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THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 11

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 14 Dec 2020, 10:45:09

Meanwhile good old fashioned ICE cars burn as well.
(CNN)Kia is recalling about 295,000 vehicles in the US because their engines are at risk of catching fire while driving.
The affected models include some 2012-2013 Sorento, 2012-2015 Forte and Forte Koup, 2011-2013 Optima Hybrid, 2014-2015 Soul, and 2012 Sportage vehicles.
Kia Motors America will alert owners of the affected models about the issue, while dealers will make necessary inspections and repairs for free, the company said. It is also developing a Knock Sensor Detection System software update.
Owners can contact Kia customer service or the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Vehicle Safety Hotline with concerns.
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The recall is expected to start on January 27, 2021.
Kia said it was recalling the vehicles "as a preventative measure to mitigate any unreasonable fire risk due to potential fuel leaking, oil leaking and/or engine damage," according to a report from US auto regulators.
Though a small percentage of models being recalled have experienced engine fires, the fires haven't been traced back to a manufacturing or design defect, according to the report.
The recall comes about a week after the Korean automaker and its parent company Hyundai Motor America were fined by the US government for a safety issue involving its Theta II engines.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration determined that Hyundai and Kia took too long to recall more than 1.6 million vehicles that were fitted with the engines, and that they inaccurately reported information about the recalls to the agency.
Hyundai Motor America and Kia Motors America agreed to consent orders with the agency in November and will pay a combined total of $210 million.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 10

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 14 Dec 2020, 18:41:52

vtsnowedin wrote:....good old fashioned ICE cars burn as well.


Exactly right.

And the frequency of fires in ICE vehicles and EVs are both relatively low.

However, fires in EVs pose some special risks that don't exist with fires in ICE vehicles, which mainly occur due to fuel leaks that catch on fire while the engine is running.

In contrast, spontaneous combustion of EV batteries can occur when the car isn't even turned on. They can occur when the car is parked and charging, or even when the car is in the garage for the night....the fires in EVs can occur at the most inconvenient times.

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Thats why recalls of EVs often include warnings to never park the EV in a garage built into a house, and, if possible, don't even park it near the house. If the EV spontaneously erupts into flame while parked in the garage, the fire can not only destroy the EV---it can start a fire in the garage that will result in the entire house burning down.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 10

Unread postby JuanP » Tue 15 Dec 2020, 22:23:02

Battery recycling booms as the EV revolution kicks into high gear"
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-Gene ... -Gear.html

"The rising popularity of electric vehicles (EVs) is often praised as the road to helping the world to reduce emissions. Yet, the advocates of the electric-car future often ignore some facts about the supply chain of the ongoing EV revolution. Key battery metals often come from unsustainable and ethically-compromised sources, while vehicle batteries often end up as waste somewhere at the end of their lifecycle. As EVs sales have grown in recent years, so have the number of companies working to recycle the spent EV batteries to extract the valuable critical minerals and to introduce a kind of a circular supply chain in the EV manufacturing industry which boasts low-emission low-environmental impacts"

To make EVs more environmentally friendly and sustainable recycling their batteries is essential.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 10

Unread postby REAL Green » Wed 16 Dec 2020, 06:40:09

“Regenerative Braking vs. Coasting: Volkswagen ID.4 Gets It Right”
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/12/15/re ... -it-right/

“It’s a difficult question: what should happen when drivers of electric vehicles take their foot off the right-hand pedal to initiate a thrust phase?,” the company said in its press release. “Should the electric drive motor act as an generator, converting kinetic energy into electrical energy or should it run without generating electrical energy, so that the vehicle’s momentum is used for coasting?”… Regenerative braking does all this in reverse. The car’s kinetic energy becomes mechanical energy, turning the motor/generator. The motor/generator turns the mechanical energy into electricity. The electricity then goes back into your battery pack. At each of those steps, some energy gets lost to heat. In the end, only about 60% of the energy that left the battery pack actually survives the round trip. Coasting works because your car is always fighting resistance to keep moving. Your car has to push itself through the air. There’s rolling resistance between the tires and the road. The wheel bearings are also constantly trying to slow the car down a bit. All that adds up, and will slowly bring your car to a stop if you quit adding energy from the motor. It turns out that this is the most efficient way to bring the car to a stop (when possible) because you let off on the accelerator pedal sooner. Instead of wasting energy to keep going and then using brakes, you keep the energy in your battery pack more. By skipping the conversion losses, you maximize your range. Volkswagen knows that you can’t always coast up to a stop, so the car does give you options. In “D” mode, releasing the accelerator lets the vehicle mostly coast. If something makes you have to stop quicker, you’ll still get regenerative braking when you press the brake pedal, and extra braking will come from the normal disc brakes when you press the pedal harder. Whenever possible, you can coast to max out your range. Drivers also have the option of using “B” mode, and that mode gives heavier regen. If you want some limited “one pedal driving” around town, or you want to be able to go down a steep hill without wearing out your brakes, B mode gives you that option.”
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 10

