5

Unread postby dissident » Thu 04 Jun 2020, 11:39:41

jedrider wrote:I posted on the Coronavirus thread how Chinese officials, it seems, knew about this virus on November 1st, 2019. A laboratory origin would not surprise me in the least.

Of course, Trump had fired CDC scientists stationed in China who could have pre-warned us about this Coronavirus.

Two dictatorial regimes, and we're caught in the middle.


This is your smoking gun, is it. Wow, what a low threshold. Not only Chinese officials were aware of a new virus doing the rounds back in the November. The question you and the rest of you sanctimonious always victims is what were your leaders on all levels doing. They were ignoring this virus all the way through February pooh pooh it as just another flu and telling you to go hug a Chinese and party in China town.
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt. 5

Unread postby shortonoil » Thu 04 Jun 2020, 12:13:47

They were ignoring this virus all the way through February pooh pooh it as just another flu and telling you to go hug a Chinese and party in China town.


They have been ignoring viruses since the Spanish flu stuck 100 years ago. The flu is not much to get exited about, unless you catch it. Most people then go home, and romance a Kleenex box for a few days. This one has taken on super hyperbolic dimensions. Leaders all over the world have destroyed their nation's economies, and probably their political careers to combat a pandemic that doesn't rate in the 1% category of the last century's afflictions. One would think that the future of the entire human race was at stake. If they did they would be correct.

Ecological deterioration has gone from a decline to an avalanche. The insects aren't even surviving it.
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt. 5

Unread postby diemos » Thu 04 Jun 2020, 12:40:35

shortonoil wrote:The flu is not much to get exited about, unless you catch it. Most people then go home, and romance a Kleenex box for a few days.


If we had done nothing, 2 - 3 million dead. With the lockdowns we limited that to 100,000 so far.
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt. 5

Unread postby jedrider » Thu 04 Jun 2020, 17:23:25

dissident wrote:This is your smoking gun, is it. Wow, what a low threshold. Not only Chinese officials were aware of a new virus doing the rounds back in the November. The question you and the rest of you sanctimonious always victims is what were your leaders on all levels doing. They were ignoring this virus all the way through February pooh pooh it as just another flu and telling you to go hug a Chinese and party in China town.


Yes! The Chinese knew it was serious, but stonewalled the WHO. Our government knew it was serious, but sold stocks instead. I'm not sure whether you are half agreeing with me or not, actually.
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt. 5

Unread postby C8 » Fri 05 Jun 2020, 01:03:38

Plantagenet wrote:
C8 wrote:We now return you to our regularly scheduled program: conspiracy theories.


The science of epidemiology is not a "conspiracy theory." :)

In dealing with disease outbreaks and global pandemics it is important to identify the source of the outbreak.


Ah, I should have clarified. I do not think a conspiracy theory is a negative connotation Plant. In fact, I have found that most of what the pundits say is unplanned and random has been a smokescreen. I believe that every major event in history has a random beginning followed by massive planning around this random event to maximize its value.

The random event is 1% of history. The massive planning (which IS a conspiracy by definition) is the 99% of history

Let me give you some examples:

WW1 Assassination 1%, alliances, media support, bankers, etc. push to war: 99%
Kennedy assassination 1%, election plan, great society, etc 99%
9/11 airplanes 1%, elections, media support, wall street, etc. push to war: 99%
wuhan lab accident 1%, media sensationalizing, economic shutdown, massive stimulus bills, election 99%
Police incident 1%, massive riots, protests, elections, de-funding police, leftist takeover 99%

Every big historical change has a kernel of unplanned chance in it- but that kernel is quickly enveloped by massive joint planning to exploit the event- a conspiracy

Many people have a limited idea of what a conspiracy is. They see it as planned by a secret small group before the event happens. But, in the real world, this rarely ever happens. In the real world, groups openly bounce ideas off each other and rapidly evolve a strategy to manipulate an event to their advantage. But this is still the definition of a conspiracy!!! People are working together to make something that is being continuously planned seem natural, unplanned and totally random.

I am very much hoping you and other determine how far back this Wuhan event went and when it stopped being an accident and became a strategy- because this is the 99% of history.

Look at all the international riots over the Minnesota incident. Does this make any sense? Do you really think people in France, Greece, England care about Minnesota? It only makes sense as a part of a world wide coordinated effort to increase socialist power. The left specializes in worldwide revolutions. The world protests only make sense as part of a conspiracy theory.

My apologies for the impression I created. And I hope YOU take conspiracy theories more seriously!
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt. 5

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 05 Jun 2020, 04:15:46

C8 wrote:
New coronavirus losing potency, top Italian doctor says

ROME, May 31 (Reuters) - The new coronavirus is losing its potency and has become much less lethal, a senior Italian doctor said on Sunday.


Good news, IF true. The jury is apparently still out, re medical websites with this theory disputed story:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020060 ... s-disputed

This happens quite often BTW. Some of the virus mutates into a less deadly form.