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Wed 16 Dec 2020, 07:23:03

I expect EVs in the near future will have enough AI in them to know the route you are taking including grades and stop sign locations and will maximize regeneration without the driver needing to switch between modes or pedals to accomplish a smooth efficient trip.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 10

Unread postby JuanP » Thu 17 Dec 2020, 19:43:57

"China's electric vehicle sales to reach more than 1.3 million units in 2020"
https://www.spglobal.com/platts/en/mark ... -2020-caam
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 10

Unread postby REAL Green » Thu 17 Dec 2020, 20:02:10

“Canoo Electric Multi-Purpose Delivery Vehicle Starts At $33,000, Offers Best In Class TCO”
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/12/17/ca ... class-tco/

“Canoo, the newest Southern California electric vehicle manufacturer, has developed a modular electric vehicle platform that can serve as the basis for a number of vehicles. We featured their innovative people mover after Jay Leno drove one earlier this year. Taking innovation a step further, Canoo says it will be offered to the public on a subscription basis. The company says any number of vehicle bodies — it calls them “top hats” — can be placed on top of its electric skateboard. Today it revealed two versions of what it calls its electric multi-purpose delivery vehicles, one with a low roof that can fit into most parking garages and the other with 6.5 feet of headroom to make it easy for delivery drivers to move around inside. A larger Class 3 truck delivery van is under development as well. The starting price for the MPDV is $33,000 and the company says the combination of low initial price, low EV maintenance costs, and greater productivity made possible by its innovative interior design means the MPDV will offer customers the lowest total cost of ownership of any vehicle in its class. The company estimates its electric vans can generate between a $50,000 and $80,000 increase in a customer’s return on investment compared to other top selling delivery vehicles, depending on how they are used in actual operation.”
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 10

Unread postby JuanP » Thu 17 Dec 2020, 20:35:03

"Toyota introduces second generation Mirai fuel cell electric vehicle ..."
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/1 ... mirai.html

"For 2021, Toyota has fully rebooted the Mirai, originally offered in 2016, as a premium rear-wheel drive sports-luxury fuel cell electric vehicle (FCEV) with striking design, cutting-edge technology, more engaging driving performance and a significantly longer EPA-estimated range rating."
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 10

Unread postby REAL Green » Fri 18 Dec 2020, 06:26:04

“FIAT 500e Lands in Hot French EV Market — 15% Share!”
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/12/16/fi ... -15-share/

“While the overall automotive market has seen its blues highlighted by the recent Covid resurgence (down 27% in November), plugin vehicle sales continued to be steaming hot (+204%), with plugin hybrids (PHEVs) growing faster than full electrics (up 291%, to 9,144 units). That figure has allowed PHEVs to have a 49% share among all plugin vehicles, another impressive result in this traditionally BEV-friendly market. It is also well above the 40% share PHEVs have in the year overall. These disruptive numbers are also reflected in the plugin share, as last month it reached 15% (8% BEV), pulling the year-to-date (YTD) share to 10% (6.2% BEV), a far cry from the 3.1% from 12 months ago. Interestingly, the market disruption is also benefiting conventional hybrids (HEVs), as they reached 12% share last month, well above the 5% of last year. So, we had 27% of total sales coming from electrified models in November, a new high. Meanwhile, petrol lost 14 percentage points in 12 months, from the 56% of November ’19 to the current 42%, while diesel lost just 3% share, to the current 31%.”
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 10

Unread postby JuanP » Fri 18 Dec 2020, 09:01:21

"Biden's expected Energy Department pick, Granholm, could lead charge on electric cars"
https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-bid ... SKBN28R0JO

"When Jennifer Granholm was governor of auto-manufacturing Michigan, she led a charge that secured a whopping $1.35 billion in federal funding for companies to make electric cars and batteries in her state."
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 10

Unread postby REAL Green » Fri 18 Dec 2020, 09:41:48

“Shell, Volvo and Daimler Back Hydrogen as Europe Sets Its Sights on Truck Emissions”
https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles ... -emissions

“With the EV market doing well, industry and policymakers look to hydrogen to fuel trucks and freight vehicles…Electrification and hydrogen are both on the table. Germany has an electric highway pilot with overhead cables for trucks to hook on to. Volvo released an all-electric lineup last month that will go into production next year….The H2Accelerate program, which also includes Austrian oil and gas firm OMV, Daimler, Volvo and Iveco, will seek to synchronize investments in early-stage hydrogen truck and fueling infrastructure to enable the 2020s to become a “decade long scale-up.”… Be it electrification, batteries, hydrogen or shifting freight to the rails, Europe is pursuing multiple routes to decarbonizing heavy road transport. These strategies raise some questions about the long-term fortunes of synthetic fuels and biofuels. Martin Lundstedt, president and CEO of the Volvo Group, further highlighted the preference for hydrogen and electric solutions. "In the future, the world will be powered by a combination of battery-electric and fuel-cell electric vehicles, along with other renewable fuels to some extent," he said in a statement.”
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 10

Unread postby JuanP » Fri 18 Dec 2020, 11:54:53

"Falling battery costs to help EV prices match ICE vehicles in 2023"
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News ... -2023.html

"Electric vehicles (EVs) are set to erase the current price advantage of conventional cars when battery pack prices drop to $100 per kilowatt-hour in 2023, BNEF’s new 2020 Battery Price Survey showed on Wednesday. Average battery prices below $100/kWh are widely considered as the tipping point for mass EV adoption."
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 11

Unread postby REAL Green » Sat 19 Dec 2020, 06:58:49

“30% Plugin Vehicle Market Share in the Netherlands!”
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/12/19/30 ... therlands/

“Plugin vehicle (PEV) market share jumped to 30% — 23% fully electric (BEV) — in November, pulling the 2020 plugin share to 18% (14% BEV). This time, plugin hybrids (PHEVs) were the main driver of growth, jumping 450% year over year (YoY), to 2,350 registrations, the category’s best result in this market since December 2016 — when it was still benefiting from significant incentives. Still, the BEV/PHEV technology sales split remained at 75% BEV, 25% PHEV, which together with the current unit growth shows healthy behavior on its way to become the second best EV market — after Norway, where BEVs are the new normal.”
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 10

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 19 Dec 2020, 16:22:21

REAL Green wrote:“Shell, Volvo and Daimler Back Hydrogen as Europe Sets Its Sights on Truck Emissions”
https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles ... -emissions

“With the EV market doing well, industry and policymakers look to hydrogen to fuel trucks and freight vehicles…Electrification and hydrogen are both on the table. Germany has an electric highway pilot with overhead cables for trucks to hook on to. Volvo released an all-electric lineup last month that will go into production next year….The H2Accelerate program, which also includes Austrian oil and gas firm OMV, Daimler, Volvo and Iveco, will seek to synchronize investments in early-stage hydrogen truck and fueling infrastructure to enable the 2020s to become a “decade long scale-up.”… Be it electrification, batteries, hydrogen or shifting freight to the rails, Europe is pursuing multiple routes to decarbonizing heavy road transport. These strategies raise some questions about the long-term fortunes of synthetic fuels and biofuels. Martin Lundstedt, president and CEO of the Volvo Group, further highlighted the preference for hydrogen and electric solutions. "In the future, the world will be powered by a combination of battery-electric and fuel-cell electric vehicles, along with other renewable fuels to some extent," he said in a statement.”


Unfortunately the Obama administration zeroed out federal research for hydrogen fuel cells in the US, so the US is now 10 years behind Europe and Japan in commercializing hydrogen fuel cells.