From what I've read in articles related to virology re comments from medical experts, unlike in the movies, viruses do generally trend toward less deadly forms over time in the real world. That's the good news. For human coronaviruses, which are generally quite stable, that process could take many moons, which is of course, the bad news.

Hopefully as the global medical community investigates this theory by looking at lots of swabs from lots of patients in many places, we'll get meaningful information on this, but it will take time.
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt. 5

Unread postby diemos » Fri 05 Jun 2020, 10:18:11

C8 wrote:Look at all the international riots over the Minnesota incident. Does this make any sense?


Humans love an excuse to feel self-righteous while smashing shit.
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt. 5

Unread postby shortonoil » Fri 05 Jun 2020, 12:31:16

ROME, May 31 (Reuters) - The new coronavirus is losing its potency and has become much less lethal, a senior Italian doctor said on Sunday.


At CDC's rating of 0.26% it wasn't very lethal to begin with. With 6 million cases, for a pandemic, it didn't even show up. It constituted less than 1% of the cases of the major pandemics of the last century. In six months this will be COVID-19; who? This will go down in history with the Space Herpes epidemic.
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt. 5

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 05 Jun 2020, 16:12:15

diemos wrote:
C8 wrote:Look at all the international riots over the Minnesota incident. Does this make any sense?


Humans love an excuse to feel self-righteous while smashing shit.

Really? At some point I grew out of behaving like an 8 year old, or even a 12 year old.
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt. 5

Unread postby JuanP » Fri 05 Jun 2020, 21:26:27

Outcast_Searcher wrote:
diemos wrote:
C8 wrote:Look at all the international riots over the Minnesota incident. Does this make any sense?


Humans love an excuse to feel self-righteous while smashing shit.

Really? At some point I grew out of behaving like an 8 year old, or even a 12 year old.


Maybe you did, OS, but not everybody does.
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt. 5

Unread postby shortonoil » Sat 06 Jun 2020, 09:20:09

Maybe you did, OS, but not everybody does.


This type of reaction is to be expected when people get scared, and there is plenty enough for them to be scared about. People are protesting because they can see their world falling apart in front of their eyes. If Floyd hadn't come along, something else would have. People are responding to fear, and there is nothing rational about that kind of response. For those who have been denying all along what was inevitable their cognitive dissonance will be making them completely unable to handle the crisis. We have been running on a steady diet of fairy tales, half truths, and distortions for too long. Now we pay the price. There will be many more cities burning before the flames subside, and reality returns.
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt. 5

Unread postby REAL Green » Mon 15 Jun 2020, 11:00:52

Chinese Scientist, Escorted Out Of Canadian Biolab, Sent Deadly Viruses To Wuhan
Mon, 06/15/2020 - 08:42
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... uses-wuhan

"We have a researcher who was removed by the RCMP from the highest security laboratory that Canada has for reasons that government is unwilling to disclose. The intelligence remains secret. But what we know is that before she was removed, she sent one of the deadliest viruses on Earth, and multiple varieties of it to maximize the genetic diversity and maximize what experimenters in China could do with it, to a laboratory in China that does dangerous gain of function experiments. And that has links to the Chinese military." -Amir Attaran"

"A Chinese scientist who was escorted out of Canada's only level-4 biolab over a possible "policy breach" shipped dealdy Ebola and Henipah viruses to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, according to the CBC, citing newly-released documents. The shipment is not related to COVID-19 or the pandemic. Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, her husband Keding Cheng and her Chinese students were removed from the Canadian lab after the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) asked the RCMP to investigate several months earlier. According to PHAC, Qiu's eviction from the lab is not connected to the shipment."
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt. 5

Unread postby BrianC » Mon 24 May 2021, 13:56:49

Intelligence on Sick Staff at Wuhan Lab Fuels Debate on Covid-19 Origin (wsj.com) 116
Posted by msmash on Monday May 24, 2021 @10:24AM from the closer-look dept.
Three researchers from China's Wuhan Institute of Virology became sick enough in November 2019 that they sought hospital care, according to a previously undisclosed U.S. intelligence report that could add weight to growing calls for a fuller probe of whether the Covid-19 virus may have escaped from the laboratory. WSJ:
The details of the reporting go beyond a State Department fact sheet, issued during the final days of the Trump administration, which said that several researchers at the lab, a center for the study of coronaviruses and other pathogens, became sick in autumn 2019 "with symptoms consistent with both Covid-19 and common seasonal illness."

The disclosure of the number of researchers, the timing of their illnesses and their hospital visits come on the eve of a meeting of the World Health Organization's decision-making body, which is expected to discuss the next phase of an investigation into Covid-19's origins. Current and former officials familiar with the intelligence about the lab researchers expressed differing views about the strength of the supporting evidence for the assessment. One person said that it was provided by an international partner and was potentially significant but still in need of further investigation and additional corroboration.
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