Hopefully the Biden administration will reverse this idiotic policy decision by the Obama administration and pay some attention to the great promise of hydrogen.....but its more likely they will continue to ignore hydrogen fuel cells in favor of BEVs since Biden is mainly appointing warmed over Obama people to his own administration.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 11

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 28 Dec 2020, 17:42:02

Here's an interesting first-person account by someone who was driving a Tesla Model S when it underwent spontaneous combustion and exploded into flames

Tesla-Model-S-erupted-like-a-flamethrower

According to this person he was driving down the highway when the Tesla gave off a series of loud bangs and then exploded into flames.

This suggests the bangs were some kind of warning or signal that the battery was about to explode. Perhaps a little part of the battery failed and exploded at first and then in a kind of chain reaction the bigger bangs were the result of bigger and bigger explosions, until finally the whole battery was involved. But the good news is that the EVs seems to give a warning before they blow----so If people hear their EV go...."bang BANG BANG" they should be concerned because it may mean the car is about to explode.

This suggests that one way to make EVs safer would be to mandate that they be sold with a warning label that would be placed along the top of the windshield. The warning label should say something like "WARNING....THIS CAR MAY EXPLODE. IF YOU HEAR A SERIES OF LOUD BANGS PULL OVER IMMEDIATELY AND EXIT THE CAR. DO NOT DELAY. EXIT CAR IMMEDIATELY. WARNING.....THIS CAR MAY EXPLODE."

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 11

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 01 Jan 2021, 13:48:37

At last.....some good news on the EV battery spontaneous combustion issue.

There is a new startup that says it can make SOLID STATE EV batteries.

And these SOLID STATE EV batteries would be much safer then the current lithium batteries used by Tesla and other EV manufacturers.

A little company called QUANTUMSCAPE says they can make solid state EV batteries.

quantumscapes-solid-state-battery-

If it pans out, the solid state battery will instantly make all current EV lithium battery systems and all current EV cars obsolete.

QUANTUMSCAPE could wind up being bigger then TESLA.........or not.

There is a heck of a lot of potential there.......now we'll have to see if the QUANTUMSCAPE solid state battery becomes widely accepted and a new generation of safer EVs can be produced.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 11

Unread postby JuanP » Sat 02 Jan 2021, 22:11:01

"Tesla's new China made Model Y surprises market with cheaper prices"
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202101/1211597.shtml

"Tesla on Friday released its long-anticipated, made-in-China Model Y series in the Chinese market, at a price much lower than Tesla's official Chinese website had said it would cost.

According to Tesla's website, there are two versions of the Model Y series. One is a performance version and the other is a long-range version. The two versions range in price from 339,900 yuan ($52,028) to 369,900 yuan.

The performance version had been previously expected to cost 535,000 yuan while the long-range version was to cost 488,000 yuan, according to sina.com."
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 11

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 02 Jan 2021, 22:54:59

JuanP wrote:"Tesla's new China made Model Y surprises market with cheaper prices"
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202101/1211597.shtml

"Tesla on Friday released its long-anticipated, made-in-China Model Y series in the Chinese market, at a price much lower than Tesla's official Chinese website had said it would cost.

According to Tesla's website, there are two versions of the Model Y series. One is a performance version and the other is a long-range version. The two versions range in price from 339,900 yuan ($52,028) to 369,900 yuan.

The performance version had been previously expected to cost 535,000 yuan while the long-range version was to cost 488,000 yuan, according to sina.com."


Sometimes a manufacturer cuts the price of its product because the demand is soft......sometimes they cut the price because sales are so strong they can stand to make a little less profit on each individual unit because the total volume of sales is large.

When it comes to TESLA in CHINA it looks like sales are going to be excellent......Musk is saying the demand for Teslas is very strong in China

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The demand for Teslas from China is so strong that Musk is cutting the price because the sales volume in China is projected to be H U G E.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 11

Unread postby JuanP » Mon 18 Jan 2021, 20:33:43

"Tesla starts delivering made in China Model Ys, increases investment in the mainland"
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202101/1213170.shtml

"Tesla also revealed that it would accelerate investment in the mainland market. For example, it plans to invest 42 million yuan ($6.5 million) to set up a factory that will research and make superchargers. The factory will start production in the first quarter of 2021, and the goal is to produce 10,000 superchargers annually in the initial stage of operation, according to a statement released."
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